Now I know they are similar players (small, nippy, etc) but you think he would have mentioned Tevez unless he knows he is off somewhere
Big name signing? - Remember what hicks said yesterday.....
by RedWolf35 » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:56 pm
sorry for being a numpty and not being able to post the link - on Sly Sports Danny Gaab has just said that he really wants Bellamy there and how he would work with Ashton (no mention of Tevez).
Now I know they are similar players (small, nippy, etc) but you think he would have mentioned Tevez unless he knows he is off somewhere
Now I know they are similar players (small, nippy, etc) but you think he would have mentioned Tevez unless he knows he is off somewhere
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by The K0P » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:22 pm
Lastest thinking is that Tevez will join us on loan for a year with the option to buy after that .... manure only realised this was on offer a few days ago ... this will leave mega funds for Eto after the La Liga finishes this weekend more on this on Liverpool tv thread
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by bigmick » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:41 pm
LFC2007 wrote:You can bet if someone started a thread titled "Rafa's rotation" Mick would be the first to pop up and explain his point AGAIN!!!
Oh feck someone has seen through my cunning ruse
I'll have to just like Xabi have another look at my mudus operendi. LFC2007 has only been here a couple of months and he's already seen through my "just keep repeating yourself and sooner or later they'll all be won over!!" technique. What's worse is he's already realised I'm not just repetitive, I'm a boring old fart who likes the sound of his own voice ta boot. Easily the worse thing of all is of course that he's 100% correct
I'm almost as gutted as I am by the fact that nobody has even noticed my little signature thing under JohnnyMac's brilliant "BIGMICK" artwork. It was actually inspired by LFC2007's I.D.L.O.R (I don't like over rotation or something like that). Anyways, I must confess the first time Rafa changes the starting eleven even if somebodies got a broken lef FFS! (in my day they just played on with those
) I'll be moaning about rotation. Welsh Wizard and his Unle Albert aren't the only predictable ones around here.Last edited by bigmick on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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by LFC2007 » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:53 pm
bigmick wrote:LFC2007 wrote:You can bet if someone started a thread titled "Rafa's rotation" Mick would be the first to pop up and explain his point AGAIN!!!
Oh feck someone has seen through my cunning ruse
What's worse is he's already realised I'm not just repetitive, I'm a boring old fart who likes the sound of his own voice ta boot. Easily the worse thing of all is of course that he's 100% correct
I'm almost as gutted as I am by the fact that nobody has even noticed my little signature thing under JohnnyMac's brilliant "BIGMICK" artwork. It was actually inspired by LFC2007's I.D.L.O.R (I don't like over rotation or something like that). Anyways, I must confess the first time Rafa changes the starting eleven even if somebodies got a broken lef FFS! (in my day they just played on with those
So what d'ya think about Rafa's rotation policy last season?
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by Sabre » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:09 pm
Yes, the Spanish league is not the Armenia, Austria or Belgium league.
There has been a "star exchange" between the two leagues the last decade. On one direction, the likes of VanHorstelroy, Owen, McManaman (I'll include this one among the best of the best), or David Beckham.
On the other direction the likes of Makelele or Alonso, or the less succesful ones like Morientes or Del Porno.
It's only natural this exchange continues, although it seems nowadays England buys more than sells. So it seems the end of the Spanish league will trigger a couple of things in the market, yes.
Another good thing is that Liverpool has nowadays things to trade. Names like Luis Garcia or Sissoko, have a name, a reputation, and accordingly a good value in the market. Names like Biscan, or Traore, not that much.
There has been a "star exchange" between the two leagues the last decade. On one direction, the likes of VanHorstelroy, Owen, McManaman (I'll include this one among the best of the best), or David Beckham.
On the other direction the likes of Makelele or Alonso, or the less succesful ones like Morientes or Del Porno.
It's only natural this exchange continues, although it seems nowadays England buys more than sells. So it seems the end of the Spanish league will trigger a couple of things in the market, yes.
Another good thing is that Liverpool has nowadays things to trade. Names like Luis Garcia or Sissoko, have a name, a reputation, and accordingly a good value in the market. Names like Biscan, or Traore, not that much.
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by aCe' » Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:32 pm
Gillett denies talk of crisis as Liverpool lower sights
Oliver Kay
Rafael BenÍtez, the Liverpool manager, has demanded actions rather than words from the new owners at Anfield, but with the club’s summer being dominated by unrest behind the scenes rather than the top-class signings he was hoping for, their supporters may be partly reassured by yesterday’s address from George Gillett Jr.
BenÍtez is known to have been disgruntled by the lack of progress in his search for reinforcements, particularly in view of Manchester United’s projected £55 million outlay on three new players. The Spaniard has expressed displeasure in conference calls with Rick Parry, the chief executive, and Gillett and Tom Hicks, the co-owners, whose working relationship is not running smoothly, but Gillett moved to defuse the crisis talk yesterday in characteristically colourful terms.
“I read that Rafa is throwing hand-grenades at us and making demands, that there’s a tension or disagreement between him and the Gillett and Hicks families,” Gillett said. “Nothing could be farther from the truth. As far back as February, Rafa laid out a programme for us. Each one of our sports businesses has a core concept. You can’t just flop around looking at opportunities here and there, go left, go right. It has to be part of an integrated plan.
“We have one at Liverpool, one we understand 100 per cent, believe in and support. The plan involves us spending money, but it will be part of a plan, not just spending like a drunken sailor.”
BenÍtez has come to accept that the Americans’ promise of support in the transfer market does not equate to the blank chequebook that he envisaged after his initial conversations. That feeling was reinforced at the weekend, when it emerged that a shopping list previously headed by Samuel Eto’o, the Barcelona forward, includes less inspiring names such as Diego Forlán, the Villarreal striker whose name was synonymous with profligacy during 2½ unsuccessful seasons with Manchester United.
Talks are continuing behind the scenes with a view to signing at least one top-class winger – possibly Mancini, of AS Roma, or Florent Malouda, of Lyons, although the latter is also courting interest from Arsenal and Chelsea – and a centre forward, but these talks have not always been harmonious.
While much has been made of tension between BenÍtez and Parry, particularly about the time of the Champions League final , there have also been disagreements between Gillett and Hicks over the money they should be making available to strengthen the squad.
It is increasingly clear to BenÍtez that his transfer kitty this summer will be more modest than he thought when he was making plans to sign Eto’o. He is also likely to have to look beyond his secondary targets – such as Carlos Tévez, of West Ham United, Fernando Torres, of Atlético Madrid, and David Villa, of Valencia – to a list that includes forwards such as David Trezeguet, of Juventus, Darren Bent, of Charlton Athletic, Diego Milito, of Real Zaragoza and Forlán. There is support within the club for a bid to resign Michael Owen from Newcastle United, but BenÍtez is cool on the matter.
Much will depend on the amount of funding BenÍtez is able to raise by selling players. Negotiations are continuing with Marseilles this week over a deal for Djibril Cissé, who spent last season on loan to the French club and is also attracting interest from Bolton Wanderers, while Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers and West Ham United have registered strong interest in Craig Bellamy.
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Oliver Kay
Rafael BenÍtez, the Liverpool manager, has demanded actions rather than words from the new owners at Anfield, but with the club’s summer being dominated by unrest behind the scenes rather than the top-class signings he was hoping for, their supporters may be partly reassured by yesterday’s address from George Gillett Jr.
BenÍtez is known to have been disgruntled by the lack of progress in his search for reinforcements, particularly in view of Manchester United’s projected £55 million outlay on three new players. The Spaniard has expressed displeasure in conference calls with Rick Parry, the chief executive, and Gillett and Tom Hicks, the co-owners, whose working relationship is not running smoothly, but Gillett moved to defuse the crisis talk yesterday in characteristically colourful terms.
“I read that Rafa is throwing hand-grenades at us and making demands, that there’s a tension or disagreement between him and the Gillett and Hicks families,” Gillett said. “Nothing could be farther from the truth. As far back as February, Rafa laid out a programme for us. Each one of our sports businesses has a core concept. You can’t just flop around looking at opportunities here and there, go left, go right. It has to be part of an integrated plan.
“We have one at Liverpool, one we understand 100 per cent, believe in and support. The plan involves us spending money, but it will be part of a plan, not just spending like a drunken sailor.”
BenÍtez has come to accept that the Americans’ promise of support in the transfer market does not equate to the blank chequebook that he envisaged after his initial conversations. That feeling was reinforced at the weekend, when it emerged that a shopping list previously headed by Samuel Eto’o, the Barcelona forward, includes less inspiring names such as Diego Forlán, the Villarreal striker whose name was synonymous with profligacy during 2½ unsuccessful seasons with Manchester United.
Talks are continuing behind the scenes with a view to signing at least one top-class winger – possibly Mancini, of AS Roma, or Florent Malouda, of Lyons, although the latter is also courting interest from Arsenal and Chelsea – and a centre forward, but these talks have not always been harmonious.
While much has been made of tension between BenÍtez and Parry, particularly about the time of the Champions League final , there have also been disagreements between Gillett and Hicks over the money they should be making available to strengthen the squad.
It is increasingly clear to BenÍtez that his transfer kitty this summer will be more modest than he thought when he was making plans to sign Eto’o. He is also likely to have to look beyond his secondary targets – such as Carlos Tévez, of West Ham United, Fernando Torres, of Atlético Madrid, and David Villa, of Valencia – to a list that includes forwards such as David Trezeguet, of Juventus, Darren Bent, of Charlton Athletic, Diego Milito, of Real Zaragoza and Forlán. There is support within the club for a bid to resign Michael Owen from Newcastle United, but BenÍtez is cool on the matter.
Much will depend on the amount of funding BenÍtez is able to raise by selling players. Negotiations are continuing with Marseilles this week over a deal for Djibril Cissé, who spent last season on loan to the French club and is also attracting interest from Bolton Wanderers, while Aston Villa, Blackburn Rovers and West Ham United have registered strong interest in Craig Bellamy.
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by RUSHIE#9 » Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:51 pm
Yet more unproven rumours beefed up with a couple of quotes taken from an interview that doesn't really say anything new.
All of this impatience and anxiety has all been created by the press who've got nothing else to do. I'm looking forward to the first major signing if not only for the reason that it'll shut the journo's up for a couple of days with their unfounded rumours.
All of this impatience and anxiety has all been created by the press who've got nothing else to do. I'm looking forward to the first major signing if not only for the reason that it'll shut the journo's up for a couple of days with their unfounded rumours.
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by RedorDead » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:15 am
RUSHIE#9 wrote:Yet more unproven rumours beefed up with a couple of quotes taken from an interview that doesn't really say anything new.
All of this impatience and anxiety has all been created by the press who've got nothing else to do. I'm looking forward to the first major signing if not only for the reason that it'll shut the journo's up for a couple of days with their unfounded rumours.
I agree mate, it's not like anyone else has done any business, is every fan forum saying the same as ours?
I know the Mancs have spent huge on three players, but if we'd spent that money on those three I would be far less happy than I am in our situation, they have have paid way over the odds for Hargreaves and the other two are a massive gamble.
Who else has bought anyone? Bale to Spurs is about the only decent bit of business done so far by ANYONE!!!!
Players are on holiday, the U21 Euro Championships is just underway and Spain havn't even finished their season yet.
I have said it before but the re-signing of Xabi, Gerrard, Carra and Reina is good business and out the way nice and early (unlike previous summers!!) and now Rafa can focus on bringing in new talent, once Spain finish their league we might see some activity but whatever happens to panic about lack of transfers in early June is just plain ridiculous. I do understand that last summer was very disappointing for some and we did leave things far too late but we are all a little wiser, have new owners and I just think we need a little bit of faith to be honest.
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by account deleted by request » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:24 am
Rafa Benitez
"We must improve every department at the club, the sports and the business departments," he said. "If we don't change things right now and understand how crucial this moment is, we will waste one month, two months, two or three targets and then we'll start having to sign third-choice players and we'll have to be only contenders to be in the top four again. Nothing else"
"What do you want; to win the Premier League and the Champions League? The team that won the league this year spent £20m after winning the Premiership on one midfielder. Not a striker, £20m for a midfielder. Chelsea, Arsenal and United are spending money, big money, every year for the last five or 10 years. That means there is a big difference. We finished third with 82 points, a record for this club, but were nine points behind Chelsea. Now we've finished 21 points behind but reached the final of the Champions League because the work-rate of the team is fantastic and it is a knock-out competition. But we cannot keep the team for nine months at this level.
"We have some targets, cheaper [than £20m] but top-class players. We have one or two clear options and we must say: 'Sign him'. We can sign top-class targets for €15m to €20m (£10m-£13m) right now. Maybe we didn't have enough money in the past but now we have new owners who can invest £400m in the club. They want a new stadium full of people. Finishing 21 points behind United is something that, as a manager, you cannot understand. We need to do better things."
Maybe this also has something to do with our impatience?
"We must improve every department at the club, the sports and the business departments," he said. "If we don't change things right now and understand how crucial this moment is, we will waste one month, two months, two or three targets and then we'll start having to sign third-choice players and we'll have to be only contenders to be in the top four again. Nothing else"
"What do you want; to win the Premier League and the Champions League? The team that won the league this year spent £20m after winning the Premiership on one midfielder. Not a striker, £20m for a midfielder. Chelsea, Arsenal and United are spending money, big money, every year for the last five or 10 years. That means there is a big difference. We finished third with 82 points, a record for this club, but were nine points behind Chelsea. Now we've finished 21 points behind but reached the final of the Champions League because the work-rate of the team is fantastic and it is a knock-out competition. But we cannot keep the team for nine months at this level.
"We have some targets, cheaper [than £20m] but top-class players. We have one or two clear options and we must say: 'Sign him'. We can sign top-class targets for €15m to €20m (£10m-£13m) right now. Maybe we didn't have enough money in the past but now we have new owners who can invest £400m in the club. They want a new stadium full of people. Finishing 21 points behind United is something that, as a manager, you cannot understand. We need to do better things."
Maybe this also has something to do with our impatience?
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by RUSHIE#9 » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:36 am
RedorDead wrote:RUSHIE#9 wrote:Yet more unproven rumours beefed up with a couple of quotes taken from an interview that doesn't really say anything new.
All of this impatience and anxiety has all been created by the press who've got nothing else to do. I'm looking forward to the first major signing if not only for the reason that it'll shut the journo's up for a couple of days with their unfounded rumours.
I agree mate, it's not like anyone else has done any business, is every fan forum saying the same as ours?
I know the Mancs have spent huge on three players, but if we'd spent that money on those three I would be far less happy than I am in our situation, they have have paid way over the odds for Hargreaves and the other two are a massive gamble.
Who else has bought anyone? Bale to Spurs is about the only decent bit of business done so far by ANYONE!!!!
Players are on holiday, the U21 Euro Championships is just underway and Spain havn't even finished their season yet.
I have said it before but the re-signing of Xabi, Gerrard, Carra and Reina is good business and out the way nice and early (unlike previous summers!!) and now Rafa can focus on bringing in new talent, once Spain finish their league we might see some activity but whatever happens to panic about lack of transfers in early June is just plain ridiculous. I do understand that last summer was very disappointing for some and we did leave things far too late but we are all a little wiser, have new owners and I just think we need a little bit of faith to be honest.
I think that the one factor that has sort of been over looked in causing this uncertainty and growing unhappiness that we aren't going to be signing the likes of Eto'o, Tevez and co. is that the fans and media have all made the assumption that Rafa is gonna have mega bucks to spend on whoever he wants to.
Gillett, Hicks, Parry nor Rafa have ever come out and declared what kind of budget/players they're gonna be attempting to sign.
Apart from in the passage in s@ints above post!
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by account deleted by request » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:45 am
Again that in part is down to them saying whoever Rafa wants we will get, or words to that effect.I don't believe Bent, Forlan etc were Rafa's first choices, and probably not even his second. As with the disappointing news about the stadium, things seem to be less than we had hoped.
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