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by **jedwards** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:52 am

If we don't buy 3 to 4 top class players for next season, we will find it harder to finish fifth spot, with another season totaly empty handed, and a very poor season as last season. Whey we can not get some promising players on loan even?, as our new owners are shy to spend decent money on their new business!!!!!!

by **jedwards** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:54 am

If we don't buy 3 to 4 top class players for next season, we will find it harder to finish fifth spot, with another season totaly empty handed, and a very poor season as last season. Why can't we get some promising players on loan even?, as our new owners are shy to spend decent money on their new business!!!!!!

by **Scottbot** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:44 am

I see the BBC gossip column says a lot of the papers are running the Milito link this morning QUOTE - 'Liverpool have opened talks with Real Zaragoza striker Diego Milito. (Various) ' I tend to pay a little more attention when they all run the same story on the same day. Anyone know much or seen much of this player?

Sabes?

I'm off to YouTube to see what i can find

Just found a 50 goal compilation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....search=

Deffo worth a watch. Looks like a good player to me (although most players do on a highlight reel). Seems to be a REAL penalty box player (which is what we need), attacks the ball in the box, seems quite quick for a tall guy, scored his fair share with his head plus alot of scruffy Fowleresque (again, exactly what we need) goals as well' .

by **Sabre** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:58 am

I think you're on to something there Scott.

So far the only one leaving for sure is his brother Gaby Milito, BUT:

Zaragoza, is like Tottenham in importance, but with financial troubles nowadays. Their debt is important, and they need to sell that's a fact.

The press says that Saviola has agreed to sign up a deal of your years with them, today, and that in my book means Zaragoza is going to sell Milito, the striker. Saviola has apparently confirmed he will play for Zaragoza, UNLESS Schuster ends up in the bench of Real Madrid, which is a possibility and will depend on Real Madrid winning the league.

Of that, I'd be 99% certain.

Since we've played our cards close to the chest I wouldn't be surprised if we were the team that signed up Milito, and FWIW, I'd be happy with him signing up because he'd bring goals and something different.

From now on, Diego Milito is the first man of my speculations, because if they want to sign up a striker, in the case of Zaragoza it means they're going to sell. And Liverpool is a CL finalist, has Spaniards, has more money than most of Spanish Clubs (the top ones have other targets Kaka, Henry, Abidal, Toure) has an argentinian, and he could understand the coach.

I think it's a rumour worth to follow, and I think he'd be a very good signing. No promises though about his success, after my morientes prediction failure, but I'd be quite confident in this case aswell

P.S. Yes Scott , like the song of the video says, he's a Matador, a Killer. He's the typical striker that when a winger is progressing, he knows to control his race and then inject the needed acceleration to reach first to the spot . He would be IMHO, the best finisher we'd have.

by **johnlennon** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:27 pm

bigmick wrote:I know none of us know as of yet, it's too early to say, La Liga hasn't finished yet, it's only rumour etc etc but I'm asking a hypothetical question here, so if you want to deal in cast-iron facts, leave the thread alone now, it's not for you.

Right, what if the players we are going to sign this Summer are the likes of Darren Bent, Yossi Benayoun, Matt Taylor, Curtis Davis, Roy Carroll etc etc. What if there isn't going to be enough money to buy real superstars. Will it mean we are struggling to finish even in the top four, or will it mean that we are replacing the likes of Gonzales, Zenden, Fowler, (at this stage of his career obviously) with better players. Is it concieveable that if we are to stick with people who are proven Premiership performers and not go down the "star" route (even if the decision is forced upon us by lack of funds) that we may end up a better team than last season?

My feeling is that it is possible but we would be unlikely to improve enough to win the title. If we are to release Fowler, then for sure I can go Bent as a straight swap, with Benayoun for Gonzales/Zenden. Equally, a run of the mill right back to cover Finnan would do, as would an experienced and cheap goalie to replace that other bloke who's name escapes me right now. Also a young and non-compromising centre half is needed, and Curtis Davis would do for me. If Bellamy is to be sold off though, surely we need an absolute top class replacement.

If the likes of those which are currently being talked about really are the limit of our transfer aspirations, I'm afraid to say our days of winning the Premiership are oover for the forseeable future. Lets just hope they're not.

spot on mate! i must say the names that are getting linked to us is very disapointing, surely we can do better than bent and davis WE ARE LFC!!

we need to think big, be positive, i got a sinking feeling rafa might be like GH and not want superstars

mick " I'm afraid to say our days of winning the Premiership are oover for the forseeable future. Lets just hope they're not."

thats the prob we haven't won the prem at all so the days need to start!

by **LFC2007** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:07 pm

Bamaga man wrote:But if somebody doesnt like it, shouldnt they report it to the Mods. I think sometimes people are just awkward for the sheer sake of being awkward, or to get a bit of attention. The thread didnt have to descend into anything, I think a pinch of salt would of gone a long way, no but as usual an argument is flaired instead.

I'm entitled to say my opinion, you are entitled to yours. I dislike that kind of humour, it is not on. You like the attention cos you can't contain yourself from jumping on the bandwagon when it comes to having a dig at me. Same old you, taking digs, I gave my opinion,. If I get sh!t from you lot for having that opinion you expect me to leave it? No, you wouldn't, nor am I going to.

Please don't send me another PM of abuse like you did last time, I don't care what you have to say.

by **66-1112520797** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:17 pm

Please don't send me another PM of abuse like you did last time, I don't care what you have to say

Obviously you do as you keep replying to anything that I post up, have the last word WUM.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:35 pm

Lads, a really good thread is very close to being ruined by this. Take it elsewhere, for f*ck's sake.

Good quality threads are going to be few and far between during the transfer window, and for valuable posters to be the ones responsible for killing off good discussion is a real shame, to be honest. Take it to general chat or something.

by **LFC2007** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:50 pm

Sabre wrote:Zaragoza, is like Tottenham in importance, but with financial troubles nowadays. Their debt is important, and they need to sell that's a fact.

The press says that Saviola has agreed to sign up a deal of your years with them, today, and that in my book means Zaragoza is going to sell Milito, the striker.

Sabre, which clubs in Spain don't have financial problems?. It seems that other than Barca and Madrid, almost every other club has some sort of financial problem. How do you see that affecting La Liga in the long term in terms of retaining talent and the quality of the league?

Also, since you know Milito better than most. Who would you compare his style to in England and do you consider him a lethal finisher and does he have the talent to unlock defenses? I've only seen a few games of him on TV and he looks almost like Berbatov in style, perhaps not as skillful as him, but a cool finisher and his decision making/game intelligence looks excellent. Also, is he good in the air?

He would appear to be the type of payer Rafa would go for since he is not a renound name in world football, Rafa always emphasises the point about motivation and the desire to prove something also.

by **Sabre** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:09 pm

Sabre, which clubs in Spain don't have financial problems?. It seems that other than Barca and Madrid, almost every other club has some sort of financial problem. How do you see that affecting La Liga in the long term in terms of retaining talent and the quality of the league?

All the liga clubs have financial troubles, except Madrid, who when they have a big debt, somehow it dissapears (with political corruption) and Barcelona. Barcelona anyway demanded their players to cut their wages not that long ago, so they're not well neither.

The question is, which teams are especially badly in debts? As far as I've learnt, among the important ones, Zaragoza and Deportivo.

Sevilla have sold a lot, and have improved their finances, so they might not keep selling.

Valencia and Atletico de Madrid are also rumoured to need to sell, but unlike Zaragoza and Deportivo cases, I don't know what's the real state of the debt (In Zaragoza and Deportivo it was known this season due to stockholders public meeting).

Also, since you know Milito better than most. Who would you compare his style to in England and do you consider him a lethal finisher and does he have the talent to unlock defenses? I've only seen a few games of him on TV and he looks almost like Berbatov in style, perhaps not as skillful as him, but a cool finisher and his decision making/game intelligence looks excellent. Also, is he good in the air?

For a Argentinian, he's good in the air. I mean he knows the basics of how to do harm heading. In corners for instance if he's close to the keeper he knows "picar", that is, the word you use to those headers that seek the ball bounces on front of the keeper so that it's more difficult to stop. Up to down header, if you see what I mean. He attacks nicely the ball heading, but he's not a master header like John Aldridge was.
Decent/good header.

As for comparisons... :blush:

I only watch LFC games, and unless I see a complete game more than once, I focus in our team, and I only look the opposition as a whole, how they deploy in the pitch. SO I don't remember most of the opposition players in the english league, if I have to be honest, and since I don't like too much judging by youtube, and I need more than 6 complete games to make a decent judgement, the likes of Bervatov, Ashton, Bent are pretty unknown to me, except for your comments.

Milito is a goal poacher. If he gets the proper service, he'll score lots. If he's made to work as our current strikers, he won't score that much, because EVERYTHING he does is to be in the correct place to finnish the play, he does not much of build up play.

He would appear to be the type of payer Rafa would go for since he is not a renound name in world football, Rafa always emphasises the point about motivation and the desire to prove something also.

Well players are not reknown until they start to be. Palermo the Boca striker came under big expectations and did nothing. Aguero, yet another Argentinian starlet, came as a big name and ended up in the Atletico bench this season.

Milito instead, came as a decent striker and he has IMHO put Zaragoza where they are now. Yes, other seasons, Savio was important, D'Alessandro has been important, that defensive midfielder they have, Zapater, is an Alonso but more defensive and worse long passing, but the man that has made them bigger, is Milito IMHO.

Ewerthon, another good striker they have, has been benched a lot due to that.

by **whylongball?** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:23 pm

from what i see of the youtube link posted by Scott,Milito is decent finisher with a lot of decent service from both wings. So if we get him, its still not enough..In fact Crouch could score more if he gets better service. My point is a finisher or a finisher with flair? (i am not saying Milito is short of flair cos i cant judge from the short clip...just didnt see any goal he created by himself)

by **The Manhattan Project** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:12 am

Not sure if Milito, like Morientes, can adapt to the Prem.

But I'd prefer we sign him over Darren Bent

by **Penguins** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:17 am

I'm not a big fan of Milito. Really not a great shot, does jack all outside the box. Is also quite one footed.

I'd rather have Bent, Owen or Forlan than him who are all faster, has a much better strike of the ball. They can also get involved in play outside of the box.

I'm no fan of the 10+1 tactic which means 10 players work like a team while 1 player waits to put in the garbage and does not much else.

The goal poacher who does nothing but wait to put the ball in the net is a romantic dream from the past when you could afford to let 1 player do only that.
Not so sure it will work in today's game.
Look at Henry or Drogba. They are the modern top strikers.
They make the whole back 4 busy, runs at defenders, shoots, everything.

by **LFC #1** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:14 am

Penguins wrote:The goal poacher who does nothing but wait to put the ball in the net is a romantic dream from the past when you could afford to let 1 player do only that.
Not so sure it will work in today's game.
Look at Henry or Drogba. They are the modern top strikers.
They make the whole back 4 busy, runs at defenders, shoots, everything.

Disagree, Ronaldo is a great example. Adriano's workrate is hardly inspiring either and Van Nistelrooy (although his workrate isn't terrible).

Want a Liverpool example, how about Robbie?

If anything I think we lack this sort of player, a real goalscorer.

by **Penguins** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:18 am

Well, I still disagree.
You need more in today's game

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