What will it take to make the reds champions? - Great article from the official website

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Postby Rupi » Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:35 am

Here are the most relevant parts of this article from the official club website:
All may be relevant to varying degrees, but to my mind it concerns two bigger concepts. It can all be boiled down to this: time and money, allied to managerial talent.

About money:

And Liverpool's two biggest signings remain Emile Heskey at £11m and Djibril Cissé at £14.2m, both signed by Gérard Houllier.
Having cost a total of £86.5m, the average transfer fee of Liverpool's 'top 20' squad for 2006/07 was £4.3m per player.
Because of the young players the Gunners procure on nominal fees, it's easy to forget the bigger fees they've paid. The average cost of their main 20 is £4.8m, half a million pounds more than Liverpool's.
Compare that with Manchester United's £7.1m per player, and you can see that, on average, United paid approaching twice as much for its main squad, which cost £141.4m in total.This, despite having the most youth academy graduates in their ranks.And this before apparently spending £50m on just three players this summer, which could take their average up to around the £10m mark for 2007/08, if they replace three inexpensive fringe players.
Of course, if you hadn't already guessed, Chelsea are by far and away the biggest spenders, with its 20 main players costing a staggering combined total of £249.5m average cost of a player is £12.5m).
So, basically, Benítez, whose record signing remains Xabi Alonso at £10.5m, has yet to even spend within £2m of the Chelsea average. If that doesn't highlight the disparity, nothing will.

About time:

Both Ferguson and Benítez inherited sides that had just finished 4th, with Ferguson doing so way back in 1986. And yet at this exact stage of his United career Ferguson saw a banner unveiled by fans at Old Trafford: "Three years of excuses and it's still :censored:. Ta ra Fergie." Compare that with the witty and supportive banners seen in Greece last week and you can get an idea of how supremely better the Spaniard has done in his first 36 months.
In 1989 Alex Ferguson had yet to win even a single trophy at United, and rather than improve the situation had actually taken them down to an 11th-place finish (14th in 1990).
How can Benítez be expected to quickly overtake a man who has spent 21 years shaping his club from the very top to the very bottom, and whose squad cost a lot more per-player to assemble? Or quickly overtake Chelsea, whose manager Jose Mourinho, unprecedentedly, won the title in his first and second seasons, but who also had a totally unprecedented mega-budget?

Spurs and Newcastle have pretensions to be 'big' clubs, and in many ways are just that. Both have a lot of supporters (locally, if not globally), and can boast significant achievements in their history, albeit dating back a few years now. And both have spent a fair amount of money over the years.
This is how many league points each 'big club' got for every million pounds spent on its 20 main players.

Liverpool.....................0.78
Spurs.............................0.75
Arsenal ........................0.71
Man United.................0.63
Newcastle....................0.56
Chelsea.........................0.33

Of course, the higher up the table you go the more you have to pay for just a few extra points.

Regarding the 4 main teams (Manu, Chavsky, Gunners), Benítez stands 4th in terms of squad cost, and 4th in terms of time spent at his club. That doesn't make getting to 1st an easy proposition.

So Benítez has been battling time and money. And he will continue to do so, albeit to a lessening degree the longer he spends in the job, and more money is paid out. When signing players he will need to continue to get the most points for every million pounds spent. And if he continues to do just that, following a new round of investment in the team, he stands a great chance of significant success.
And, with all this in mind, if he does land the title it will be up there with the biggest achievements imaginable.
Such have been his monumental achievements at Valencia and Liverpool with relatively small budgets, you can't help but think that, within a couple of years, and with the funds to spend on the right players, he'll have ended our long wait for a 19th title.

Complete article: Link

Very relevant article IMO and I've hardly nothing to add to this. What do you think?
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Postby LFC #1 » Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:47 am

Good read and very interesting. Basically sums up what's being said, we need to spend big in the summer to compete as we are still at least 3 players off IMO. I know this is said every season, but Benitez has never been able to acquire his no.1 targets, hopefully this summer that will change.
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:36 am

Still dont know why Tompkins insists on the language he employs in his articles.

Generally they are well thought out and fact based, however the need to use the kind of language more akin to a Times or Independent write up makes them seem pompous and makes me stop reading and start scanning within a few paragraphs.
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Postby Sabre » Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:40 am

:D

Or the Sunday something, who writes ++ANFIELD CRISIS++.


Well, I think I preffer the official sources of the club like this one, rather than others.
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Postby Lando_Griffin » Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:10 pm

Good article that no-one can argue with.

Kind of makes you realise just how good Rafa is when you look at it like that.
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Postby Scottbot » Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:29 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:Still dont know why Tompkins insists on the language he employs in his articles.

Generally they are well thought out and fact based, however the need to use the kind of language more akin to a Times or Independent write up makes them seem pompous and makes me stop reading and start scanning within a few paragraphs.

To be fair he has always written that way although he does get a little bogged down and tied up with the stats sometimes.

I like his articles, a little rose tinted sometimes but i find he writes some very good objective articles at times when the rest of us are pulling our hair out after a couple of defeats.
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Postby maguskwt » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:48 pm

i've just read the article...very good...very logical...i got nothing much to say...all you rafa doubters should read this...rafa should stay with liverpool at least 10 more years...and then we'll take over the premiership in 2 years time...hopefully starting next season...his most expensive signing is 10.5 mil for goodness sake...I want to see liverpool pay 30-35 mil for eto'o or tevez this summer...come on!...:angry:...even newcastle spends more on a single player...???
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Postby tubby » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:50 pm

All things aside for us to win the leage we need to sign some better players, why the :censored: havent we signed anyone yet?
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Postby maguskwt » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:55 pm

bavlondon wrote:All things aside for us to win the leage we need to sign some better players, why the :censored: havent we signed anyone yet?

cause we're waiting for a big deal transfer...like eto'o or tevez... :D ...those kinda deals take quite some time...
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Postby metalhead » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:57 pm

bavlondon wrote:All things aside for us to win the leage we need to sign some better players, why the :censored: havent we signed anyone yet?

Because the transfer window hasnt opened yet AND some of the players we want are playing in leagues that haven't finished yet!
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Postby top dollar » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:01 pm

help wanted??? is there any knowledgable Pool fans can reply to this drivel posted on a Leeds board. as usual the morons are arguing amongst themselves, some good points made from Leeds fans though   

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Postby stmichael » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:18 pm

Spurs are doing what we did 4 years ago... buying the best young potential we could afford and hoping they grow into world beaters.

We need to be doing what Man Utd were doing 4 years ago and that is securing actual talent at a higher price.

Spurs will spend another £30m just to climb to 4th place! One league position at that price.

We might need to spend double that to consistantly finish just 2nd or better. It a high price but to win the league you do need the very best and they don't always come cheap.
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Postby grayghost » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:36 pm

We only have 1 world class player (Steven Gerrard) 4 very good players(Alonso,Maceriano,Carra,Reina,) and some talents (Danny Agerr,penant) and the rest are stop gaps ur squad players (except Finann who is a solid squad player but nothing to exiting) What we need is to add some more world class talents to the squad people who can win you a game with a moment of brillance.
It will cost the club a prety peny but it will be worth it in the end
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Postby Ace Ventura » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:46 pm

stmichael wrote:Spurs are doing what we did 4 years ago... buying the best young potential we could afford and hoping they grow into world beaters.

We need to be doing what Man Utd were doing 4 years ago and that is securing actual talent at a higher price.

Spurs will spend another £30m just to climb to 4th place! One league position at that price.

We might need to spend double that to consistantly finish just 2nd or better. It a high price but to win the league you do need the very best and they don't always come cheap.

Spurs appear to be doing what Leeds did a few years ago, when O'Leary just signed all of what he thought was the brightest english prospects and then every time they lost, used it as an excuse.

i am not at all worried yet by the lack of transfer activity from us, the spanish league is still 2 games from finishing and ours has only just finished.
I trust what the board have said to Rafa and think he has clear targets that he will pursue, until he has gone all out for his main players i cant see him signing the other players who he will be targeting.
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