by 66-1112520797 » Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:18 am
Bad Bob wrote:LFC2007 wrote:Exactly what the fck was Baros, Cisse, FSP and Neil Mellor - a load of sh!t.
Sorry to butt into a rather cracking discussion lads but I feel obliged to point out that not only was Cisse our record signing and France's top scorer (ie. no one had any notion he was a bit merde that summer) but Baros had just won the Golden Boot at Euro 04 (making us think we had a hell of a player on our hands). Hindsight's 20/20 and all that but, at the time, we very much looked like we had the players to soften the blow of Owen's departure.
On the other side, Rafa did fly to Portugal to try and convince both Gerrard and Owen to stay in the midst of the tournament so we can't accuse him of being too aloof and indifferent.
From my perspective, Owen was disgruntled with the way things were headed under the Houllier regime and had let his contract run down while weighing up options. Houllier's sacking and the arrival of Rafa muddied the waters for him and it took him a few weeks to come to a decision after Portugal, by which time the CL qualifiers were upon us. In other words, I don't think he'd made up his mind already to leave but had been leaning in that direction pretty heavily prior to Rafa's arrival and ultimately, he decided to take the plunge.
Anyway, I still think this is all beside the point. He's undoubtedly a better striker than we currently have and he's available for a cut-rate price. The only question to ask, IMHO, is whether the gamble on his fitness is worth it. I'll leave character assessments to others (while gently reminding people that we did sign Craig Bellamy, after all)!
Baros was useless for us even before he went off to become a goldern boot winner. I think by then most Liverpool fans didnt expect the world from him as a striker. Granted he played in an exceptionally good Chec team, and deep down most Pool fans were hoping he could produce that when he came back after the summer, but he didnt, no surprise there.
Cisse at the time I think was compared to Henry 
by one Mr Houllier. Another fine example of us getting all caught up in the hype of a player. Houllier did that famously with a few of his signings, and even Rafa too has done this with Mark Gonzalez. Yet again another player who couldnt cut it at Liverpool.
And really Neil Mellor and possibly Pongolle were never ever going to be the strikers this club needed.
I've made my feelings on Owen quite clear, and to alot of people when looking at a footballer you should only take what he does on the pitch to truly evaluate him as a player. I cant, I like to see what kind of person that player is aswell, through media coverage and interviews. You can learn alot about most players attitudes towards the game, the club and the team. Owen comes accross as a selfish little get to me.
I mean its pretty similar to who was the greatest footballer of all time. Some say Pele, others Maradonna, unfortunately though the Argie probably was 'technically' the better footballer. But alot of people would say Pele for the simple fact that Maradonna was a cheat, and drug addict on so on. Alot of people judge a player by what he does on the pitch and off it. That is why there is no clear cut winner in the greatest player ever debate I reckon. If the Argie had condoned himself better off the field and of course didnt cheat on the Worlds greatest stage, he'd be easily the best player of all time.
Okay with Owen its not the same, but the princibal is ... knid of. Alot of fans will say he scored shed loads of goals for us, I'd have hime back. But others wouldnt they didnt like the way he acted when he jumped ship, people dont like the way he constantly talks about being fit for England and not his club as much. He, for me doesnt come accross as genuine in interviews, more like pre-rehearsed and colder. Unlike Fowler or Carragher when they do theres. Maybe we should only judge a player on what he does on the pitch, but the way he left the club does cloud judgement on him as a player and a person.Last edited by 66-1112520797 on Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:26 am, edited 1 time in total.
) but maybe a reason why he never LOVED THE CLUB in the way that Fowler did. He served Liverpool well while he was here, he left for a fee, never asked for a transfer, never went on strike. 
I do think Owen is a disloyal, cheeky little fecker who I wouldn't trust with a bargepole. I also think he shafted us big time when he left, as I said earlier not just because he left (because he is entitled to do that), but because he didn't sign a contract before leaving.
Thats it . Mick , your out . Saint , welcome to the clique. 
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