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by **red_guy** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:12 am

babu wrote:
red_guy wrote:Since the window has been open = no. For the last 2-3 seasons, yes. That's my opinion dude, if u don't like it, fine...don't bother.

fair enough, continue the hysterics.

Thank you. :lookaround

by **Paul C** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:10 pm

I wish I knew what was going on, yeah Gillete says that Rafa will get backing but their is nothing concrete regards targets only specualtion from sites like tribal football.

by **grayghost** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:26 pm

The time for talking has defo stoped we need action the new owners :censored:

and moan about pressure from media and fans well there is a good reason for that we have not made any signings so far and am starting to worry.

They have done all the sweet talking they could to get there hands on the club who knows maybe we made a mistake selling to thease Yanks are they willing to take the next step and put some hard cash on the table i just don't know.

To many lies are being told they said they would get snoogy dogy ur who ever Rafa wants. Well Rafa did not want Forlan ur Bent but that seems to be the case now 3rd choice targets what else is new at Anfield. :angry:

by **Penguins** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:10 pm

Well, same old same old.

I can't see us spening 20m+ on any player this summer.
Even 15m+ would be a stretch.
Still think it's necessary to sell if we want to buy top class.
Only my belief though that the budget is pretty small.

Hay, at least we will get 3rd and make a cup run.

by **grayghost** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:13 pm

Don't want 3rd mate.

by **Bammo** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:23 pm

grayghost wrote:To many lies are being told they said they would get snoogy dogy ur who ever Rafa wants. Well Rafa did not want Forlan ur Bent but that seems to be the case now 3rd choice targets what else is new at Anfield.

No one knows for certain who Rafa does or doesn't want. There's no reason to start panicking now and wanting Gillet and Hicks out because they haven't spent £40m already. Just because we haven't signed any major players yet doesn't mean we won't.

Look at this way...what major transfers have there been so far? None of our targets have gone elsewhere. For all we know we could already be in talks with any of them.

by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:55 pm

grayghost wrote:The time for talking has defo stoped we need action the new owners and moan about pressure from media and fans well there is a good reason for that we have not made any signings so far and am starting to worry.

They have done all the sweet talking they could to get there hands on the club who knows maybe we made a mistake selling to thease Yanks are they willing to take the next step and put some hard cash on the table i just don't know.

To many lies are being told they said they would get snoogy dogy ur who ever Rafa wants. Well Rafa did not want Forlan ur Bent but that seems to be the case now 3rd choice targets what else is new at Anfield.

You talk poo , NO LIES i repeat, NO LIES have been told , your reading and listening to rumours that we're gonna sign this player and that player, There's probably only four people who know how much money we've got to spend on players.

Thats' gillette and hicks and rafa and parry , them same four people are the ones who know who we're gonna sign .

Stop talking sh!te and take the rumours with a pinch of salt .

None of us have any control over the situation and none of us can do anything about it.

I know you have a right to give your opinion , but try and give them based on facts and not on stupid rumours you read on here or in the rags. Try and engage your brain before you post. :veryangry

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:14 pm

Just a little up date on this situation with the takeover and yes i know its the 19th June 2007, apparently the club is still to change hands ofiicially into the hands of Gillet and Hicks, the reason being is that they set a deadline of the 13th June for all existing shareholders and shareholders who were none contactable or refused to sell to get in touch with the club so that the remaining shares could be bought out from them by Kop Football.

Now the takeover will go on for another several weeks before the club is officially signed sealed and delivered to the yanks.

Also have heard we have agreed an 11 million pound fee with a club for a player, before people start asking i haven't a clue who it is and were he is from, my source knows but he won't tell me. The player is currently holidaying so obviously he has to agree to the move.

Please don't hassle me as i know no more then that, but if i hear anything i will post. EXCITED NOW

Ripped from RAWK, the author is Shankslegend reputedly someone "in the know".

£11million covers a lot of rumours though

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:16 pm

Penguins wrote:Well, same old same old.

I can't see us spening 20m+ on any player this summer.
Even 15m+ would be a stretch.
Still think it's necessary to sell if we want to buy top class.
Only my belief though that the budget is pretty small.

Hay, at least we will get 3rd and make a cup run.

Seriously are you on about, hardly any business has been conduceted on a Eurpean level. You post these slit your wrist type posts, we're doomed, we're fecked, where has that attitude ever got us in the past?

by **Penguins** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:45 pm

Sorry, I am just being honest.

I do think we'll make some signings, just not any big ones.
And I am also being honest when I don't believe the transfer budget is that big. And waiting until August to make your signings spells disaster to me.

I don't think we'll break the record fee over and over again which I see we must to be able to compete next season.

Call me pessimistic, but I have so far not seen anything to make me an optimist.

To be after the kind of players like Benayoun just set a standard that is very low with the current ambitions of this club.

I also prefer to set my expectaions at a low lvl so I won't be dissapointed like the last couple of seasons.

by **Ace Ventura** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:45 pm

Penguins wrote:Sorry, I am just being honest.

I do think we'll make some signings, just not any big ones.
And I am also being honest when I don't believe the transfer budget is that big. And waiting until August to make your signings spells disaster to me.

I don't think we'll break the record fee over and over again which I see we must to be able to compete next season.

Call me pessimistic, but I have so far not seen anything to make me an optimist.

To be after the kind of players like Benayoun just set a standard that is very low with the current ambitions of this club.

I also prefer to set my expectaions at a low lvl so I won't be dissapointed like the last couple of seasons.

How do you know we will wait until August ? Its not even July yet FFS.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:27 pm

Penguins wrote:Sorry, I am just being honest.

I do think we'll make some signings, just not any big ones.
And I am also being honest when I don't believe the transfer budget is that big. And waiting until August to make your signings spells disaster to me.

I don't think we'll break the record fee over and over again which I see we must to be able to compete next season.

Call me pessimistic, but I have so far not seen anything to make me an optimist.

To be after the kind of players like Benayoun just set a standard that is very low with the current ambitions of this club.

I also prefer to set my expectaions at a low lvl so I won't be dissapointed like the last couple of seasons.

Who says we're waiting until August?

So in your view we need to break the transfer record over and over again to be successful next year?

IMO nonsense, maybe once for a top striker, but over and over? That's just crazy Championship manager lunacy.

So re-signing Gerrard, Alonso, Carra, Reina, signing Leiva, and striking a new youth setup deal with MTK Hungary whilst also trying to build a new stadium is not a sign to be optimistic?

I find that very odd, on the transfer front hardly any clubs have been active, we will sign players at least in the month of July, if not before then.

You expect Benayoun to be the be all and end all of our business? Is it not remotely conceivable in your mind that we may just have enough after spending a nominal fee on him IF we sign him to buy a few top class players? Do you not trust Rafa, Hicks and Gillett when they say we need to sign a few top class players? On what grounds?

Our current ambition low? IMO You don't know this club mate. :no

by **Penguins** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:49 pm

I say most will not happen probably until August.
Why?
Since when have they been done earlier?

Well, since the transfer record is £14m, which our rivals has spent twice as high as, it no surprise we aren't close.

And, yes, money will help. Chelski would be without any titles without those 200-300 million the last few years.

I see the need for 2 top class wingers and a top class striker= all 3 will cost 15-30 million. This means the transfer record will need to be broken a few times.
Sorry, but that is what top class flair players cost today.
If Nani, Anderson and Hargreaves all cost 15m+ and Malouda 17m+ then you can bet that even better players will cost at least as much!

I repeat, it's is not my belief that spending 7-10 million on players will help us get us any closer to what we want.
And unless we show we mean business the story will always be the same every year.

Keeping the status quo is not progress to me. Stadium was long overdue and should not be seen as bonus, more as a very delayed must. We have 0 top class flair player in our squad. 0!

I'm not comparing what other clubs have done this year.
So what if Chelski spend 20 million this summer?
They have spent 250 million the last 3 years!
Same with Utd. They have already beefed up their team over the years with Rooney, Ferdinand etc.

Us?
We have stayed at the same place for years. Always getting 3-4 choice players, getting rid of half of them at leat every year. Haven't seen any class players arriving for years, only alot of maybes(except maybe Alonso who we got on the cheap).

In the past it was ok to raid Norwich, Watford etc for their promising players and give them time or hope that they'd develop. There is no time for hop and development if you want to be the best nowadays. Chelski and Manure has set the bar and if you don't keep up you'll be left behind.

And NO, I never said benayoun was the be all and end all of our business. I only claimed the fact that we a pursuing such players is not in the best interest of the club if we are to take any steps forward. A typical middle table player, maybe Uefa cup quality. pretty good, but not something we should be after. And he is the only player we have so far bid on.

I trust Rafa, Gillet and Hicks mean well and want good signings
but I sense a bit of naivity from Gillet and Hicks when they talk about singings. Hecks said 2 weeks ago for example that we should see something in 7 days time. Nothing happened.
Gillet has said he'd bring snop doggy if rafa wanted him, then 3 weeks later said we would not spend like drunken sailors.
This tells me they underestimate what it takes to makes deals happen on this contintent.

And I never said our current ambition is low. it's quite clear what they are.
But those ambition ill match the actions like going after players like Benayoun.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:59 pm

Penguins wrote:I say most will not happen probably until August.
Why?
Since when have they been done earlier?

Well, since the transfer record is £14m, which our rivals has spent twice as high as, it no surprise we aren't close.

And, yes, money will help. Chelski would be without any titles without those 200-300 million the last few years.

I see the need for 2 top class wingers and a top class striker= all 3 will cost 15-30 million. This means the transfer record will need to be broken a few times.
Sorry, but that is what top class flair players cost today.
If Nani, Anderson and Hargreaves all cost 15m+ and Malouda 17m+ then you can bet that even better players will cost at least as much!

I repeat, it's is not my belief that spending 7-10 million on players will help us get us any closer to what we want.
And unless we show we mean business the story will always be the same every year.

Keeping the status quo is not progress to me. Stadium was long overdue and should not be seen as bonus, more as a very delayed must. We have 0 top class flair player in our squad. 0!

I'm not comparing what other clubs have done this year.
So what if Chelski spend 20 million this summer?
They have spent 250 million the last 3 years!
Same with Utd. They have already beefed up their team over the years with Rooney, Ferdinand etc.

Us?
We have stayed at the same place for years. Always getting 3-4 choice players, getting rid of half of them at leat every year. Haven't seen any class players arriving for years, only alot of maybes(except maybe Alonso who we got on the cheap).

In the past it was ok to raid Norwich, Watford etc for their promising players and give them time or hope that they'd develop. There is no time for hop and development if you want to be the best nowadays. Chelski and Manure has set the bar and if you don't keep up you'll be left behind.

And NO, I never said benayoun was the be all and end all of our business. I only claimed the fact that we a pursuing such players is not in the best interest of the club if we are to take any steps forward. A typical middle table player, maybe Uefa cup quality. pretty good, but not something we should be after. And he is the only player we have so far bid on.

I trust Rafa, Gillet and Hicks mean well and want good signings
but I sense a bit of naivity from Gillet and Hicks when they talk about singings. Hecks said 2 weeks ago for example that we should see something in 7 days time. Nothing happened.
Gillet has said he'd bring snop doggy if rafa wanted him, then 3 weeks later said we would not spend like drunken sailors.
This tells me they underestimate what it takes to makes deals happen on this contintent.

And I never said our current ambition is low. it's quite clear what they are.
But those ambition ill match the actions like going after players like Benayoun.

1) We are under new ownership and the need to sign players before August has been firmly recognised by them AND Rafa.

2) IMO your valuations of positions are excessive with the exception of a striker. It is perfectly feasible that we can sign two class wingers for between £10 and £15m.

3) No top class falair player? Is Gerrard not top class with a bit of flair? Garcia may be inconsistent but he has a lot of flair. I agree, we need a couple of flair players, but that is not to say we don't already have some creativity.

4) We don't know if Benayoun is the only player we've bid on. Benayoun can be a good replacement for Gonzales and Zenden, add to that 2 top wingers and a striker and we're well on our way IMO.

5) Saying we won't spend like a drunken sailor is something I'd expect every single chairman in the world to say about transfers, it is common sense that you buy players with significant consideration.

6) You say you don't think Benayoun will be the summit of our spending, yet you also say he is a mark of our ambition - two contradicting statements.

by **109-1182120412** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:16 am

Conflicting results from the media. One day they're ready to spend, the next day they won't be held to ransom and will not spend, etc.

We'll have to wait and see honestly. I don't know if they're ready to provide Rafa with what he wants. Rafa does have some rather high demands this time. IF the new owners refuse that?

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