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by **LFC2007** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:29 pm

puroresu wrote:I dont think Pakistan should protect the taliban at all. If anything it should of been them who used diplomatic pressure to get rid of the Taliban. However not only did they support the war on terror but the also use there own military against muslims in afghanistan. An ally of the US they maybe but again they are ruled by a dictator who has the blessing of the western world.

The West has its own values and freedom of expression is one. However there are still limits. If Condolezza rice visited Africa and a british newspaper printed a cartoon with her in a banana boat going back to Africa there would be outrage as it would be seen as offensive.

It was in Pakistan where the core of the Taliban were educated - in extremist Islamic schools - and given the Pakistani government funded the Taliban with arms and training then I fail to see why and how they could have used "diplomatic" pressure to get rid of them. No diplomatic pressure from Pakistan would have removed the Taliban, radical regimes don't tend to budge unless they're forced to.

I assure you there have been plenty of satirical cartoons mocking Bush and his administration - including Condoleezza rice - yet there was no burning of flags, riots etc.. Just like there were mockings of Jesus, yet there were still no fatwa's issued, deadly riots or outcry's of "death to the west".

by **Ciggy** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:59 pm

I would like to know why there is no protests or flag burning or condemnation for the muslims getting killed every day in Iraq by muslims

Or is a cartoon picture worst than driving cars loaded with explosives into busy markets and mosques etc causing mass carnage ok?

Taliban where kunts of the highest order killing kids and hanging women in that old football stadium with a huge crowd of supporters.

Where was the demonstrations and death threats for the torture they put them people through?
Or is stoning and hanging women and kids to death not that important.

by **Big Niall** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:28 pm

dawson99 wrote:
stmichael wrote:Just get rid of that money draining monarchy and this will eliminate the problem of knighthood.

Tell the Queen to get a job at her local chippie.

and the money draining the economy from the monarchy si nothing comapred to what comes in from tourism from out royalty!

Is it? I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm just wondering whether a study was done.

To be honest I find the concept of monarch disgraceful and would never bow before somebody.

by **dawson99** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:36 pm

niall, we all knwo your views on britain and royalty. each to his own i guess.

personally on the monarchy i say: they are there, we gotta deal with it. they do a lot of charity and bring in a feck load of tourism from the small amount of studies ive bothered watching.

and if they wanna knight someone (altho most snub it now, i wouldnt!!!) and someone says we should be bombed,. i say on our way back from iraq lets pop into iran and nuke those feckers too

by **metalhead** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:21 pm

I had a chat with peewee about this issue long time ago about the outrages of muslims in the arab world in another thread.

I've never read salmon's rushdie's book, and I don't care if he got knighted, its England's choice to knight him not us.

Ciggy Iraq is in a civil war, you can't expect people to roit in the streets when there is a 80% chance there is a bomb next to a market or so.

Plus who do you think funded all these extremist groups, such as al-quada, taliban, etc...? pakistan alone weren't the only ones. Do you remember the western country who backed Ousama Bin Ladin, during the soviet-afghan war? gave him weapons and created the organization that we call al-quada today? Who do you think put Saddam to power and was given weapon to fight Iran?

The bombs that are blowing up in Iraq aren't just Al-Quada, its also individuals who are hired to create chaos in the region by the U.S, Syria, Iran, etc...

Politics is a funny game, its politics and us who create violence and we just use religion as an excuse.

by **metalhead** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:25 pm

babu wrote:
First of all i would like to know why when cartoons etc of Jesus are made that the Muslim world does not go crazy, start burning effigies, threatening nation etc?

He was also a prophet of Islam

Very true. And i assure you there are many who do get upset, but get little coverage. (btw not me, i dun give a shit ). However is Mohamad is far more revered for his role in the birth of Islam, imo.

Actually, in Islam its a sin to criticise or even mock other prophets, other than our prophet mohammad. I've neve seen cartoons by muslim newspaper mocking Jesus Christ or even Prophet Moses.

by **Brad1** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:32 pm

duh duh duh duh duh :rasp

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:42 pm

metalhead wrote:
babu wrote:
First of all i would like to know why when cartoons etc of Jesus are made that the Muslim world does not go crazy, start burning effigies, threatening nation etc?

He was also a prophet of Islam

Very true. And i assure you there are many who do get upset, but get little coverage. (btw not me, i dun give a shit ). However is Mohamad is far more revered for his role in the birth of Islam, imo.

Actually, in Islam its a sin to criticise or even mock other prophets, other than our prophet mohammad. I've neve seen cartoons by muslim newspaper mocking Jesus Christ or even Prophet Moses.

So what's your view of the over-reaction of Muslims across the globe who called for "death to Europe" when a Danish magazine satirised the prophet mohammad?

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:46 pm

metalhead wrote:I've never read salmon's rushdie's book, and I don't care if he got knighted, its England's choice to knight him not us.

Ciggy Iraq is in a civil war, you can't expect people to roit in the streets when there is a 80% chance there is a bomb next to a market or so.

Plus who do you think funded all these extremist groups, such as al-quada, taliban, etc...? pakistan alone weren't the only ones. Do you remember the western country who backed Ousama Bin Ladin, during the soviet-afghan war? gave him weapons and created the organization that we call al-quada today? Who do you think put Saddam to power and was given weapon to fight Iran?

The bombs that are blowing up in Iraq aren't just Al-Quada, its also individuals who are hired to create chaos in the region by the U.S, Syria, Iran, etc...

Politics is a funny game, its politics and us who create violence and we just use religion as an excuse.

It's not England's choice whether he was knighted or not, it's the choice of a select few in power who made that decision.

It's extremists and radical Islamists who justify the use of suicide bombings as part of their belief who have created this new climate of terrorism.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:30 am

To be honest I find the concept of monarch disgraceful and would never bow before somebody.

It's only a ceremonial monarchy. One doesn't have to bow if they didn't wish to do it. Personally I find the elected government more disagraceful. They are the ones who fook everything up.

Is it? I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm just wondering whether a study was done.

It's about 38M a year. Equating to around 62 pence per person.

BBC

In context, in the year 2003-2004, the Crown Estates generated 170M in revenue for the Treasury.

And in comparison, it costs 85M a year of government funding to pay for S4C, a Welsh television channel.

Manhattan is a devout monarchist. The royal family is tremendous value for money and IMO it would be a disasterous decision to abolish the monarchy.

by **kobashi** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:24 am

As a muslim i find the decision to 'honour' Salman Rushdie with a knighthood is wrong and an insult to Muslims across the world. Western governments seem to have no problem when it comes to insulting Muslims and Islams. The British Government knew exactly what reaction they were gonna get.

Secular liberal societies may believe that it is perfectly acceptable to insult and defame religious communities whether they are Muslims, Christians or Jews but Muslims and Islam does not allow this.

by **LFC2007** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:38 am

kobashi wrote:Secular liberal societies may believe that it is perfectly acceptable to insult and defame religious communities whether they are Muslims, Christians or Jews but Muslims and Islam does not allow this.

Well take that up with Rushdie and his work in the satanic verses. He's done a lot for charity and some of his other literary works are considered valued by many, not only in this country, but by many around the world.

It's not us as a "society" who is "defaming" Islam, it is what YOU consider Rushdie's work to be doing, no-one else.

by **babu** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:03 am

metalhead wrote:
babu wrote:
First of all i would like to know why when cartoons etc of Jesus are made that the Muslim world does not go crazy, start burning effigies, threatening nation etc?

He was also a prophet of Islam

Very true. And i assure you there are many who do get upset, but get little coverage. (btw not me, i dun give a shit ). However is Mohamad is far more revered for his role in the birth of Islam, imo.

Actually, in Islam its a sin to criticise or even mock other prophets, other than our prophet mohammad. I've neve seen cartoons by muslim newspaper mocking Jesus Christ or even Prophet Moses.

Metalhead either you misunderstood his post or i did. I assumed he meant why don't muslims protest when Jesus is featured in a comic (in western papers). I was just pointing out that it does upset, but gets no coverage.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:14 am

As a muslim i find the decision to 'honour' Salman Rushdie with a knighthood is wrong and an insult to Muslims across the world. Western governments seem to have no problem when it comes to insulting Muslims and Islams. The British Government knew exactly what reaction they were gonna get.

Secular liberal societies may believe that it is perfectly acceptable to insult and defame religious communities whether they are Muslims, Christians or Jews but Muslims and Islam does not allow this.

Yes and that's the problem.

The overreaction from some Muslims.

This is not the Middle Ages.

If someone says something about a Muslim's religion, then how about they try the intellectual route and respond to the thing that is said with reason and rationality? Point by point. Break down the argument and respond.

Maybe that would be more effective than the old "Behead Him and Burn His Body!!!!" routine?

by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:39 am

Let me just throw my t'uppence in here. Test the water, so to speak:

I personally believe that anyone who threatens a country because said country knights an author, is backward, brainless, and a step away from licking windows.

I also believe that anyone who protests, burns effigies, flags, and f*cking embassies over a cartoon, is a retard.

Furthermore, I reckon any politician/leader/head of state who publically (or privately) places a death sentence on a single person for writing a book (a BOOK, FFS!) wants removing from power and their nipples ripping off.

Then shooting, along with the other rabid dogs.

Look - this may be deeply offensive to those in question. I may even have a f*cking fatwa put on my head by some inbred on here. But the sheer fact is - 5 year olds don't act as childish as that f*cking gang of extremists. (Notice I said "gang of extremists", thereby voiding any impending "you can't call an entire religion..." p*ss-and-whine session.)

Grow up, you f*cking over-sensitive, precious little turds. We don't care about you. Your own government don't care about you. If you keep on yakking sh*t, killing people and taking liberties, we'll rip your entire f*cking country a new a*sehole. THEN you'll be sorry, you f*cking cowards.

Now f*ck off telling US how to run OUR lives, you insignificant, pompous, loud-mouth c*nts.

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