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by **Bammo** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:47 pm

According to wiki, otsemobor played for rotherham and crewe and has just signed for norwich. (all permanent deals).

Anyone have any info on Guthrie's best position? I've seen him described as a centre mid and left winger. If he plays in the centre he's got a lot of competition

by **JC_81** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:13 pm

Looking at my post a year ago, looks like I was pretty wide of the mark with my prediction of Antwi and Anderson to maybe make the breakthrough. Antwi's just gone on loan to a league 1 side and Anderson seems to have faded slightly after a good first season in the youth set up.

From what I've seen over the past year (which admittedly isn't a huge amount of reserve/youth games), Ajdarevic is a good prospect. I also saw a fair bit of Hammill up here in Scotland and there are whispers that both old firm clubs are considering making loan offers for him - just shows the impact he had in the SPL. However I suspect Ajdarevic still needs another season or 2 before he's ready for the first team and Hammill will probably be loaned out for another season.

I don't see any of our youngsters making the step up this year, except for the odd run out in the Carling cup.

by **destro** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:28 pm

None of them IMO, purely because Rafa will just continue to snap up young players from abroad who will jump straight in front of them in the line to make it to the first team. I really don't see the point in playing your heart out in youth team games hoping to impress when its never going to happen.

Those lads must be made up to pick up the papers and see we have signed yet another foreign youngster to push them further back after all they have done to break into the first team set up.

The best thing these young lads can do is play for their careers,stop getting their hopes up and use the youth games as a stepping stone to go onto play for a another club, sad but true

by **JoeTerp** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:43 pm

Nobody has mentioned Lindfield, the kid just has a knack for poaching goals.

I would only loan out Hammill if we don't bring in a winger, becuase I could see him as cover for Kewell since Gonzalez and Zenden are gone. When I would read .tv's reports of reserve games it seemd that Anderson had his fair share of man of the matches so he might be decent cover behind Pennant and Gerrard on the right. Assuming we don't bring in top quality to start and bump Pennant back.

I think this is a make or break year for Hobbs, who needs to either impress on a loan deal or earn a spot as 4th choice CB after Hyypia.

What the hell has happend to Idrizaj? he isn't even on Austria's u20 world cup team. Haven't heard much of Jordy Bouwer either, but i guess he has only been here about 6 months.

Interesting note about our newest youngster Dani Pacheco, he comes from the same youth team Malaga as Fransico Duran

I know he didn't come through the youth ranks but Insua looks like he could be our cover at left back behind Riise and Aurelio. He is our only player now at the u20 world cup and he starts for Argentina despite being the youngest in the squad.

by **EddieC** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:48 pm

JoeTerp wrote:Nobody has mentioned Lindfield, the kid just has a knack for poaching goals.

I would only loan out Hammill if we don't bring in a winger, becuase I could see him as cover for Kewell since Gonzalez and Zenden are gone. When I would read .tv's reports of reserve games it seemd that Anderson had his fair share of man of the matches so he might be decent cover behind Pennant and Gerrard on the right. Assuming we don't bring in top quality to start and bump Pennant back.

I think this is a make or break year for Hobbs, who needs to either impress on a loan deal or earn a spot as 4th choice CB after Hyypia.

What the hell has happend to Idrizaj? he isn't even on Austria's u20 world cup team. Haven't heard much of Jordy Bouwer either, but i guess he has only been here about 6 months.

Interesting note about our newest youngster Dani Pacheco, he comes from the same youth team Malaga as Fransico Duran

I know he didn't come through the youth ranks but Insua looks like he could be our cover at left back behind Riise and Aurelio. He is our only player now at the u20 world cup and he starts for Argentina despite being the youngest in the squad.

Idrizaj spent the second half of last season on loan to Luton Town. My mates son is in their youth setup & trains with the first team sometimes, he said the lad looks phenominal.

I was thinking the same about Brouwer, he came with a load of hype but haven't heard anything since. Out of the youngsters we've got he's one of the oldest, so we should see him either break through or get sold within a year or two.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:53 pm

Craig Linfield has got to go in. Natural finisher, something we've been crying out for, for years now. Put him in and give him a go, who knows he may be the next Fowler and Owen, both of whom came through our youth system.

by **LFC2007** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:43 pm

I think for the likes of Hobbs, Antwi and Roque this following season could be crucial. Hobbs should IMO either stay and push for the first team, maybe playing in some of the cup games or going on loan to a league 1/2 team where he will get playing time. I don't think Roque will make it, I think he'll continue in the reserves but having seen him a few times I don't think he's good enough.

I think Lindfield is one of our best prospects, this coming season I expect him to push for places in some of the cup games, either that or a loan deal at a league 1/championship club would be ideal.

Ajdarevic looks quality, but he's still very young and needs to mature physically, I'd give him at least another season in the youth team/reserves to develop.

Adam Hammill is another very good prospect, I could see him as being decent cover and used in cup games but not in the league as yet -except maybe as a sub for a home game against weak opposition to gain experience. Either that or a loan to the SPL - to Celtic or Rangers would be great experience.

Idrizaj is on loan at Luton but I have no idea how good a player he is, maybe another loan to a championship club would suit him.

I expect Anderson to stay in the reserves for now and push for a start in the league cup.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:48 pm

I think its pretty obvious we have a great youth system with plenty of players with quality and with Rafa signing even more talented youngsters the future looks bright, but I just don't see too many of them even getting a run in the league cup, I don't think Rafa is keen on the idea of bringing them through, that was one of the main reasons Steve Heighway left his post at our accademy.

by **LFC2007** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:55 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:, I don't think Rafa is keen on the idea of bringing them through

I disagree, if you read the interview with Frank Mcparland he points out that there are problems with Academies and that is why we are having to turn to young foreign talent. Rafa would like to bring through young talent but if the players aren't good enough then you have no choice. I reckon in the coming 2 seasons you will see two or three of our current crop of youngsters making the grade and getting a chance now Rafa has had the opportunity to scout Europe thoroughly for the best.

by **egyptian liverpoolian** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:00 am

the morrocian al-zahar i think he is good right winger

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:23 am

LFC2007 wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:, I don't think Rafa is keen on the idea of bringing them through

I disagree, if you read the interview with Frank Mcparland he points out that there are problems with Academies and that is why we are having to turn to young foreign talent. Rafa would like to bring through young talent but if the players aren't good enough then you have no choice. I reckon in the coming 2 seasons you will see two or three of our current crop of youngsters making the grade and getting a chance now Rafa has had the opportunity to scout Europe thoroughly for the best.

I understand what you're saying and if they were good enough they'd get the chance, like Guthrie and Peltier did last year but they only get the league cup and even then they don't make the final like in 2005. But you don't know if they're good enough until they're given a try against proper opposition for a run of games. I'd like to see Linfield given a run in the prem to see how he does, also Anderson looks promising so put him in now, so in a couple of years the decent player he is now will be a much better player with 2 years of premiership experince rather than a decent player with a further 2 years of reserve and lower league football experince. Hammill did well for Dunfermline last year and even though the SPL is nothing compared to the prem he should get a chance ahead of the clowns we have on our left now. Hobbs/Antwi won't ever make it at Liverpool until Carra has retired or Agger sold and that could be waiting for a further 6-10 years. The pair would be at best good back up and players don't want to be back up for 6 years.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:29 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:, I don't think Rafa is keen on the idea of bringing them through

I disagree, if you read the interview with Frank Mcparland he points out that there are problems with Academies and that is why we are having to turn to young foreign talent. Rafa would like to bring through young talent but if the players aren't good enough then you have no choice. I reckon in the coming 2 seasons you will see two or three of our current crop of youngsters making the grade and getting a chance now Rafa has had the opportunity to scout Europe thoroughly for the best.

I understand what you're saying and if they were good enough they'd get the chance, like Guthrie and Peltier did last year but they only get the league cup and even then they don't make the final like in 2005. But you don't know if they're good enough until they're given a try against proper opposition for a run of games. I'd like to see Linfield given a run in the prem to see how he does, also Anderson looks promising so put him in now, so in a couple of years the decent player he is now will be a much better player with 2 years of premiership experince rather than a decent player with a further 2 years of reserve and lower league football experince. Hammill did well for Dunfermline last year and even though the SPL is nothing compared to the prem he should get a chance ahead of the clowns we have on our left now. Hobbs/Antwi won't ever make it at Liverpool until Carra has retired or Agger sold and that could be waiting for a further 6-10 years. The pair would be at best good back up and players don't want to be back up for 6 years.

But if they're not good enough then you can't risk putting in 19/20 year olds for the sake of giving them experience - especially in the league. I can understand giving them a chance in the cups and maybe the odd home premier league game against poor opposition as a sub but not as a starter for a run of 5-10 games. If our youngsters were anything like as good as Gerrard, Owen, Fowler or Mcmanaman were at their age then they may get more chances but they just aren't coming through at the moment - as good as Lindfield may be he's no Fowler or Owen. You wouldn't see the mancs for example playing Richardson in a run of 10 EPL games for example, he's played a fewgames here or there and it has to be done gradually so they can build their confidence and experience.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:11 am

antwi has gone on loan i think. linfield . . . . unsure if he stands a chance with voronin, crouch, bellamy and kuyt fightin for places.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:18 am

LFC2007 wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:, I don't think Rafa is keen on the idea of bringing them through

I disagree, if you read the interview with Frank Mcparland he points out that there are problems with Academies and that is why we are having to turn to young foreign talent. Rafa would like to bring through young talent but if the players aren't good enough then you have no choice. I reckon in the coming 2 seasons you will see two or three of our current crop of youngsters making the grade and getting a chance now Rafa has had the opportunity to scout Europe thoroughly for the best.

I understand what you're saying and if they were good enough they'd get the chance, like Guthrie and Peltier did last year but they only get the league cup and even then they don't make the final like in 2005. But you don't know if they're good enough until they're given a try against proper opposition for a run of games. I'd like to see Linfield given a run in the prem to see how he does, also Anderson looks promising so put him in now, so in a couple of years the decent player he is now will be a much better player with 2 years of premiership experince rather than a decent player with a further 2 years of reserve and lower league football experince. Hammill did well for Dunfermline last year and even though the SPL is nothing compared to the prem he should get a chance ahead of the clowns we have on our left now. Hobbs/Antwi won't ever make it at Liverpool until Carra has retired or Agger sold and that could be waiting for a further 6-10 years. The pair would be at best good back up and players don't want to be back up for 6 years.

But if they're not good enough then you can't risk putting in 19/20 year olds for the sake of giving them experience - especially in the league. I can understand giving them a chance in the cups and maybe the odd home premier league game against poor opposition as a sub but not as a starter for a run of 5-10 games. If our youngsters were anything like as good as Gerrard, Owen, Fowler or Mcmanaman were at their age then they may get more chances but they just aren't coming through at the moment - as good as Lindfield may be he's no Fowler or Owen. You wouldn't see the mancs for example playing Richardson in a run of 10 EPL games for example, he's played a fewgames here or there and it has to be done gradually so they can build their confidence and experience.

Sammy Lee was never the most gifted footballer but he was given the chance and ended up aiding us to European Cup victories. He played out of his skin in the 84 game when he marked Franco out of the game and he came out of our youth set up, I think they just need to be given a proper go and if that means the League Cup then so be it, but at least bring one or two into the league set up as well as this year, mabe not as regulars but certainly as back up. From what I've seen I'd rather have Linfield as back up than Voronin/Bellamy although Bellamy is doubtful to be at Anfield next year. Paletta has been out of his depth when he has played even in the League Cup so I'd rather see Jack Hobbs as our emergancy centre half cover, obviously we still have Sami as cover for Carra and the best centre half in the world Danny Agger. Anderson has looked quality for a few years now and if Pennant doesn't start well on the right I'd prefer he went out on to the right ahead of moving Gerrard out there. Hammill was brilliant last season for Dunfirmline and again he should be making the step up because if we get injuries to Riise or Mr Fully Fit Harry Kewell, now Garcia and Zenden have gone we're pretty short of options for left wing, so Hammill could be easily given the chance.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 1:27 am

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Sammy Lee was never the most gifted footballer but he was given the chance and ended up aiding us to European Cup victories. He played out of his skin in the 84 game when he marked Franco out of the game and he came out of our youth set up, I think they just need to be given a proper go and if that means the League Cup then so be it, but at least bring one or two into the league set up as well as this year, mabe not as regulars but certainly as back up. From what I've seen I'd rather have Linfield as back up than Voronin/Bellamy although Bellamy is doubtful to be at Anfield next year. Paletta has been out of his depth when he has played even in the League Cup so I'd rather see Jack Hobbs as our emergancy centre half cover, obviously we still have Sami as cover for Carra and the best centre half in the world Danny Agger. Anderson has looked quality for a few years now and if Pennant doesn't start well on the right I'd prefer he went out on to the right ahead of moving Gerrard out there. Hammill was brilliant last season for Dunfirmline and again he should be making the step up because if we get injuries to Riise or Mr Fully Fit Harry Kewell, now Garcia and Zenden have gone we're pretty short of options for left wing, so Hammill could be easily given the chance.

Well If they're good enough they'll get the chance, the current crop are not as good as past generations and the standard within the league is always improving. We can't afford to lose ground in the EPL, especially in this coming season. I'd rather see the likes of Lindfield and Hobbs being given opportunities in the league cup and maybe the FA cup/UCL if the games are against lesser opposition or we're already qualified from the group stage. In the league you need a squad of players with quality cover in each position, but if they're not good enough they're not good enough. Rafa will be well aware of which players are good enough and which players need more time, or which players need to be loaned out. I'd rather see the likes of Anderson, Hobbs or Lindfield loaned out to Championship or Premiership clubs than play the odd league cup game for us - because the risk is too high. If they had the talent that Owen or Fowler had at the same age then I've no doubt they'd figure at least on the bench on a regular basis.

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