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by **bigmick** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:38 am

Well the fact that Riquelme is the preferred choice of the National team would appear to make you right Mo', and I'm not going to argue as he too is a wonderful footballer. Perhaps though there's something about the waif like stature of Aimar, the little boy lost look of him or the tendancy to perhaps take more of a risk in posession than his fellow countryman which just makes me prefer to watch him more. He's got a kind of a Hurricane Higgins appeal in that you never really know what you are going to get with him, and at times he looks out of place in the environment in which he finds himself. I also think that if you are looking purely from a purist, almost poetic way of watching football Aimar is capable of occasional glimpses of dazzling brilliance and perception which surpass Riquelme, although of course I'm probably wrong.

by **Sabre** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:42 am

The problem with Riquelme, IMHO, is that he's a player that the team must work for him, he must me the leader of the team, like he was in Villareal, and you must surround him of working people.

He's not going to have that role in a club like Liverpool FC, and his attitude do not seem to be the correct one for this league.

Quality? lots. When you're winning a game 1-0 and you want kill the game, give the ball to him. His set pieces are excellent. But sometimes quality is not enough to succeed.

by **kunilson** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:37 am

Topic Title: Youssi Benayoun ?

My Response: Hell No.

Disclaimer: Further response required upon request.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:11 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Kopboyau wrote:Rumoured to be part of a Swap Deal for Craig Bellamy - Cash + Youssi = Bellamy

I would imagine that, should Bellamy head for Upton Park, he'd be used as a make-weight for Tevez, rather than the Benayoun.

I don't see how that would be possible seeing as he is owned by MSI.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:18 pm

s@int wrote:Rumours are just that rumour, the weight anyone places on a rumour seems to depend more on how much they want to believe it rather than the chances of it having any basis in truth.

Henry, Eto'o or Tevez coming, everyone would love it to happen so it gets more credibility than the tenuous links would really warrant. Benayoun or Defoe coming, most don't like it so the rumour gets hammered.

Not true Saint, different rumours carry a different degree of weight to them by virtue of evidence i.e. what the manager has said and what the players themselves have said. All of these combined with the context of the situation e.g. in Henry's situation he's said he loves Arsenal and he is Mr Arsenal it makes the Henry rumour less believable.

In the case of the Malouda speculation there have been direct quotes from the player on a number of occassions saying he wants to leave and that Liverpool are one of the clubs who have shown interest in him., this combined with the context of the situation - that players from Lyon tend to want to move on to a greater challenge in another league, just like Essien and Diarra did - makes it a much more believable rumour than many of the others.

It's not a case of wanting to believe one rumour or another its the plausibility of each rumour based on the facts of what has been said by players, managers and put in the context of their situation.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:19 pm

bigmick wrote:Well the fact that Riquelme is the preferred choice of the National team would appear to make you right Mo', and I'm not going to argue as he too is a wonderful footballer. Perhaps though there's something about the waif like stature of Aimar, the little boy lost look of him or the tendancy to perhaps take more of a risk in posession than his fellow countryman which just makes me prefer to watch him more. He's got a kind of a Hurricane Higgins appeal in that you never really know what you are going to get with him, and at times he looks out of place in the environment in which he finds himself. I also think that if you are looking purely from a purist, almost poetic way of watching football Aimar is capable of occasional glimpses of dazzling brilliance and perception which surpass Riquelme, although of course I'm probably wrong.

Very talented players, but not what we are looking for IMO.

by **Bad Bob** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:38 pm

LFC2007 wrote:All of these combined with the context of the situation e.g. in Henry's situation he's said he loves Arsenal and he is Mr Arsenal it makes the Henry rumour less believable.

Well. for being "Mr. Arsenal" he's not been shy about flirting with Milan (this month) or Barcelona (last year). Throw in Fabregas's comments about being worried about Henry leaving and the fact that Henry has spoken a few times about his appreciation for Liverpool FC, the Kop and for Gerrard and you have the makings of at least a "stranger things have happened" rumour. I'm not saying that I think it's likely he'll come here but it does seem plausible that he's off from Arsenal and I think that's more than enough in the minds of some supporters around here to dream a little.

Bottom line...I think Saint's made a good point about transfer rumours at the top end of the market being heavily infused with wishful thinking. After all, I doubt many people would have been so tempted by the idea of selling Alonso to Barca if the move wasn't linked (in the minds of the supporters and some members of the press, not Rafa's or the board's) to Eto'o coming the other way. Wishful thinking has an amazing capacity to spread like wildfire, turning sheer speculation (or fabrication) into something that seems plausible, if one follows the "no smoke without a fire" approach to transfer rumours. Just my two cents.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:50 pm

My point is that the Henry rumour is less plausible than, for example, the Malouda rumour. With regard to Henry's comments about Milan - that is separate to the issue of whether he could become a Liverpool player. Henry has said in the past how much respect he has for the Pompey fans - but I wouldn't expect him to move there. With Malouda there have been direct quotes saying "I want to leave" ....."certain clubs, including Liverpool have shown interest in me". That situation for one carries far more weight than, for example the Henry to Liverpool rumour, purely based on the evidence.

I'm not saying Henry leaving is an impossibility, but the degree of comment being made by Malouda to the degree of comment made by Henry is entirely different. Given he has re-iterated hi slove for Arsenal on so many occassions, and given Wenger has re-iterated his desire to keep him on so many occassions, and given they would be without any real potent striker, I consider it a much more unlikely transfer to happen than many others.

About wishful thinking, many fans will attribute more plausibility to the Henry rumour purely because they want it to happen - which is understandable. But there are different rumours that carry a different degree of plausibility based on the EVIDENCE .

As for Eto'o, I for one didn't in any way remotely consider it a possibility that Alonso would move in the opposite direction in any potential move based on the evidence that Rafa considers him one of the core players in the team, that Rafa has said he is trying to get him tied down to a long term deal, and that Xabi himself had said he wanted to stay and that his dream was to win the Premiership with Liverpool.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:03 pm

Bad Bob wrote:if one follows the "no smoke without a fire" approach to transfer rumours.

That's the problem, all too often rumour is purely fabricated e.g. Gerrard in secret negotiations with Real Madrid.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:08 pm

It may all be just coincidence, but as soon as Alonso signed his contract, Eto'o makes a statement saying he is stopping at Barca and we start looking down market for our strikers. Bascombe who is "supposedly" close to Rafa and Parry writes an article saying the budget is not what we all hoped it would be etc etc.

Until a deal is signed sealed and delivered its all rumour, smoke and mirrors. I remember Ian Moore being introduced to the Notts Forest fans as their new signing, the day before he signed for the Mancs. Macari "signing" for Liverpool before he signed for the Mancs. Even when they have signed they havn't always

as Obi showed us last season.

I just take them all with a pinch of salt, enjoy the good rumours and moan at the cr@p ones, and wait till they are SIGNED before breaking out the champagne.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:16 pm

s@int wrote:It may all be just coincidence, but as soon as Alonso signed his contract, Eto'o makes a statement saying he is stopping at Barca and we start looking down market for our strikers.

In truth we don't know if we are now beginning to look down market for our striker, and Eto'o has come out before and re-iterated his desire to stay at Barca on a few occassions.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:25 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
s@int wrote:It may all be just coincidence, but as soon as Alonso signed his contract, Eto'o makes a statement saying he is stopping at Barca and we start looking down market for our strikers.

In truth we don't know if we are now beginning to look down market for our striker, and Eto'o has come out before and re-iterated his desire to stay at Barca on a few occassions.

Which is exactly my point, you can make a decent rumour and attach just the "facts" you want to support it. I can find various articles both in support or against the transfer swop. At the end of the day you can't even believe the players because half the time they don't really know if the rumours are true, and the last thing they want to do is quash a rumour that may lead to a bigger contract.

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:30 pm

s@int wrote:Which is exactly my point, you can make a decent rumour and attach just the "facts" you want to support it. I can find various articles both in support or against the transfer swop.

You can find articles but not necessarily the evidence i.e. the quotes to support it.

There are degrees of plausibility based on transfer speculation based on what people have said. If Malouda comes out and says "I want to leave"......"Liverpool are a club who have shown interest in me" - then those comments add weight to the likelihood of the transfer.

If Henry came out and said "I want to leave Arsenal" ......"Liverpool are a club interested in me" I would attribute more weight to the rumour. But there is just not the same weight in evidence as other rumours.

by **egyptian liverpoolian** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:41 pm

if that israelian play in anfield i will stop support liverpool
i ca't support one of child killer i am sorry

by **LFC2007** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:56 pm

egyptian liverpoolian wrote:if that israelian play in anfield i will stop support liverpool
i ca't support one of child killer i am sorry

EH!?

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