Liverpool FC Forum

by **stapo1000** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:59 am

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In 15 years or so we've never signed a player who was proven world class because we hadn't the muscle to compete with man u and chelsea in the transfer market.i dont know if hicks and gillet will change this. we're just gonna have to wait and see but also have to be patient.
we're only half way through the month of june and people are already panicking because rafa hasn't turned our squad into a group of world beaters. give the man time. he's already got 4 top class players to sign long term deals which in fairness is as good as making new signings.

by **cpc4eva** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:31 am

s@int wrote:Again that in part is down to them saying whoever Rafa wants we will get, or words to that effect.I don't believe Bent, Forlan etc were Rafa's first choices, and probably not even his second. As with the disappointing news about the stadium, things seem to be less than we had hoped.

wats the disappointing news about the stadium i havnt heard the news as yet....?

:buttrock

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:30 am

well it seems we have all been getting excited for nothing, once again nothing is happening, rafa has been telling us what we needed, now he is saying we dont need when its obvious we do need.

getting p*ssed off with all now

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:17 am

cpc4eva wrote:
s@int wrote:Again that in part is down to them saying whoever Rafa wants we will get, or words to that effect.I don't believe Bent, Forlan etc were Rafa's first choices, and probably not even his second. As with the disappointing news about the stadium, things seem to be less than we had hoped.

wats the disappointing news about the stadium i havnt heard the news as yet....?

Last I heard from Parry, we are back to having a 61k stadium not the high 70's that Hicks and Gillett were talking about. We may get the option to increase to 66k later.

by **NiftyNeil** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:31 am

I thought it was 68K with the optiion to expand.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:48 am

NiftyNeil wrote:I thought it was 68K with the optiion to expand.

At the RTK Q&A session Parry said its back to 61k now because of planning permission. They hope to increase this to 66k at a later date.

The Revised design requires a fresh planning application, to by pass the majority of the delays and objections, the capacity will remain the same, ie 61k, however Parry said the KOP was stunning and it will be around 19k in capacity. The reason why the 61k is the same, is because all the transport infrastructure issues & objections have been looked at & from what I can gather this will allow us to get approval to start building ASAP.

ripped from RAWK

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:23 am

yes, when we start building it is easier to change the permsission at that point, rather than before building as they then may ask for a complete review of the plans

by **Sabre** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:28 am

Well, many are expecting a big name ala Villa or Eto'o.

This is what Mesalles, Eto'o agent says.

"Eto'o is one of the best players of the world, when they really want him, they'll come for him"

"About his future, everything is open and nothing is discarded, but he has a contract, and he has the will to fulfill it. Another different thing is what the club plans to do with him".

"Right now, we don't have *any* offer over the table, and if we received one, we'd forward it for the club, as they're the ones they have to decide. We want to stay".

"Eto'o has an excellent relationship with Henry, and if he eventually comes it would encourage Eto'o even more to continue in this project".

So when it comes to Eto'o, nobody seems to have put a serious offer over the table, and I think it's just natural to wait til the liga ends. Not only for Liverpool, but also for Milan and anybody else. We'll see then if the megabucks are real or just monopoly bills.

As for the other big name Villa He has answered to INTERVIU a local press this:

Question: I see you out of Valencia next season.

Answer: There are so many rumours going on, that it seems just natural that I'm going to leave next season. I cannot say 100% because this is football, but I have many possibilities to stay in Valencia.

I think this two players will move if the offers are BIG. As in BIG. So far, it hasn't been the time to put the money over the table, but it will be very soon, and we'll see what the americans are made of.

by **flamingpoe** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:28 pm

i think personally that etoo might leave barca, but as to villa i just cant believe that he wont leave valencia well unless he see's that they aint ever gonna get n e where, although personally if i got etoo i wud probs wanna make vicente come we do need a very good left midder and personally vicente wud be a good option :P!!!

by **The_Rock** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:10 pm

Nothing to do....so just thought i would create a little myhem here...

http://www.anfieldroad.com/news/latest/2007106/a20291716b.html

Reports tonight suggest that Liverpool boss Rafael Benítez has been given details of his budget by the club's new owners - and it doesn't make pleasant reading. Rafa lost his cool the morning after the Champions League final when he complained about a lack of urgency from the new owners and the chief executive over both signing new players and getting his core players to commit to new contracts.

He's now going to lose his cool again after being told by the new owners that they are refusing to add any extra funds of their own to the transfer kitty. Rafa's budget will be made up of money from selling players, prize money from the Champions League, money from ticket sales and so on. The same budget as every summer.

Last week we saw Carragher, Gerrard, Alonso and Reina all sign new four and five year deals, and all four spoke of their excitement that the club was moving forward. But Rafael Benítez has been confiding to some about his unhappiness in relation to the way he's being spoken to. Promises of support are all well and good, but Rafa wanted actions not words. He started to get the impression that the likes of Samuel Eto'o and Carlos Tevez were out of reach, and started to get a list together of players costing between £15m and £18m.

Eto'o and Tevez, at their quoted fees, are now definitely out of reach. But even the players in the £15m category seem to be out of reach.I t seems Rafa will have to sell before he can buy. There's no indication of where the extra TV money has gone, nor any explanation as to why the owners are now going against all their hints of supporting the manager in his plans by supplying him with extra money.

The new owners are claiming privately that Rafa is happy with the news he has no money to spend after all. That's quite untrue, Rafa is said to be fuming to put it bluntly. Keep in mind that last summer's purchase of Dirk Kuyt was made possible by David Moores lending the club the money to pay the transfer fee. In effect Liverpool will have less money than last summer, unless the new TV money is handed to Rafa.

These stories are leaking from various directions, all is not well inside Anfield. What hasn't yet been revealed is the excuse that the new owners will use for going back on all they said.

Meanwhile, back across the Atlantic, George Gillett has been speaking to the Montreal Gazette about Liverpool FC. He talks about spending money on the club, but not in the way he was talking about it earlier in the year: "As far back as February, Rafa laid out a program for us," says Gillett. "Each one of our sports businesses has a core concept. You can't just flop around looking at opportunities here and there, go left, go right. It has to be part of an integrated plan. We have one at Liverpool, as we have with the Canadiens, one we understand 100 per cent, believe in and support. The plan involves us spending money, but it will be part of a plan, not just spending like a drunken sailor."

Hang on - we didn't expect money to be spent "like a drunken sailor". We expected Rafa to be supported in his plans - the way we were told he would be during all those high-profile interviews with the US pair. Whatever plans Rafa had, they included buying more players to strengthen the weaker areas of the squad. That costs money, but now the tone is changing. Gillett says: "Hockey and soccer are all about teamwork, and Rafa believes in that very strongly. It's the same in almost all of life - it's about partnership, teamwork and communication. It's not all about money."

From all the leaked reports, "communication" from the US has been nothing short of pathetic. Rafa's patience has been tried repeatedly due to an unwillingness from those above him to communicate. And the statement, "It's not all about money," is indeed true, but for Liverpool fans success is all-important. We've grown used to it ever since Bill Shankly shook the club up in the sixties. The modern game is unfortunately pretty much ruled by money. If it wasn't George and Tom wouldn't be here - they'd not have the same interest to start with, but there wouldn't have been the same need to go looking for investment. We expected investment to include a plan where Rafa, or whoever was managing the club, would be able to invest in his squad every transfer window to ensure we were always at least on a par with our rivals. To get on a par with our rivals though we needed a boost, some extra money to gets us a few steps closer to those ahead of us. Money, plus Rafa's expertise, could bring us the league title we so desperately want. It now seems that the new owners have lied about the money. And if there's one thing Liverpool fans do not like it's being lied to or lied about. Rafa Benítez is much the same.

Liverpool fans were delighted to see the club reach the Champions League final in Athens, but other than the Charity Shield won last August, and the FA Youth Cup won by the youngsters, it's been a trophyless season. Gillett considers it was a successful season: "In all candour, the Gillett and Hicks families have to say we've been pretty lucky to arrive on the scene and enjoy this first-season success," he said. "It's heady and a lot of fun, but it sure would be a mistake for us to try to act like we had anything to do with it. This is the work of David Moores and Rick Parry and Rafa and the players. We were the fortunate beneficiaries of circumstance."

If the stories turn out to be true and the new owners have mislead fans over the amounts of funds Rafa would be given, they might find themselves beneficiaries of something they wouldn't class as fortunate. As they saw in the semi-final of the Champions League at Chelsea, you don't want to get on the wrong side of Liverpool fans.

Perhaps Tom and George would be so good to have a re-think on their plans, or to at least have the decency to tell their new club's supporters the truth. No carefully-chosen words, just honesty.

by **puroresu** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:15 pm

The_Rock wrote:Nothing to do....so just thought i would create a little myhem here...

http://www.anfieldroad.com/news/latest/2007106/a20291716b.html

Reports tonight suggest that Liverpool boss Rafael Benítez has been given details of his budget by the club's new owners - and it doesn't make pleasant reading. Rafa lost his cool the morning after the Champions League final when he complained about a lack of urgency from the new owners and the chief executive over both signing new players and getting his core players to commit to new contracts.

He's now going to lose his cool again after being told by the new owners that they are refusing to add any extra funds of their own to the transfer kitty. Rafa's budget will be made up of money from selling players, prize money from the Champions League, money from ticket sales and so on. The same budget as every summer.

Last week we saw Carragher, Gerrard, Alonso and Reina all sign new four and five year deals, and all four spoke of their excitement that the club was moving forward. But Rafael Benítez has been confiding to some about his unhappiness in relation to the way he's being spoken to. Promises of support are all well and good, but Rafa wanted actions not words. He started to get the impression that the likes of Samuel Eto'o and Carlos Tevez were out of reach, and started to get a list together of players costing between £15m and £18m.

Eto'o and Tevez, at their quoted fees, are now definitely out of reach. But even the players in the £15m category seem to be out of reach.I t seems Rafa will have to sell before he can buy. There's no indication of where the extra TV money has gone, nor any explanation as to why the owners are now going against all their hints of supporting the manager in his plans by supplying him with extra money.

The new owners are claiming privately that Rafa is happy with the news he has no money to spend after all. That's quite untrue, Rafa is said to be fuming to put it bluntly. Keep in mind that last summer's purchase of Dirk Kuyt was made possible by David Moores lending the club the money to pay the transfer fee. In effect Liverpool will have less money than last summer, unless the new TV money is handed to Rafa.

These stories are leaking from various directions, all is not well inside Anfield. What hasn't yet been revealed is the excuse that the new owners will use for going back on all they said.

Meanwhile, back across the Atlantic, George Gillett has been speaking to the Montreal Gazette about Liverpool FC. He talks about spending money on the club, but not in the way he was talking about it earlier in the year: "As far back as February, Rafa laid out a program for us," says Gillett. "Each one of our sports businesses has a core concept. You can't just flop around looking at opportunities here and there, go left, go right. It has to be part of an integrated plan. We have one at Liverpool, as we have with the Canadiens, one we understand 100 per cent, believe in and support. The plan involves us spending money, but it will be part of a plan, not just spending like a drunken sailor."

Hang on - we didn't expect money to be spent "like a drunken sailor". We expected Rafa to be supported in his plans - the way we were told he would be during all those high-profile interviews with the US pair. Whatever plans Rafa had, they included buying more players to strengthen the weaker areas of the squad. That costs money, but now the tone is changing. Gillett says: "Hockey and soccer are all about teamwork, and Rafa believes in that very strongly. It's the same in almost all of life - it's about partnership, teamwork and communication. It's not all about money."

From all the leaked reports, "communication" from the US has been nothing short of pathetic. Rafa's patience has been tried repeatedly due to an unwillingness from those above him to communicate. And the statement, "It's not all about money," is indeed true, but for Liverpool fans success is all-important. We've grown used to it ever since Bill Shankly shook the club up in the sixties. The modern game is unfortunately pretty much ruled by money. If it wasn't George and Tom wouldn't be here - they'd not have the same interest to start with, but there wouldn't have been the same need to go looking for investment. We expected investment to include a plan where Rafa, or whoever was managing the club, would be able to invest in his squad every transfer window to ensure we were always at least on a par with our rivals. To get on a par with our rivals though we needed a boost, some extra money to gets us a few steps closer to those ahead of us. Money, plus Rafa's expertise, could bring us the league title we so desperately want. It now seems that the new owners have lied about the money. And if there's one thing Liverpool fans do not like it's being lied to or lied about. Rafa Benítez is much the same.

Liverpool fans were delighted to see the club reach the Champions League final in Athens, but other than the Charity Shield won last August, and the FA Youth Cup won by the youngsters, it's been a trophyless season. Gillett considers it was a successful season: "In all candour, the Gillett and Hicks families have to say we've been pretty lucky to arrive on the scene and enjoy this first-season success," he said. "It's heady and a lot of fun, but it sure would be a mistake for us to try to act like we had anything to do with it. This is the work of David Moores and Rick Parry and Rafa and the players. We were the fortunate beneficiaries of circumstance."

If the stories turn out to be true and the new owners have mislead fans over the amounts of funds Rafa would be given, they might find themselves beneficiaries of something they wouldn't class as fortunate. As they saw in the semi-final of the Champions League at Chelsea, you don't want to get on the wrong side of Liverpool fans.

Perhaps Tom and George would be so good to have a re-think on their plans, or to at least have the decency to tell their new club's supporters the truth. No carefully-chosen words, just honesty.

Nobody really knows how much there is to spend. A lot of negative reports coming out of Anfield and I really hope its all BS. If the Yanks dont produce the money then I will want to know why were DIC rejected?

by **Simari** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:20 pm

Maybe the Americans were looking to how Arsenal conducted business with the new stadium in mind.

But that means, we as fans have to be willing to wait a few more years to reap the benefits of revenue from an increased stadium capacity - i.e. the financial clout to buy world class players.

Then again, it is just my hypothesis.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:22 pm

puroresu wrote: If the Yanks dont produce the money then I will want to know why were DIC rejected?

DIC pulled out of the deal because Moores would not accept the deadline they imposed for a decision to be made.

by **puroresu** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:24 pm

Simari wrote:Maybe the Americans were looking to how Arsenal conducted business with the new stadium in mind.

But that means, we as fans have to be willing to wait a few more years to reap the benefits of revenue from an increased stadium capacity - i.e. the financial clout to buy world class players.

Then again, it is just my hypothesis.

What if the CL allocation is cut to 3 sides. I really dont want risk not qualifying for the CL.

I cant believe the club couldnt afford Kuyt and it took Moores to pay for the transfer.

by **The_Rock** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:24 pm

Guys...(and gals)....

Like i said before, if the worst happens (ie...we don't get anyone)...we still have a good squad of players. Hopefully rafa doesn't sell bellamy and kewell though as i still think these are two of our most technically gifted players.....

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