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by **ivor_the_injun** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:41 pm

Don't forget, the likes of Eto'o, Tevez and Malouda have signed for anyone else, so it's not like anyone's beating us to the punch with these players.

F*cking Mancs. This is all their fault. :laugh:

by **The Specialist** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:42 pm

shanks wrote:i am afraid if we can only buy squad players instead of quality players we have not got a cat in hells chance of winning the premiership 4th or 3rd position at best next season.

I agree with this.

While I think players such as Bent and Benayoun would improve the squad overall, they aren't the type of players where you say "They always have to start when fit."

I would be deeply disappointed if these are the type of targets we are looking at this summer, and ended up having to settle for in the end.

by **shanks** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:44 pm

Ciggy very good post my thoughts are the same as yours :;):

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:56 pm

ivor_the_injun wrote:What I don't want this thread to do is bring everyone down - I genuinely don't think we have particularly limited funds, and the current silence is almost certainly down to protracted discussions with players.

Let's face it - you don't put two strikers on the market if you don't have the means to at least adequately replace them. We're not a selling club.

Patience, patience, patience! It really is still very early days in the window. I think the Mancs early deals have rattled a lot of people - if their big 3 deals hadn't happened, I think this board would be a hell of a lot calmer.

I think our impatience has more to do with Rafa's rant about transfers after the CL final than what the mancs have done. Same thing happened last season, Rafa said he wanted to complete his transfers before the world cup started, we were still buying players after the PL had started.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:00 pm

More was made of that rant than was actually the case, from what I've heard. First of all it wasn't really a rant - just some unguarded remarks of the kind you don't really hear from him.

He wants time with his new players before the new season, is the crux of it. There's still absolutely ages to go before that becomes an issue.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:09 pm

I'm not sure about that mate, the way I read it, he had two players who he wanted to sign that he thought we could get for a reasonable price if we could do the deal there and then, but because he couldnt others would come in and the price would go up.

Maybe the two were Maluda and Bent? In which case I am not that bothered myself, but if Rafa wanted them he should have been in a position to get them.

by **crillylfc** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:16 pm

tottaly off the point i know but......we want tevez and west ham want bellamy.......wud it ever accour to rafa ta offer money and bellamy for tevez!!makes scense to me!!

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:25 pm

A deal like that wouldn't work.

West Ham stand to see pretty much none of the money that a Tevez transfer would generate - there'll be no way Tevez's owners would let him leave for a reduced fee, even if doing so would be in his club's interests. It's all about the big fee as far as they're concerned.

by **flamingpoe** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:35 pm

i dont think tevez is worth 30mil tho that is a bit of a overated price bracket for a good player, but for 30mil u wud expect alot more class than tevez

by **Scottbot** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:33 pm

bigmick wrote:Right, what if the players we are going to sign this Summer are the likes of Darren Bent, Yossi Benayoun, Matt Taylor, Curtis Davis, Roy Carroll etc etc. What if there isn't going to be enough money to buy real superstars. Will it mean we are struggling to finish even in the top four

If that is the case it probably means we are fooked, unless we have a couple of budding young superstars hiding in the youth teams. If Rafa doesn't get the backing he craves this summer i'd bet on him saying 'adios' and heading to Madrid this time next year, simple as that really. However, i'm still hopeful there is a decent transfer pot for the boss to spend. There's no point revising stadium plans to increase capacity if you're not serious about creating the team required to fill it on cold Wednesday nights against the likes of Wigan and Bolton. The truth is that no-one knows how much money there is to spend. All the initial talk of a huge transfer war-chest was pretty much fuelled by a couple of interviews from Hicks. And now we are reading stories to say there is no REAL money there at all. Once again this has simply been fuelled by our lack of tranfer activity (so far) and a couple of comments from Gillette.

I simply can't believe that Darren Bent is the summit of our ambitions this off-season. We have read how Rafa has had some very positive meetings with the owners over the last couple of months and that he was very happy with the outcome (he must have been to turn down Madrid again.) I can't imagine that he would be happy to be told he needed to sell first or that 13/14 million was the maximum he would be able to shell out on anyone player.

It's really difficult to play the waiting game plus ignore all the :censored:

in the press because we are all so desperate to see some big players come in but i'm trying to remain patient and see what happens once La Liga spells the official end to the football season in Europe.

And as for Benayoun, I wouldn't panic everyone. I'm happy with Pennant or Gerrard on the right but he would be a useful player to have in the squad. If we then look to spend a similar amount on a player for the left wing, that's when it's time to worry!

by **66-1112520797** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:35 pm

Scottbot wrote:
bigmick wrote:Right, what if the players we are going to sign this Summer are the likes of Darren Bent, Yossi Benayoun, Matt Taylor, Curtis Davis, Roy Carroll etc etc. What if there isn't going to be enough money to buy real superstars. Will it mean we are struggling to finish even in the top four

If that is the case it probably means we are fooked, unless we have a couple of budding young superstars hiding in the youth teams. If Rafa doesn't get the backing he craves this summer i'd bet on him saying 'adios' and heading to Madrid this time next year, simple as that really. However, i'm still hopeful there is a decent transfer pot for the boss to spend. There's no point revising stadium plans to increase capacity if you're not serious about creating the team required to fill it on cold Wednesday nights against the likes of Wigan and Bolton. The truth is that no-one knows how much money there is to spend. All the initial talk of a huge transfer war-chest was pretty much fuelled by a couple of interviews from Hicks. And now we are reading stories to say there is no REAL money there at all. Once again this has simply been fuelled by our lack of tranfer activity (so far) and a couple of comments from Gillette.

I simply can't believe that Darren Bent is the summit of our ambitions this off-season. We have read how Rafa has had some very positive meetings with the owners over the last couple of months and that he was very happy with the outcome (he must have been to turn down Madrid again.) I can't imagine that he would be happy to be told he needed to sell first or that 13/14 million was the maximum he would be able to shell out on anyone player.

It's really difficult to play the waiting game plus ignore all the in the press because we are all so desperate to see some big players come in but i'm trying to remain patient and see what happens once La Liga spells the official end to the football season in Europe.

And as for Benayoun, I wouldn't panic everyone. I'm happy with Pennant or Gerrard on the right but he would be a useful player to have in the squad. If we then look to spend a similar amount on a player for the left wing, that's when it's time to worry!

Nice post mate, very level headed.

I'll try and take a note out of your book, until I've at least seen who we've signed.

by **Scottbot** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:43 pm

Bamaga man wrote:I'll try and take a note out of your book, until I've at least seen who we've signed.

Not bloody easy is it! But, yeah, deep breath needed i think, see how things stand in 7-10 days. Doesn't mean i didn't sh.i.t meself when i saw that Bent had turned down West Ham though!

by **Sabre** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:07 pm

Scottbot wrote:
bigmick wrote:Right, what if the players we are going to sign this Summer are the likes of Darren Bent, Yossi Benayoun, Matt Taylor, Curtis Davis, Roy Carroll etc etc. What if there isn't going to be enough money to buy real superstars. Will it mean we are struggling to finish even in the top four

If that is the case it probably means we are fooked, unless we have a couple of budding young superstars hiding in the youth teams. If Rafa doesn't get the backing he craves this summer i'd bet on him saying 'adios' and heading to Madrid this time next year, simple as that really. However, i'm still hopeful there is a decent transfer pot for the boss to spend.

Yes Scott, it's as simple as that. And it's one of the reasons why I don't think that's going to happen. Meaning the real specialists in promising and then not delivering are Real Madrid and many Spanish clubs. I'd bet my house Rafa could smell one of those chairmen to a mile, and if it was the case, he would have left.

Anyhow, if we're discussing this case, we can count on Rafa going maybe even before the season ends, he'd just have to tell Real Madrid to pay the compensation for breaking the contract (quite usual here) and that's it.

by **Bad Bob** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:07 pm

Personally, I think the recent 'more modest' names we are being linked to is a big smokescreen to mask the fact that we're negotiating for some true quality behind the scenes. I mean, when was the last time you've heard of us confirming a transfer rumour rather than announcing the deal once it's done? Yet, that's apparently what Parry has done with Benayoun, which leads me to think that the plan is to let the press run with that and think we have no money, in order to help with the negotiations for Malouda, Simao, Tevez or whoever. That's not to say that Benayoun won't be signed...he may indeed be brought in but I really don't think he is the height of our ambitions this summer (and I'd be very surprised if we signed Bent, TBH...that one's pure smokescreen and/or paper talk, for me).

Anyway, to address the original hypothetical question, I think we'll still be a better team next season even if Bent and Beanyoun are all we sign. Presuming Kewell and Garcia are fit, we'll have better attacking flair available. Pennant and Kuyt will have bedded in and will hit the ground running. The same's true of Bellamy, who I'm sure we'd keep in this scenario. With a little less rotation, a kinder fixture list and a better attitude to playing games away from home, I think we can definitely get back to the form of 2005-2006--which should keep us in touching distance for the title race. But, of course, we'd have to be firing on all cylinders for the whole 9-month season--and probably need to back-burner all the cup comps--in order to have a hope of winning the title with the squad proposed. Should we sign just 1-2 players to improve the starting 11, however, I think we'd have the strength-in-depth to have a real go at the title.

I'm still confident that we'll sign a quality winger (such as Malouda, Simao or Silva etc.) and a quality striker (such as Tevez, Owen or Milito) this window. I'll say it again, this current murmer that there's no money for top transfers is just a smokescreen! :cool:

by **66-1112520797** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:20 pm

Personally, I think the recent 'more modest' names we are being linked to is a big smokescreen to mask the fact that we're negotiating for some true quality behind the scenes. I mean, when was the last time you've heard of us confirming a transfer rumour rather than announcing the deal once it's done? Yet, that's apparently what Parry has done with Benayoun, which leads me to think that the plan is to let the press run with that and think we have no money, in order to help with the negotiations for Malouda, Simao, Tevez or whoever. That's not to say that Benayoun won't be signed...he may indeed be brought in but I really don't think he is the height of our ambitions this summer (and I'd be very surprised if we signed Bent, TBH...that one's pure smokescreen and/or paper talk, for me).

If thats true I doubt Parry would of thought that one up himself.

I think we'll still be a better team next season even if Bent and Beanyoun are all we sign.

I dont. Neither are better than what we've got, Kewell and Garcia I dont think Youssi would be an improvement on them, let or lone the team, squad possibly. I dont think Bent would be an improvement on Crouch either, again he'd improved the squad but certainly not the team. Thats what we have to improve on substantially if we're to win the league, the signing of quality players.

I hope your right about the smokescreen you could be on to something IMO, even if I am only hoping it.

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