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by **puroresu** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:24 am

LFC2007 wrote:
josip84 wrote:how can you claim that Djib was rubbish, a terrible player etc., and at the same time claim that on the transfer market he's worth much more than what we're going to pay for him?

....Because we were as thick to pay £14m for him we expect at least a decent price in return, he can cut it in France but in England you need more than blistering pace and a powerful shot. He is not good enough for us, it's nothing to do with us being unable to utilise his ability, he just isn't good enough. When you play for a team like Liverpool you don't get time and space to run with the ball, in France you get that time and space in much more abundance. The defending here is more atute and if you have a poor touch and a lot of pace it becomes easy to disposess the striker. As much as his pace is useful at times, his negatives outweighed his positives.

There are plenty strikers in france with pace and a good shot and believe it or not they aint all scoring 20+ goals a season. Just ask Milan Baros who has struggled to score goals for the best side in France - Lyon. A lot people who no nothing of lique 1 thought he would score for fun in France. Has not happened!!

We are well in our right to ask for a fee and if a club doesnt match that fee then we dont have to sell. However the flip side is we cant tout cisse to other sides who may pay more as Cisse will not go to any other side. We had to take less for Baros as he originally didnt want to go Lyon. If anything the wages cisse gets at Liverpool would probably eclipse the difference in what OM are offering compared to Bolton, Espanyol, West Ham etc.

by **bigmick** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:38 am

puroresu wrote: Just ask Milan Baros who has struggled to score goals for the best side in France - Lyon. A lot people who no nothing of lique 1 thought he would score for fun in France. Has not happened!!

But why would Baros score for fun in France? He isn't a goalscorer. He does the majority of his work down the channels. Anybody who thought he would score for fun was daft. Cisse on the other hand who has a shot every time he gets the ball, will score goals provided the other team lets him get the ball close to their goal by defending way up the pitch, and provided the goalkeepers are flummoxed by a ball which is blasted in their direction often straight at their chest. I can only assume that both conditions are satisfield regularly in France, as indeed they would be in the first division (Championship) in England and therefore Cisse will continue to prosper.

If however any of the teams employ a coach who thinks, "hang on, lets either defend a bit deeper or play a properly drilled offside trap" that would be the end of his rgualr scoring days I'm afraid. Perhaps West Brom and their perpetual presence in the Championship is his vocation after all.

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:43 am

The French league is pooh.

by **puroresu** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:49 am

bigmick wrote:
puroresu wrote: Just ask Milan Baros who has struggled to score goals for the best side in France - Lyon. A lot people who no nothing of lique 1 thought he would score for fun in France. Has not happened!!

But why would Baros score for fun in France? He isn't a goalscorer. He does the majority of his work down the channels. Anybody who thought he would score for fun was daft. Cisse on the other hand who has a shot every time he gets the ball, will score goals provided the other team lets him get the ball close to their goal by defending way up the pitch, and provided the goalkeepers are flummoxed by a ball which is blasted in their direction often straight at their chest. I can only assume that both conditions are satisfield regularly in France, as indeed they would be in the first division (Championship) in England and therefore Cisse will continue to prosper.

If however any of the teams employ a coach who thinks, "hang on, lets either defend a bit deeper or play a properly drilled offside trap" that would be the end of his rgualr scoring days I'm afraid. Perhaps West Brom and their perpetual presence in the Championship is his vocation after all.

It doesnt stop with Baros though. Morientes, Saha, even Anelka at his last spell at PSG didnt score many. I would bet that many would assume Anelka score a hatful in France yet the reality is totally different. Its not easy to score goals in that league.

by **kobashi** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:54 am

bigmick wrote:
puroresu wrote: Just ask Milan Baros who has struggled to score goals for the best side in France - Lyon. A lot people who no nothing of lique 1 thought he would score for fun in France. Has not happened!!

But why would Baros score for fun in France? He isn't a goalscorer. He does the majority of his work down the channels. Anybody who thought he would score for fun was daft. Cisse on the other hand who has a shot every time he gets the ball, will score goals provided the other team lets him get the ball close to their goal by defending way up the pitch, and provided the goalkeepers are flummoxed by a ball which is blasted in their direction often straight at their chest. I can only assume that both conditions are satisfield regularly in France, as indeed they would be in the first division (Championship) in England and therefore Cisse will continue to prosper.

If however any of the teams employ a coach who thinks, "hang on, lets either defend a bit deeper or play a properly drilled offside trap" that would be the end of his rgualr scoring days I'm afraid. Perhaps West Brom and their perpetual presence in the Championship is his vocation after all.

you do know that in france a whole lot of teams defend deep. It seems you don't actually watch the league games.

how about when Djib was at Auxerre. he scored a whole range of goals. like I have said before, he has his faults but the guy scores goals. did you even see his 15 goals scored at OM? he will always score more than kuyt, crouch or bellamy.

Marseille are in the CL this year so the people who have no time for ligue 1 can see what he does then.

by **Ace Ventura** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:55 am

puroresu, your a probably right and the stats of recent top goalscorers in the french league will back you up.
I am just not sure where all of this is going, we all agree that Djibril scores goals, he did for us, its not the goalscoring that was ever the main problem, it was his inability in every other part of the game. For example linking with the midfield, passing accuratly, first touch and awareness.
He is poor in every other capacity and in big games against top sides who can defend he is very unlikely to be a threat.

by **josip84** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:00 am

The funny thing is : you all seem to consider that the standards in your Premiership are a lot higher than in our french Ligue1. Some of you (not all of you) even openly despise whatever is not related to your premiership. Let me tell you A : this is a very conceited and boastful way of seeing soccer matters , and B : in the last 3 seasons, every time Olympique de Marseille have had to encounter British sides in european competitions, WE have qualified : Bolton Wanderers, Newcastle and......LFC never beat us, either at home or away. Poor record for such a highly praised Premiership, isn't it?

by **JC_81** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:00 am

I agree with Bigmick's assessment of Cisse, but seriously, why are we even discussing him?

As far as I'm concerned I said good riddance to the fecker last summer, we knew then he'd never be back in a Liverpool shirt. Marseilles are getting ripped off paying 5 million for him let alone 8. We, on the other hand, got well and truly stroked paying 14 million for the sulky git.

He's a :censored:

footballer who happens to be able to run fast. Let's not forget he's also a classy guy who hit both his wife and a teenage Arsenal fan in separate incidents during his time here too. Tw@t.

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:04 am

josip84 wrote:The funny thing is : you all seem to consider that the standards in your Premiership are a lot higher than in our french Ligue1. Some of you (not all of you) even openly despise whatever is not related to your premiership. Let me tell you A : this is a very conceited and boastful way of seeing soccer matters , and B : in the last 3 seasons, every time Olympique de Marseille have had to encounter British sides in european competitions, WE have qualified : Bolton Wanderers, Newcastle and......LFC never beat us, either at home or away. Poor record for such a highly praised Premiership, isn't it?

Cup games and league matches are totally different.

Didnt Sutton United knock out Coventry some years ago in the F.A cup, same with Wrexhan and Arsenal.

by **puroresu** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:05 am

josip84 wrote:The funny thing is : you all seem to consider that the standards in your Premiership are a lot higher than in our french Ligue1. Some of you (not all of you) even openly despise whatever is not related to your premiership. Let me tell you A : this is a very conceited and boastful way of seeing soccer matters , and B : in the last 3 seasons, every time Olympique de Marseille have had to encounter British sides in european competitions, WE have qualified : Bolton Wanderers, Newcastle and......LFC never beat us, either at home or away. Poor record for such a highly praised Premiership, isn't it?

This is exactly what I say when people at my work diss scottish football all the time. Everytime celtic in the last few years played an english side (including LFC) they beat them yet I am always told celtic are no good and would struggle in england.

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:12 am

puroresu wrote:
josip84 wrote:The funny thing is : you all seem to consider that the standards in your Premiership are a lot higher than in our french Ligue1. Some of you (not all of you) even openly despise whatever is not related to your premiership. Let me tell you A : this is a very conceited and boastful way of seeing soccer matters , and B : in the last 3 seasons, every time Olympique de Marseille have had to encounter British sides in european competitions, WE have qualified : Bolton Wanderers, Newcastle and......LFC never beat us, either at home or away. Poor record for such a highly praised Premiership, isn't it?

This is exactly what I say when people at my work diss scottish football all the time. Everytime celtic in the last few years played an english side (including LFC) they beat them yet I am always told celtic are no good and would struggle in england.

Well I wouldnt agree with the people who "dis" Scottish football concerning Celtic. IMO Celtic would wo quite well in the Premiership.

by **JC_81** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:15 am

josip84 wrote:The funny thing is : you all seem to consider that the standards in your Premiership are a lot higher than in our french Ligue1. Some of you (not all of you) even openly despise whatever is not related to your premiership. Let me tell you A : this is a very conceited and boastful way of seeing soccer matters , and B : in the last 3 seasons, every time Olympique de Marseille have had to encounter British sides in european competitions, WE have qualified : Bolton Wanderers, Newcastle and......LFC never beat us, either at home or away. Poor record for such a highly praised Premiership, isn't it?

When was the last time a French team won the European cup/Champions league?

Were 3 out of 4 of this year's CL semi-finalists from the Premiership?

Tell me that the Premiership is not a higher standard league than the French league at the moment.

by **JC_81** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:21 am

puroresu wrote:
josip84 wrote:The funny thing is : you all seem to consider that the standards in your Premiership are a lot higher than in our french Ligue1. Some of you (not all of you) even openly despise whatever is not related to your premiership. Let me tell you A : this is a very conceited and boastful way of seeing soccer matters , and B : in the last 3 seasons, every time Olympique de Marseille have had to encounter British sides in european competitions, WE have qualified : Bolton Wanderers, Newcastle and......LFC never beat us, either at home or away. Poor record for such a highly praised Premiership, isn't it?

This is exactly what I say when people at my work diss scottish football all the time. Everytime celtic in the last few years played an english side (including LFC) they beat them yet I am always told celtic are no good and would struggle in england.

Celtic would hold their own in the Premiership at the moment, but it would take them a while before they'd actually challenge for it. The tv money from the Premiership, and the greater ability to attract players to the Premiership along with Celtic's great fan base would eventually give them a great chance of being a force. However their current team would reach mid table at best I'm afraid. Same applies for Rangers.

Unfortunately the rest of the SPL teams are garbage and would struggle to hold their own in the Championship imo. I do live in Scotland but don't attend any SPL games any more such is the poor value for money.

by **red_guy** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:21 am

john craig wrote:
josip84 wrote:The funny thing is : you all seem to consider that the standards in your Premiership are a lot higher than in our french Ligue1. Some of you (not all of you) even openly despise whatever is not related to your premiership. Let me tell you A : this is a very conceited and boastful way of seeing soccer matters , and B : in the last 3 seasons, every time Olympique de Marseille have had to encounter British sides in european competitions, WE have qualified : Bolton Wanderers, Newcastle and......LFC never beat us, either at home or away. Poor record for such a highly praised Premiership, isn't it?

When was the last time a French team won the European cup/Champions league?

Were 3 out of 4 of this year's CL semi-finalists from the Premiership?

Tell me that the Premiership is not a higher standard league than the French league at the moment.

Yup, spot on.

by **Ace Ventura** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:24 am

Only an idiot would think the french league and the english are comparable.
That is not being boastful or arrogant, thats fact.
A few one off games mean nothing.
Comparing the clubs against each other its blatantly obvious which league is stronger, and by a wide margin.

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