Liverpool FC Forum

by **Reg** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:57 am

Refering to Leon's original post:

1. The club is under major attack supposedly because of the fans.
2. UEFA is picking a fight without referng to the FA, and aware that they are also flying in the face the Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal etc..
3. Platini is sending a strong message - you criticise UEFA and we'll come knocking on your door.
4. This is their fight back against British football domination of global sateillite TV which has seen French and German clubs slip back into the dark ages, Italian football stagger and Spanish football knocked off its perch as the most glamour clubs.
5. European clubs are putting pressure on UEFA to quickly do something to stop the current irreversable take over of global club football by english sides.
6. The Takeover of Chelski by the russian, the Glazers at Utd, our new yank owners etc.. injecting hundreds of millions of quid into the english league plus the power of sky tv and star sports in the far east is worrying the hell out of our european neighbours.
7. This is their response, its the first jab in a long fight. They would love to ban us from europe again.
8. LFC must be very, very careful how they respond to this. The boss must meet with Man Utd, Chelsea and the FA in secret to assess the threat and plan a proper response.

Lads I 100% back your plan to form a fanclub/website association but it must be done in full knowledge of what UEFA is doing and trying to achieve and must be fully aligned with the club's official response. No shooting from the hip.

Just my penny's worth, good luck and keep us posted.

by **babu** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:58 am

Leon,

I think peewee is right, this should come from match going reds. However i think you should look into using the FOOTBALL SUPPORTERS FEDERATION as your platform. Thats what they are there for IMO.

Contact person:
Chair: Dr Malcolm Clarke
0161 962 7337 or 07939-594730
malcolm.clarke@fsf.org.uk

or have a look at this pdf for further info:
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by **112-1077774096** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:10 am

good work babu, a recognised federation could add some weight, but we would have to be careful that they dont take our complaints and lump them in with other clubs supporters to add weight for their own agenda

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:10 am

This is not a @rse kissing exercise ,it just makes sense to me that Leon should get the vote.

1) He is a hard core match going red( sefton shed ) .

2) He posts on some of the other sites (continuity)

3) He is very good poster, (when he's not taking the michael)

4) He is very eloquent and can get his point across. (when he has a mind to)

5) He will take no poo .

by **lio** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:05 am

Fans hit back at UEFA claims

Liverpool fans, from the Lord Mayor of the city to the leader of the supporters' group, have attacked UEFA's declaration that the Anfield club have the worst fans in Europe.

The claims will come in a UEFA report to be handed to the Government in the wake of the shameful scenes in Athens at the Champions League final when Liverpool fans were accused of stealing tickets from their fellow supporters, charging the gates to get into the ground without tickets and causing trouble outside the stadium which ended with tear gas being used.

But Liverpool's Lord Mayor Paul Clark has hit back in the Liverpool Daily Post, saying: "UEFA appear to be trying to avoid the blame for the disorganisation of the final. To make matters worse, instead of looking at their own faults UEFA are blaming the people of Liverpool. Saying this is typical of Liverpool fans is unfair and reflects badly on the image of the city."

UEFA, in the wake of Anfield complaints over the way they handled ticket allocation and match security on the night, have hit back with a dossier claiming to show 25 incidents involving Liverpool fans since 2003 in Europe - more than any other club.

Les Lawson, spokesman for the official LFC supporters' club, said: "This is typical of UEFA. Rather than look at their own shortcomings, they want to shove the blame somewhere else. The fact they are not willing to stand up and take responsibility is worrying for fans, because that means they will never learn from their mistakes."

Council leader Warren Bradley said: "UEFA is dragging Liverpool's name through the mud to deflect attention from themselves. Big governing bodies like UEFA always look for scapegoats and never accept any blame.

"There should be a full and appropriate investigation. There is very little information about what actually went wrong. It was only a small minority who caused problems but the people at the top of UEFA think they have the divine right to criticise people."

Phil Hammond, of the Hillsborough Justice Support Group, added: "We condemn the behaviour of some fans, but it was not helped by the way the police acted, they made it worse. UEFA are not justified in making these comments."

A Liverpool FC spokesman said: "The shortcomings in the management of the situation in Athens was apparent to anyone who was there. These latest comments from UEFA should not deflect attention from the reality."

The club produced their own report ahead of the final, warning UEFA of potential problems caused by ticket allocation and what could happen with fans travelling without tickets.

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by **dawson99** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:28 am

"Council leader Warren Bradley said: "UEFA is dragging Liverpool's name through the mud to deflect attention from themselves. Big governing bodies like UEFA always look for scapegoats and never accept any blame"

nail on the head. absolute disgrace by UEFA. someone from liverpool has got to stick up for the fans. it shouldnt be up to us to get a representative. it should be handled.
Since it isnt tho, the voice of the poele must be heard

by **Reg** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:42 am

Bear the obvious in mind - Platini is french so there's no way in a month of sunday's he's going to have a pro-UK agenda. As in national politics it will be franco-german against the UK. Spain and Italy will immediately jump on the bandwagon making it effectively europe against the UK.

First thing is to force the resignation of machinegun-mouth Gaillard. This tw@at has singlehandedly taken this issue to the greatest heights from his comments immediately after the final to the terrible situation we have today. In fairness the club must be reading these reports in complete and utter disbelief... where the :censored:

did this guy spring from? Only when he fcuks off will sensible dialogue be able to start.

by **lio** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:16 pm

... and now a higher level support :buttrock

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British minister tells UEFA to stop blame game
Mon 4 Jun 2007, 11:43 GMT

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - UEFA should stop "playing the blame game" and take responsibility themselves, British sports minister Richard Caborn said as he waited to receive a report on trouble involving Liverpool fans. . .

by **Reg** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:03 pm

Spoils to the victors - May 31st 2007 - The Economist

New owners, more revenues—and a change in the Euroworks?

ONE could hardly think of an unlikelier trophy for a billionaire businessman than Newcastle United Football Club, which has won no significant competition for decades. But stranger things have been happening in English football than the £133m bid for the club announced on May 24th by Mike Ashley, a sportswear mogul.
A slew of other prominent businessmen are also queuing up to buy football clubs. Thaksin Shinawatra, a deposed Thai prime minister, has made an indicative bid for Manchester City, and Southampton has recently received an offer from Paul Allen, one of the founders of Microsoft.
Why the continuing love affair with English clubs? Figures released on May 31st by Deloitte, an accounting firm, provide one answer: the revenues of Premier League clubs are likely to be almost £1.8 billion in the coming season, up from about £1.4 billion in the one just finished. In the past, such jumps in income have gone mostly to players, with little, if any, left over for club owners.
And for good reason: the market for talent in football is remarkably efficient. On the whole, those clubs that pay the most to players tend to win more games. And to the victors go the spoils. Teams that rank higher in the various leagues earn far more through marketing deals than those that they have beaten.
But two changes seem to be taking place in English football, says Dan Jones, who heads the sports group at Deloitte. The first is that English clubs have done a better job of marketing themselves and securing good broadcast deals than rivals elsewhere. In the next season Premier League clubs are likely to earn nearly £700m more than those in the next most lucrative European league, Italy's Serie A. The top English teams can now afford to pay so much for talent that, barring a very few rich clubs elsewhere such as Barcelona or Real Madrid, they are competing mostly with each other.
The second change is an influx of new owners such as Malcolm Glazer, an American who paid £790m to take over Manchester United in 2005. They are replacing an old guard who ran clubs for love and glory. Many of the newcomers have big debts, forcing them to focus on profit.
Such thinking has sports bureaucrats worried. A report on European football for the European Commission last year fretted that “football should not be a contest between corporate leviathans with the outcome dictated by whoever has the deepest pockets”. It urged cost controls such as a payroll tax on rich clubs to finance poorer ones. The aim is to retain a “competitive balance” so that fans do not lose interest in the game, thinking that their club has no shot at victory.
Stefan Szymanski, who teaches economics at Imperial College London, reckons one outcome of a proposal the European Commission is debating now could be the adoption of an American sports model that forces teams to share revenue and lets the worst of them pick some of the best new talent. That would make owning lower-ranking clubs more profitable. Perhaps Mr Ashley's purchase is not so odd after all.

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