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by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:30 pm

redtrader74 wrote:These are not home grown terrorists, they are born, raised and live in the main, in areas densely populated with Muslims. They live in a totally alien way of life to rest of us, speaking predominatly urdu etc. Watching channels on sattelite from their parents country, and educated in Islam from mullahs who generally come from abroad, nothing home grown there.

You say they're not homegrown terrorists then give a definition of what a homegrown terrorist is

Homegrown as in, born and raised in Britain, not as in, their parents are teaching them to be terrorists at home!

by **redtrader74** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:37 pm

Garcia10 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
Garcia10 wrote:No the US are the biggest terrorists.

Keep telling yourself that son but in the meantime go and support Everton.
Cheers

What has Liverpool Fc got to do with this? My views are not extreme it's the plain truth. If US didn't interfere and force their views on people who dare live differently to them then this hate wouldn't exist. If the US didn't go into countries gun-ho and murder anyone and everyone in the name of "democracy" then terrorism wouldn't exist.

What is happening today is what happened with the Irish. The Irish were fed up of being enslaved by the English and fought back.

I don't agree with terrorism and attacking innocent people is sick. The US army dropping bombs on innocent Iraqi's is no different then these extremists planting bombs in Airports. The Army hides behind a badge, these reactionaries and radicals hide behind Islam.

The army, US or UK is fighting with one arm tied behind it back, everything they do is monitored and scrutinised, these wankers are killing intentionally, the armed forces go out of their way to avoid killing civilians. The Police here get crucified if they ever get it wrong, like Forest Gate, London, yet they are doing their best.

You are a fool to believe that US foreign policy change would stop this terrorism, they won't stop, they will find another excuse, eg Arab countries can't do business with the infidels, or MTV is corrupting our youth, lets bomb them. Or they don't give us Uranium to build Nukes, lets kill them.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:38 pm

Garcia10 wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
Garcia10 wrote:No the US are the biggest terrorists.

Keep telling yourself that son but in the meantime go and support Everton.
Cheers

What has Liverpool Fc got to do with this? My views are not extreme it's the plain truth. If US didn't interfere and force their views on people who dare live differently to them then this hate wouldn't exist. If the US didn't go into countries gun-ho and murder anyone and everyone in the name of "democracy" then terrorism wouldn't exist.

What is happening today is what happened with the Irish. The Irish were fed up of being enslaved by the English and fought back.

I don't agree with terrorism and attacking innocent people is sick. The US army dropping bombs on innocent Iraqi's is no different then these extremists planting bombs in Airports. The Army hides behind a badge, these reactionaries and radicals hide behind Islam.

If the U.S. pulled out of the middle east, radical Islamic terrorists would take over countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan. They would in all likelihood procure nuclear weapons or at least the technology to develop them via Pakistan or Iran and then you have the beginning of the end of the world.

These people don't like the west full stop, western intervention is a cause of the rise in antipathy but this hate has existed for a long long time. They are anti-western culture, way of life... etc.

The situation with Ireland is just a sh!t analagy, that was an issue of sovereignty of one Island, the IRA did not predominantly target civilians, they targeted the government and the army.

by **Garcia10** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:45 pm

The US are not world police, therefore they should go back to being Isolationist. If the Arab world want to kill each other then that's their prerogative as long as they don't bring their problems to my door, then I couldn't careless. Both the US and Islamic Terrorists are fundamentalist and are trying to force their way of life onto one another and neither side of making gains, unless you count the dead bodies of innocent people.

All I can say is, the US have met their match in Putin and the "Communist" - Dictatorships of South East Asia. I hope to hell that Putin puts the US on their dairy air.

by **redtrader74** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:46 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:These are not home grown terrorists, they are born, raised and live in the main, in areas densely populated with Muslims. They live in a totally alien way of life to rest of us, speaking predominatly urdu etc. Watching channels on sattelite from their parents country, and educated in Islam from mullahs who generally come from abroad, nothing home grown there.

You say they're not homegrown terrorists then give a definition of what a homegrown terrorist is

Homegrown as in, born and raised in Britain, not as in, their parents are teaching them to be terrorists at home!

Home grown is someone who has been an active part of society in general, joined in with the British way of life, where English, when born here, is the first language. Someone who actually considers themselves British/ English. Homegrown terrorist to me sounds as though a normal average guy, like you and me, suddenly one day switched over to hating the UK, and everyone here, and thats not what happened, they were never like you and me.

They were born here, but did not integrate into the British way of life, their overriding influence was their parents background, religion and language.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:51 pm

Garcia10 wrote:The US are not world police, therefore they should go back to being Isolationist. If the Arab world want to kill each other then that's their prerogative as long as they don't bring their problems to my door, then I couldn't careless. Both the US and Islamic Terrorists are fundamentalist and are trying to force their way of life onto one another and neither side of making gains, unless you count the dead bodies of innocent people.

All I can say is, the US have met their match in Putin and the "Communist" - Dictatorships of South East Asia. I hope to hell that Putin puts the US on their dairy air.

And if parts of the arab world want to send terrorists over to western countries, you let them do so?

You let Afghanistan be taken over by radical Islamists intent on destroying the West?

Where did isolationism get the U.S. in WWII? It almost tipped the war comprehensively in favour of the Nazis, it was only in 1942 when they had let western Europe be destroyed and Pearl harbour was attacked di they realise the threat.

Factions of militant Islamists in the middle east do pose a threat to western civilization so you have to take an active interest, diplomacy does not work with people who justify these acts of terrorism. You have to intervene.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:56 pm

redtrader74 wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:These are not home grown terrorists, they are born, raised and live in the main, in areas densely populated with Muslims. They live in a totally alien way of life to rest of us, speaking predominatly urdu etc. Watching channels on sattelite from their parents country, and educated in Islam from mullahs who generally come from abroad, nothing home grown there.

You say they're not homegrown terrorists then give a definition of what a homegrown terrorist is

Homegrown as in, born and raised in Britain, not as in, their parents are teaching them to be terrorists at home!

Home grown is someone who has been an active part of society in general, joined in with the British way of life, where English, when born here, is the first language. Someone who actually considers themselves British/ English. Homegrown terrorist to me sounds as though a normal average guy, like you and me, suddenly one day switched over to hating the UK, and everyone here, and thats not what happened, they were never like you and me.

They were born here, but did not integrate into the British way of life, their overriding influence was their parents background, religion and language.

The meaning of homegrwon terrorism is clear, someone who is born in Britain, who in all likelihood came from an immigrant background but who has assimilated into society nonetheless.

The definiton of homegrown terrorism is Mohamed sidique khan. That is homegrown terrorism, not Jon Smith who goes down the pub for a pint and a game of darts.

The 7/7 bombers integrated into society, they turned radical in their 20's.

by **redtrader74** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:56 pm

Garcia10 wrote:The US are not world police, therefore they should go back to being Isolationist. If the Arab world want to kill each other then that's their prerogative as long as they don't bring their problems to my door, then I couldn't careless. Both the US and Islamic Terrorists are fundamentalist and are trying to force their way of life onto one another and neither side of making gains, unless you count the dead bodies of innocent people.

All I can say is, the US have met their match in Putin and the "Communist" - Dictatorships of South East Asia. I hope to hell that Putin puts the US on their dairy air.

Explain Bali and Madrids bombings?? Last time i checked they were not in any of the 50 states.

by **Garcia10** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:58 pm

LFC2007 wrote:And if parts of the arab world want to send terrorists over to western countries, you let them do so?

You let Afghanistan be taken over by radical Islamists intent on destroying the West?

Where did isolationism get the U.S. in WWII? It almost tipped the war comprehensively in favour of the Nazis, it was only in 1942 when they had let western Europe be destroyed and Pearl harbour was attacked di they realise the threat.

Factions of militant Islamists in the middle east do pose a threat to western civilization so you have to take an active interest, diplomacy does not work with people who justify these acts of terrorism. You have to intervene.

Religion is the opium of the mind - Marx. If the world was ruled by Stalinism we wouldn't have such a problem. The problem is the US' doing.

If people want to rage against one another, that's fine by me, aslong as it's not on my door step. If the UK wants to stop terrorism on it's door step, then they should stop bullying smaller countries. If there was no forceful US foreign Policy the world would be much safer.

Who decides who intervenes? The US? If it wasn't for the Soviet Union then Americans like Malcolm X would still be present, let me guess he was a terrorist too? America are terrorists just as much as the radical "Islamists" are. Ask an innocent Iraqi who has lost his wife and children to a US bomb if he thinks the US aren't terrorists?

War is not an option and as I say, the US needs to learn and Communism will teach the US a fundamental lesson.

by **redtrader74** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:01 am

LFC2007 wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:These are not home grown terrorists, they are born, raised and live in the main, in areas densely populated with Muslims. They live in a totally alien way of life to rest of us, speaking predominatly urdu etc. Watching channels on sattelite from their parents country, and educated in Islam from mullahs who generally come from abroad, nothing home grown there.

You say they're not homegrown terrorists then give a definition of what a homegrown terrorist is

Homegrown as in, born and raised in Britain, not as in, their parents are teaching them to be terrorists at home!

Home grown is someone who has been an active part of society in general, joined in with the British way of life, where English, when born here, is the first language. Someone who actually considers themselves British/ English. Homegrown terrorist to me sounds as though a normal average guy, like you and me, suddenly one day switched over to hating the UK, and everyone here, and thats not what happened, they were never like you and me.

They were born here, but did not integrate into the British way of life, their overriding influence was their parents background, religion and language.

The meaning of homegrwon terrorism is clear, someone who is born in Britain, who in all likelihood came from an immigrant background but who has assimilated into society nonetheless.

The definiton of homegrown terrorism is Mohamed sidique khan. That is homegrown terrorism, not Jon Smith who goes down the pub for a pint and a game of darts.

The 7/7 bombers integrated into society, they turned radical in their 20's.

They had neither assimilated or integrated, they just happened to be born here. Look at their background, where they lived, how they lived, the only part of British life they took on was that which was forced upon them, eg having to go to school, having to find work.

If you went to those areas, you'd find that kids in school, especially at a young age, speak to each other in their own language, assimilated?

by **Garcia10** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:02 am

redtrader74 wrote:
Garcia10 wrote:The US are not world police, therefore they should go back to being Isolationist. If the Arab world want to kill each other then that's their prerogative as long as they don't bring their problems to my door, then I couldn't careless. Both the US and Islamic Terrorists are fundamentalist and are trying to force their way of life onto one another and neither side of making gains, unless you count the dead bodies of innocent people.

All I can say is, the US have met their match in Putin and the "Communist" - Dictatorships of South East Asia. I hope to hell that Putin puts the US on their dairy air.

Explain Bali and Madrids bombings?? Last time i checked they were not in any of the 50 states.

Explain why the US Army raped Vietnamise women, killed innocent children and destroyed the nation. Explain why the US is so obsessed with remaining as a super power, they are willing to sell arms to nations in order to eliminate competition? Explain why the US supplies arms to Israel to use against neighbouring Arab countries, therefore creating tension and conflict in the Middle East.

by **redtrader74** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:05 am

Garcia10 wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:
Garcia10 wrote:The US are not world police, therefore they should go back to being Isolationist. If the Arab world want to kill each other then that's their prerogative as long as they don't bring their problems to my door, then I couldn't careless. Both the US and Islamic Terrorists are fundamentalist and are trying to force their way of life onto one another and neither side of making gains, unless you count the dead bodies of innocent people.

All I can say is, the US have met their match in Putin and the "Communist" - Dictatorships of South East Asia. I hope to hell that Putin puts the US on their dairy air.

Explain Bali and Madrids bombings?? Last time i checked they were not in any of the 50 states.

Explain why the US Army raped Vietnamise women, killed innocent children and destroyed the nation. Explain why the US is so obsessed with remaining as a super power, they are willing to sell arms to nations in order to eliminate competition? Explain why the US supplies arms to Israel to use against neighbouring Arab countries, therefore creating tension and conflict in the Middle East.

YOU SAID IT WAS DOWN TO THE US, therefore explain why the Cunts bombed Bali and Madrid??

by **LFC2007** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:05 am

Garcia10 wrote:If people want to rage against one another, that's fine by me, aslong as it's not on my door step. If the UK wants to stop terrorism on it's door step, then they should stop bullying smaller countries. If there was no forceful US foreign Policy the world would be much safer.

Who decides who intervenes? The US? If it wasn't for the Soviet Union then Americans like Malcolm X would still be present, let me guess he was a terrorist too? America are terrorists just as much as the radical "Islamists" are. Ask an innocent Iraqi who has lost his wife and children to a US bomb if he thinks the US aren't terrorists?

War is not an option and as I say, the US needs to learn and Communism will teach the US a fundamental lesson.

You really haven't got a clue mate, you have to intervene in certain areas, like Afghanistan - Iraq is a different issue. If the world conformed to your model radical islamists would dominate the middle east and procure nuclear weapons, I don't think you understand the connotations of this. If Afghanistan was left to its own devices, the Taliban would return, so would Al qaeda, what would there be to stop Pakistan or Iran leaking them the information that is necessary needed to proliferate nuclear weapons.

But your theory doesn't account for this, launching a nuclear attack on the west is ok I guess - after all as ong as they don't end up on our doorstep.

by **redtrader74** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:07 am

Garcia10 wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:
Garcia10 wrote:The US are not world police, therefore they should go back to being Isolationist. If the Arab world want to kill each other then that's their prerogative as long as they don't bring their problems to my door, then I couldn't careless. Both the US and Islamic Terrorists are fundamentalist and are trying to force their way of life onto one another and neither side of making gains, unless you count the dead bodies of innocent people.

All I can say is, the US have met their match in Putin and the "Communist" - Dictatorships of South East Asia. I hope to hell that Putin puts the US on their dairy air.

Explain Bali and Madrids bombings?? Last time i checked they were not in any of the 50 states.

Explain why the US Army raped Vietnamise women, killed innocent children and destroyed the nation. Explain why the US is so obsessed with remaining as a super power, they are willing to sell arms to nations in order to eliminate competition? Explain why the US supplies arms to Israel to use against neighbouring Arab countries, therefore creating tension and conflict in the Middle East.

And didn't your beloved USSR communists do the same in Afghanistan? The same in supplying Iran? Syria?

by **Garcia10** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:08 am

redtrader74 wrote:
Garcia10 wrote:
redtrader74 wrote:
Garcia10 wrote:The US are not world police, therefore they should go back to being Isolationist. If the Arab world want to kill each other then that's their prerogative as long as they don't bring their problems to my door, then I couldn't careless. Both the US and Islamic Terrorists are fundamentalist and are trying to force their way of life onto one another and neither side of making gains, unless you count the dead bodies of innocent people.

All I can say is, the US have met their match in Putin and the "Communist" - Dictatorships of South East Asia. I hope to hell that Putin puts the US on their dairy air.

Explain Bali and Madrids bombings?? Last time i checked they were not in any of the 50 states.

Explain why the US Army raped Vietnamise women, killed innocent children and destroyed the nation. Explain why the US is so obsessed with remaining as a super power, they are willing to sell arms to nations in order to eliminate competition? Explain why the US supplies arms to Israel to use against neighbouring Arab countries, therefore creating tension and conflict in the Middle East.

YOU SAID IT WAS DOWN TO THE US, therefore explain why the Cunts bombed Bali and Madrid??

Ask them.

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