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by **dam** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:03 am

Ace Ventura wrote:dam, Cisse is not good with his head at all mate.
I dont recall him scoring a header at all for us.

Also Josip is not a gentleman at all, he started slagging off english players who were wrongly accused of rape for no reason. That is not the type of gentleman i want to speak with....even on an internet forum

The price you are quoting better not be right, as it is rumoured clubs in england were offering double that, and that the deal is nearer 8-9 million (english pounds)

for cissé: he scored 14 goals for OM of which the half with his head. he made a big self-improvement. big detente and big accuracy. I was the first surprised but he is.

for the price, it may be nothing for english clubs with new TV rights but for a french club, it is enormous. furthermore, I am sure that liverpool contact the others clubs to surpass the price. cissé always said that he wanted to play champions league. no other club playing CL made an offer for cissé. so, in definitive, liverpool had only one offer : marseille's one. As you didn't want him anymore and he became a financial weight for LFC, that's logical to see the price brocken

for Josip, I don't think you understood him. He made a small joke (i understand like it) about the behaviour of some english who had some problems after a night in the pub (small ou big problems) like lee bowyer (he was not alone in leeds) some else I can't remember the name (terry? lampard? i don't remember).

then tou were here to explain him that the EPL is better than the french one. of course it is. look at the players and the results in europe.

But... it started from the fact that somebody told josip that in france, there are more spaces and time to play, what is completely wrong and show a very bad knowledge of our league. in L1 (french league), there are not a lot of goals (unfortunately) and for good reasons : poor quality of offensive players, ok but a global defensive strategy from the managers too. teams occupy very well the field, it's very tactical and physical. notably when you're Marseille and you have to dominate and controle the ball. there are really few spaces.

that's all.

after that, french people are stinky frogs, english are rosebeefs. that's the fun :;):

by **nadalbg** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:07 am

by **woof woof !** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:01 pm

dam wrote:after that, french people are stinky frogs, english are rosebeefs. that's the fun

Fair comment .

A lot of people are moaning about how much we're getting for Cisse on the one hand and proclaiming how sh'it he is on the other. You can't have it both ways .

Cisse never demanded that Liverpool pay an over the top price for him

Cisse never demanded a move from Liverpool

Cisse owes Liverpool as much as they owe him (f'uck all)

Cisse was never worth £14 million pounds in the first place , that was just certain parties throwing money around like confetti (much of it I suspect ending up in their own bank accounts) . Rafa made it clear that Cisse has no future at Liverpool , Cisse has made it clear that he wants to return to France rather than go to West Ham , who can blame him ?.
:laugh:

He's gone , get over it .

I for one wish him well
End of story.

by **Penguins** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:18 pm

A french newspaper "La Provence" report this which seems very likely:

The transfer amount is about 8 M€ ( 5.5 M£).
3 M€ this year and 5 in one years time.

And a bonus in case of CL qualification ( 1 or2 M€ i think).

And Bellamy is £7m so that makes it £12.5m and not any £16m

by **dam** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:54 pm

Penguins wrote:A frensh newspaper "La Provence" report this which seems very likely:

The transfer amount is about 8 M€ ( 5.5 M£).
3 M€ this year and 5 in one years time.

And a bonus in case of CL qualification ( 1 or2 M€ i think).

And Bellamy is £7m so that makes it £12.5m and not any £16m

that's exactely what "la provence" (regional daily in Marseille and the whole Provence) wrote.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:11 pm

woof woof ! wrote:A lot of people are moaning about how much we're getting for Cisse on the one hand and proclaiming how sh'it he is on the other. You can't have it both ways .

He's sh!t for us, for what he can do in France, we should be getting more than 8m euros. Considering they have just sold Ribery for £16m then I find it hard to see why they would haggle over such small amounts. I think instead of settling for the Baros type situation again, we should say pay up or he's not going, simple as that.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:13 pm

dam wrote:But... it started from the fact that somebody told josip that in france, there are more spaces and time to play, what is completely wrong and show a very bad knowledge of our league.

If you're telling me that you get more time and space in the Premier League thna you do in Ligue 1 then I will say it's you who has a very bad knowledge of European football, because it is not true.

Josip is a twa,t. Feck him.

by **dam** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:15 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
dam wrote:But... it started from the fact that somebody told josip that in france, there are more spaces and time to play, what is completely wrong and show a very bad knowledge of our league.

If you're telling me that you get more time and space in the Premier League thna you do in Ligue 1 then I will say it's you who has a very bad knowledge of European football, because it is not true.

Josip is a twa,t. Feck him.

in Premier League, there's a big pressure on the man who possess the ball. very agressive defense combined with quite permissive referees. But I am insinstent on the fact that except the major teams (MU, chelsea, LFC, arsenal...) the defenses give more spaces to the forwards than in france.
that's not a blame, it is the direct consequence of a more offensive and non-calculating football. it would be more a chance for you. it's spectacular. but this is how it happens

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:26 pm

dam wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
dam wrote:But... it started from the fact that somebody told josip that in france, there are more spaces and time to play, what is completely wrong and show a very bad knowledge of our league.

If you're telling me that you get more time and space in the Premier League thna you do in Ligue 1 then I will say it's you who has a very bad knowledge of European football, because it is not true.

Josip is a twa,t. Feck him.

in Premier League, there's a big pressure on the man who possess the ball. very agressive defense combined with quite permissive referees. But I am insinstent on the fact that except the major teams (MU, chelsea, LFC, arsenal...) the defenses give more spaces to the forwards than in france.
that's not a blame, it is the direct consequence of a more offensive and non-calculating football. it would be more a chance for you. it's spectacular. but this is how it happens

yes the defences gives soooo much of space

thats why when the smaller teams like blackburn and portsmouth come to anfield they have 10 men behind the ball.

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:03 pm

Bellamy and Cisse both leave and a deal for Benayoun is still possible.

by **dam** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:04 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
dam wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
dam wrote:But... it started from the fact that somebody told josip that in france, there are more spaces and time to play, what is completely wrong and show a very bad knowledge of our league.

If you're telling me that you get more time and space in the Premier League thna you do in Ligue 1 then I will say it's you who has a very bad knowledge of European football, because it is not true.

Josip is a twa,t. Feck him.

in Premier League, there's a big pressure on the man who possess the ball. very agressive defense combined with quite permissive referees. But I am insinstent on the fact that except the major teams (MU, chelsea, LFC, arsenal...) the defenses give more spaces to the forwards than in france.
that's not a blame, it is the direct consequence of a more offensive and non-calculating football. it would be more a chance for you. it's spectacular. but this is how it happens

yes the defences gives soooo much of space

thats why when the smaller teams like blackburn and portsmouth come to anfield they have 10 men behind the ball.

and what about matches between portsmouth and blackburn? do the squads have cold feet? or are they offensive?

the difference of tactic level can be seen on european confrontation between french and english clubs. french clubs create a lot of problems to english ones

MU had difficulties against lille instead the difference of players level is terrific.
marseille-bolton 2006, marseille wins
marseille-newcatle 2004, marseille
marseille-liverpool 2004, marseille :eyebrow

(special thought to houiller)

monaco-chelsea 2004, monaco.

I also remember that liverpool was eliminated by PSG and strasbourg a few years ago.

I don't remember every confrontations and I don't doubt that english won too. but these examples are speaking.
english temas have more money, better players but on the field, there's always difficulties for the british.

by **josip84** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:12 pm

LFC2007 wrote:I think instead of settling for the Baros type situation again, we should say pay up or he's not going, simple as that.

Stop saying "I think". Nobody's asking you to achieve what is out of your reach.

This discussion about Cissé is now irrelevant.
In finalizing Djib's transfer for only £5.5, the least you can say is that Diouf has swept your back chimney in a way that you don't need to undergo a coloscopy before long. You can be sure that after what Diouf did to you, your anal mucous membrane is cleaner than it has ever been.

You've lost the Champions League final. But you obviously have also lost any possible skill in the art of negotiation. And to top it all, you've lost your soul in selling your club to american businessmen who know nothing about football.
In actual fact, you've lost everything.
LFC have become a bunch of losers. From where he is, Bill Shankly must be thinking he should have let you walk alone.

Do you know the difference between a condom and the LFC offices?
Well listen : in a condom there's room for only one *****

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:13 pm

dam wrote:in Premier League, there's a big pressure on the man who possess the ball. very agressive defense combined with quite permissive referees. But I am insinstent on the fact that except the major teams (MU, chelsea, LFC, arsenal...) the defenses give more spaces to the forwards than in france.
that's not a blame, it is the direct consequence of a more offensive and non-calculating football. it would be more a chance for you. it's spectacular. but this is how it happens

It's not true, I've seen plenty of Ligue 1 games and plenty more Premier League games. This is one of the key reasons why Cisse is successful in France and cannot cut it in England, the pressure on the ball is not as intense and as such he has more space to calculate his runs.

Even with the lesser teams in the Premier League you get little space to operate in, why? Because the tempo is so high and the pressure on the ball is so intense. You get no time on the ball, in France you get much more time on the ball than in England.

And yes, the quality of the defending is not as good in Ligue 1 as it is in England. The game has changed over the past 4 years. There is less and less defensive naivity, the tempo is still just as high, but teams are more tactically aware.

by **lakes10** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:18 pm

Cisse completes Marseille switch

Cisse has broken his leg twice in the last three years
Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez has confirmed French striker Djibril Cisse has joined Marseille on a permanent basis for a fee of around £6m.
The 25-year-old spent last season on loan at the Stade Velodrome.

West Ham, Bolton and Portsmouth had also been chasing Cisse, who cost Liverpool £14m in July 2004.

Cisse will link up with former team-mate Boudewijn Zenden in the south of France after the Dutchman moved there on a two-year deal last week.

lol i think it funny that Zenden has gone there....poor club.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:25 pm

josip84 wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:I think instead of settling for the Baros type situation again, we should say pay up or he's not going, simple as that.

Stop saying "I think". Nobody's asking you to achieve what is out of your reach.

This discussion about Cissé is now irrelevant.
In finalizing Djib's transfer for only £5.5, the least you can say is that Diouf has swept your back chimney in a way that you don't need to undergo a coloscopy before long. You can be sure that after Diouf did to you, your anal mucous membrane is cleaner that it has ever been.

You've lost the Champions League final. But you obviously have also lost any possible skill in the art of negotiation. And to top it all, you've lost your soul in selling your club to american businessmen who know nothing about football.
In actual fact, you've lost everything.
LFC have become a bunch of losers. From where he is, Bill Shankly must be thinking he should have let you walk alone.

Do you know the difference between a condom and the LFC offices?
Well listen : in a condom there's room for only one *****

Josip the bitter French fudge packer of a frog is back!

Feck Cisse, forget the football he'll comb his hair into the history books!

As for us being losers :laugh:

Look at Marseille, relegated for MATCH FIXING.

You won the UCL final off the back of the most disgraceful time in French football history.

How many LEGITIMATE European cups have Marseille won?? :laugh:

A big ZERO

8 league titles? In a SH!T league.

We have 18 in the BEST league.

What was the last trophy you won?

The Intertoto Cup!!!!!
:laugh:

We have history, fans, you have nothing.

You are a joke, and your team are not far behind either.

We had Moores, you had Tapie the TWA,T.

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