Liverpool FC Forum

by **matrix** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:01 pm

Scottbot wrote:Well it looks like we can say it is more than just specualtion now and there is certainly too much smoke for there to be no fire. I haven't completely made my mind up about the lad yet because i simply haven't seen enough of him. I agree that everyone is probably taking Sabre's opinion as if it were the gospel truth and let's not forget Sabre was (and possibly still is) a big fan of Gonazalez!!! Also if we sign Torres and he plays a blinder he'll never hear the end of it!

My impressions of the player are this - He's quick and mobile, has a few tricks in his locker, is two-footed, is quite strong on the ball and from what i saw at the World Cup he is able to strike up a good understanding with his strike partner. His best quality for me would be the energy, enthusiasm and trickery he could bring to the team. His record says he isn't the most prolific but i would also point out that David Villa (a player everyone would love to see here) has only scored one more goal than Torres in La Liga this year.

A few people have suggested this kid should come in and play as 2nd striker with Kuyt pushed further forward. That would be folly in my book, it was clear last year that we missed a player who could offer a threat in behind, stretch the pitch and give Gerrard and Alonso another option instead of player in to feet all the time. Kuyt isn't and never will be the the player to do that although i would also like to see him play a bit further up the pitch. Rafa obviously thinks Torres is the answer and obviously it's a big gamble and should it go ahead it will NO DOUBT make or break Rafa's future at the club.

good post... scottbot :;):

by **Rush Job** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:02 pm

Scottbot wrote:Well it looks like we can say it is more than just specualtion now and there is certainly too much smoke for there to be no fire. I haven't completely made my mind up about the lad yet because i simply haven't seen enough of him. I agree that everyone is probably taking Sabre's opinion as if it were the gospel truth and let's not forget Sabre was (and possibly still is) a big fan of Gonazalez!!! Also if we sign Torres and he plays a blinder he'll never hear the end of it!

My impressions of the player are this - He's quick and mobile, has a few tricks in his locker, is two-footed, is quite strong on the ball and from what i saw at the World Cup he is able to strike up a good understanding with his strike partner. His best quality for me would be the energy, enthusiasm and trickery he could bring to the team. His record says he isn't the most prolific but i would also point out that David Villa (a player everyone would love to see here) has only scored one more goal than Torres in La Liga this year.

A few people have suggested this kid should come in and play as 2nd striker with Kuyt pushed further forward. That would be folly in my book, it was clear last year that we missed a player who could offer a threat in behind, stretch the pitch and give Gerrard and Alonso another option instead of player in to feet all the time. Kuyt isn't and never will be the the player to do that although i would also like to see him play a bit further up the pitch. Rafa obviously thinks Torres is the answer and obviously it's a big gamble and should it go ahead it will NO DOUBT make or break Rafa's future at the club.

Yep, one of the better posts in this thread imo. I agree we defo need someone who can beat his man Torres can do this but can he score the goals we need, at this stage i'll just say i hope so and leave it at that.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:04 pm

IF we sign Torres I will believe Ace that hes great, if we dont sign him ,Sabre was right and hes cr@p!

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:05 pm

s@int wrote:IF we sign Torres I will believe Ace that hes great, if we dont sign him ,Sabre was right and hes cr@p!

Along those same lines...Malouda is about to become "rubbish" rather than a world beater should he sign with Chelsea!

by **destro** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:13 pm

Im going to reserve judgement on both Torres and Voronin for that matter until they have had a full season playing for us.

The only thing i will say regarding Torres is that he looks like he can handle the physical side and from what little i have seen and looks like he likes to stay on his feet rather than fall over.

How is he on free kicks Sabre ?, we could do with a bit of creativity in that department instead of the usual whack it technique

Voronin, again from what little i have seen can finish, and he looks pretty quick for an old guy

, both of them have pace which should give us that extra option that we have been missing when Bellamy wasnt playing, im not saying they will be our first choice front two,but nice to have that extra something to call on in the games where we have struggled to create and take our chances against the small clubs like Everton

( couldnt resist )

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:13 pm

By the looks of things Torres is desperate to join, we're crying out for a striker, where's the problem? Maybe it's a price tag of 27m or maybe it's Torres isn't quite good enough for Liverpool, I don't know, but if Rafa believes Torres is a good player and we have the money to capture his signature why are we still waiting?

by **Doeboy** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:13 pm

My take on the lad. His a 12-15 goals a season type of striker. Will score you some great goals, will by the same token frustrate by missing some sitters. Fair ability in the air to. Will he adapt to the physical nature of the EPL? I'm not too sure. For me the defences in the EPL are of a better standard generally (only Valencia impress me defensively) so think he will find it harder here. Is he ultimately worth the 20m+ figures being quoted? At the moment no, and Athletico know this and i think are happy to get rid while his stock is still high. Has he got the potential to improve? Yes and I think this is why we are paying over the odds.

by **Scottbot** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:15 pm

Rush Job wrote:I agree we defo need someone who can beat his man Torres can do this but can he score the goals we need, at this stage i'll just say i hope so and leave it at that.

Yep, we're absolutely desperate for someone up front who scares defenders, will run at them, play more direct and offer some trickery. Must admit i really liked what i saw of Milito from Zaragoza but he does lack the qualities listed above. I really hope Torres can be the player we need but there will be a lot of pressure on the lad if and when he arrives and so much will depend on how he deals with that. I can't help but think we could buy Anelka and Owen for less than Madrid are asking for Torres though but having said that both those players come with heaps of baggage.

by **red37** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:23 pm

Scottbot wrote:I can't help but think we could buy Anelka and Owen for less than Madrid are asking for Torres though but having said that both those players come with heaps of baggage.

...whereas Torres will come with an absolutely gargantuan amount of expectation from the supporters (as you've mentioned) And at the age he is....well, it could go either way. The lad will either milk it and flourish on the back of that or he'll suck it up and shrivel away into his shell. Cisse springs to mind.

Dont get me wrong, he wouldn't be coming to Liverpool for an easy ride...but neither should he be coming here expected to be the next messiah. From what ive seen of him, 'character, spirit and stomach' aren't exactly at the forefront of his attributes, despite him being a regular for the National side.... I hope iam very much mistaken, for all our sakes; not least his.

by **god_bless_john_houlding** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:33 pm

By reading your posts nobody seems to really rate Torres, so why on earth are we after him. Not knowing a great deal about Spanish, I don't know if he's good or not, but if we have to spend 27m on him, I'd rather of us spent 16 on henry or 9 on owen.

by **aCe'** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:33 pm

red37 wrote:
Scottbot wrote:I can't help but think we could buy Anelka and Owen for less than Madrid are asking for Torres though but having said that both those players come with heaps of baggage.

...whereas Torres will come with an absolutely gargantuan amount of expectation from the supporters (as you've mentioned) And at the age he is....well, it could go either way. The lad will either milk it and flourish on the back of that or he'll suck it up and shrivel away into his shell. Cisse springs to mind.

Dont get me wrong, he wouldn't be coming to Liverpool for an easy ride...but neither should he be coming here expected to be the next messiah. From what ive seen of him, 'character, spirit and stomach' aren't exactly at the forefront of his attributes, despite him being a regular for the National side.... I hope iam very much mistaken, for all our sakes; not least his.

'character , spirit and stomach' ?!
hes got all the above listed... ask any A.Madrid fan !

by **red37** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:37 pm

aCe' wrote:
red37 wrote:
Scottbot wrote:I can't help but think we could buy Anelka and Owen for less than Madrid are asking for Torres though but having said that both those players come with heaps of baggage.

...whereas Torres will come with an absolutely gargantuan amount of expectation from the supporters (as you've mentioned) And at the age he is....well, it could go either way. The lad will either milk it and flourish on the back of that or he'll suck it up and shrivel away into his shell. Cisse springs to mind.

Dont get me wrong, he wouldn't be coming to Liverpool for an easy ride...but neither should he be coming here expected to be the next messiah. From what ive seen of him, 'character, spirit and stomach' aren't exactly at the forefront of his attributes, despite him being a regular for the National side.... I hope iam very much mistaken, for all our sakes; not least his.

'character , spirit and stomach' ?!
hes got all the above listed... ask any A.Madrid fan !

well, he's certainly going to need them in the prem.

by **Sabre** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:43 pm

mistyred wrote:Sabre i'm not being specific to Torres it's every spanish player we asa club are linked with, doesn't it drive you mad? your opinions are just that,Opinions.

I have no idea if Torres is a good idea or a bad idea i just think as a board sometimes we are to negative about every thing LFC.

Well mate, of course my opinion is just an opinion!! if you wish I can put a couple of disclaimers in every post: 1) This is not the truth 2) I may be perfectly wrong

It's just that it's natural to ask me because I've seen more of him, just the same way it's natural for me to ask you about Liverpool because you're there. The problem is that there's only a few spaniard around here, and I'm the one who posts more regularly, so that's why I'm asked. But I feel a lot of shame if my opinions came across like "shut up, you have no idea". Just trying to be helpful.

Drive me mad? sometimes it' funny :laugh:

, because when a 17 year old spaniard that hasn't played in primera pops up, they also ask me and I know fúck all about the lad. Or, for instance when asked about Arbeloa I had to be honest, I didn't see much of him. Sometimes it seems that because I'm Spaniard I must know everything, but it's not true of course!.

When I'm asked I'm always ready to answer because somehow I feel it's the way to return the info *you* provide me.

Sorry if I sounded pedantic or know it all about Spanish football, it wasn't my point. :rasp

(I am though when I see those youtube lads saying buy Torres!! he's better than crouch, that pisses me off for underrating Crouch)

P.S BTW, I agree about the too much negativity in the forum. But I'm not guilty of that, mind you, I'm an official member of the Happy Clappy Brigade, and I wear red tinted spectacles :laugh:

by **Sabre** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:54 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Sabre wrote:maybe Rafa has plans for him, if he comes not as a star, but as the "replacement of the attributes of Bellamy" then we might have a hell of a player. If we bring him as the new Henry though... I just hope Rafa's honest with the role he'll have.

Mate, we've discussed this point before but it's such an important thing to repeat: a lot of our future satisfaction or disappointment depends on what level of expectation we have about Torres when (if?) he signs.

If we expect him to absolutely take the league by storm from the off and net us 20-25 goals we are setting ourselves up for disappointment (the same would be true of Tevez by the way).

If, however, we see him as a quality young prospect and accomplished Spanish international who undoubtedly makes our strike force stronger then we'll probably be more accepting if it takes him time to settle into the league and if he only ends up scoring around 12-15 goals.

The danger, of course, will be to continually evaluate him in terms of his transfer fee--an evaluation that will more than likely cast a cloud over the lad given the fact that 25 (or so) million pounds is a lot of wonga. It'll be worth remembering in the months ahead that Darren feckin' Bent was valued at around the 17 million mark by West Ham and that it is most certainly a seller's market when it comes to negotiating transfers for the world's most promising young players.

Bad Bob, I hate you.

You put exactly my thoughts but I need 10 posts to explain what you explain in 1 post.

My warnings are due to I remember well the forum last summer with Kuyt talk and the summer that Morientes joined. Everybody expected so much of each of them. And both have dissapointed many. Why? because they expected a big goal scorer with a big tally. I'm just warning in order we don't fall in the same mistake.

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:54 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:By reading your posts nobody seems to really rate Torres, so why on earth are we after him. Not knowing a great deal about Spanish, I don't know if he's good or not, but if we have to spend 27m on him, I'd rather of us spent 16 on henry or 9 on owen.

I'm positive that only one club was going to be signing Henry this summer...Barca. No other clubs would have got a sniff and certainly not us, as he's always said he couldn't play for anyone else in England. So, signing Henry for 16 million was defo not an option for us.

Liverpool FC Forum

The fernando torres thread

Who is online