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by **The_Rock** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:46 pm

iano wrote:we need simao definitely! then pennant can perform even much better with the added pressure. go pool!

simao

simao is too slow and light weight for this league. We need a RW better than pennant..... Not someone who is worse or around the same level as pennant...

by **kunilson** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:53 pm

well marseille president stated he wants cisse to stay today....so i doubt a swap deal would take place..

by **LFC2007** » Tue May 29, 2007 5:54 pm

I consider Simao on a different level to Pennant, he is not exactly lightweight, he is well built, well proportioned and has excellent balance.

I'd consider Simao a step up from Pennant.

by **aCe'** » Tue May 29, 2007 9:43 pm

i really dont think we need a right wing as we seem to have pennant who to me is a very good player who will only get better given the opportunity ! i think if we sign alves... -a reported target of ours- we'd have a brilliant right side with alves as right back and pennant as a right wing... to me if simao and alves have similar price tags i wouldnt hesitate on bringing alves and playing him at rightback and keeping pennant in the right wing...

again... unlike many i dont believe we will be given 50 or 60mill+ by the new owners and even if we are given 50 mill... id like to see it go on a class striker or 2, a left wing and maybe a centerback....

hyypia is likely to leave and paletta is no cover if you ask me... arbeloa is not a reliable centerback and not good enough cover if you ask me... so thats an area of concern to me.

by **Elchris** » Tue May 29, 2007 10:21 pm

it seems we have been linked to as roma mancini.... mayb i'll prefer him to simao...mancini can play anywhere on the right...

by **Emerald Red** » Tue May 29, 2007 10:35 pm

aCe' wrote:i really dont think we need a right wing as we seem to have pennant who to me is a very good player who will only get better given the opportunity ! i think if we sign alves... -a reported target of ours- we'd have a brilliant right side with alves as right back and pennant as a right wing... to me if simao and alves have similar price tags i wouldnt hesitate on bringing alves and playing him at rightback and keeping pennant in the right wing...

again... unlike many i dont believe we will be given 50 or 60mill+ by the new owners and even if we are given 50 mill... id like to see it go on a class striker or 2, a left wing and maybe a centerback....

hyypia is likely to leave and paletta is no cover if you ask me... arbeloa is not a reliable centerback and not good enough cover if you ask me... so thats an area of concern to me.

Hmm, and bump the excellent and reliable Steve Finnan to the bench? I don't think so. Alves is great at bombing down the wings and attacking, and crossing, but defensivly, it's very rare for a player to have both, and he's weak in this department. I wouldn't compromise a rock solid defence for that kind of weakness, especially when it's not too sound on the left when Riise is there. But then again, he would offer us a differnt option from the bench if we were in need of mixing things up, or needing a goal from somewhere. He'd be an excellent signing for us, no doubt. I just can't see him walking in and taking Finnan's possition right off the bat.

by **aCe'** » Tue May 29, 2007 10:45 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
aCe' wrote:i really dont think we need a right wing as we seem to have pennant who to me is a very good player who will only get better given the opportunity ! i think if we sign alves... -a reported target of ours- we'd have a brilliant right side with alves as right back and pennant as a right wing... to me if simao and alves have similar price tags i wouldnt hesitate on bringing alves and playing him at rightback and keeping pennant in the right wing...

again... unlike many i dont believe we will be given 50 or 60mill+ by the new owners and even if we are given 50 mill... id like to see it go on a class striker or 2, a left wing and maybe a centerback....

hyypia is likely to leave and paletta is no cover if you ask me... arbeloa is not a reliable centerback and not good enough cover if you ask me... so thats an area of concern to me.

Hmm, and bump the excellent and reliable Steve Finnan to the bench? I don't think so. Alves is great at bombing down the wings and attacking, and crossing, but defensivly, it's very rare for a player to have both, and he's weak in this department. I wouldn't compromise a rock solid defence for that kind of weakness, especially when it's not too sound on the left when Riise is there. But then again, he would offer us a differnt option from the bench if we were in need of mixing things up, or needing a goal from somewhere. He'd be an excellent signing for us, no doubt. I just can't see him walking in and taking Finnan's possition right off the bat.

seriously ?!
he is lightyears better than finnan was/will ever be !

coming off the bench ?! BENCH ?! he is one of the best defenders in the world and u expect him to be benched by a side lacking width ?!

if he comes... i expect him to start every game.... if not as RB as RW....

and his defensive abilities are brilliant !

if it comes to choosing between him and finnan...id pick him every week...

macini would be a great buy but hed cost a fortune ! mentioned him earlier as a possible solution to our left wing problem but with Roma looking to improve their squad for next season really cant see them selling their best players...

if its true that both malouda and mancini are targets of rafa... i think we'll probably be seeing alot more of te 4-5-1 formation !

by **LFC2007** » Tue May 29, 2007 11:12 pm

aCe' wrote:i really dont think we need a right wing as we seem to have pennant who to me is a very good player who will only get better given the opportunity ! i think if we sign alves... -a reported target of ours- we'd have a brilliant right side with alves as right back and pennant as a right wing... to me if simao and alves have similar price tags i wouldnt hesitate on bringing alves and playing him at rightback and keeping pennant in the right wing...

again... unlike many i dont believe we will be given 50 or 60mill+ by the new owners and even if we are given 50 mill... id like to see it go on a class striker or 2, a left wing and maybe a centerback....

hyypia is likely to leave and paletta is no cover if you ask me... arbeloa is not a reliable centerback and not good enough cover if you ask me... so thats an area of concern to me.

I disagree completely.

Pennant has shown decent form and has undoubtedly improved, but to the level we require?

Not in my opinion, and who else is pushing Pennant for that place?

Nobody, Gerrard is not a right winger, nor is Garcia, he is a link man.

Pennant, IMO lacks pace, strength, and powerful running. He also lacks the degree of quality that Simao has.

As for Alves, we have one of the most astute right backs in the league in Finnan. He defends and he is consistent.

He is not as flashy as Alves, but he would be a big risk IMO, a guy playing in Spain, renound more so for his ability to get forward than his ability to defend. He is not particularly strong, and he would need time to adapt being from South America.

I don't see that position as a priority, right wing is higher on the agenda, certainly in the top three.

I don't see our defence as a problem seeing as we've concede bugger all goals over the past two seasons.

As for Hyypia "likely to leave". He has just come out recently and said he is in Rafa's plans so I disagree entirely about that aswell.

by **LFC2007** » Tue May 29, 2007 11:17 pm

aCe' wrote:he is lightyears better than finnan was/will ever be !

coming off the bench ?! BENCH ?! he is one of the best defenders in the world and u expect him to be benched by a side lacking width ?!

if he comes... i expect him to start every game.... if not as RB as RW....

Light years better my ar.se, two entirely different styles, Alves the better technically but Finnan is a very adept full back. Our defensive record proves it.

And as you suggest, he is immune from being benched, I would say you are being a tad premature, and ignorant of the fact that he hasn't even played in England before. If he doesn't perform, he'll be benched.

by **aCe'** » Tue May 29, 2007 11:34 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
aCe' wrote:i really dont think we need a right wing as we seem to have pennant who to me is a very good player who will only get better given the opportunity ! i think if we sign alves... -a reported target of ours- we'd have a brilliant right side with alves as right back and pennant as a right wing... to me if simao and alves have similar price tags i wouldnt hesitate on bringing alves and playing him at rightback and keeping pennant in the right wing...

again... unlike many i dont believe we will be given 50 or 60mill+ by the new owners and even if we are given 50 mill... id like to see it go on a class striker or 2, a left wing and maybe a centerback....

hyypia is likely to leave and paletta is no cover if you ask me... arbeloa is not a reliable centerback and not good enough cover if you ask me... so thats an area of concern to me.

I disagree completely.

Pennant has shown decent form and has undoubtedly improved, but to the level we require?

Not in my opinion, and who else is pushing Pennant for that place?

Nobody, Gerrard is not a right winger, nor is Garcia, he is a link man.

Pennant, IMO lacks pace, strength, and powerful running. He also lacks the degree of quality that Simao has.

As for Alves, we have one of the most astute right backs in the league in Finnan. He defends and he is consistent.

He is not as flashy as Alves, but he would be a big risk IMO, a guy playing in Spain, renound more so for his ability to get forward than his ability to defend. He is not particularly strong, and he would need time to adapt being from South America.

I don't see that position as a priority, right wing is higher on the agenda, certainly in the top three.

I don't see our defence as a problem seeing as we've concede bugger all goals over the past two seasons.

As for Hyypia "likely to leave". He has just come out recently and said he is in Rafa's plans so I disagree entirely about that aswell.

difference of opinions on that...u dont thik pennant is any good... i think he can cut it...
gerrard is a good right midfielder who can replace pnnant and garcia can cover in that position as well... we dont need to hae 2 quality players in every position...in a perfect world we would but we dont have to have 2 out and out quality wingers

pennant lacks pace ? powerful running ? doesnt sound like pennant to me !

"As for Alves, we have one of the most astute right backs in the league in Finnan. He defends and he is consistent.

He is not as flashy as Alves, but he would be a big risk IMO, a guy playing in Spain, renound more so for his ability to get forward than his ability to defend. He is not particularly strong, and he would need time to adapt being from South America."

finnan has been consistent... a very good defender for us whenever he played but he offers very little going forward !
i must admit that u to some extent are convinving in that finnan should be playing with alves made RW if he signs but again... "big risk" ? "not particularly strong" ? i dont think u'v seen enough of alves to be honest ... hes quality and dont think we'll pay around 20mill for a player whos not worldclass at what he does... daniel alves is a worldclass rightback...same cant be said about finnan...

if hes played as RW...im not sure alves would perform like he has done playing as RB but HE HAS wat it takes to be a brilliant winger.... guess that covers both ur posts !

by **LFC2007** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:02 am

aCe' wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
aCe' wrote:i really dont think we need a right wing as we seem to have pennant who to me is a very good player who will only get better given the opportunity ! i think if we sign alves... -a reported target of ours- we'd have a brilliant right side with alves as right back and pennant as a right wing... to me if simao and alves have similar price tags i wouldnt hesitate on bringing alves and playing him at rightback and keeping pennant in the right wing...

again... unlike many i dont believe we will be given 50 or 60mill+ by the new owners and even if we are given 50 mill... id like to see it go on a class striker or 2, a left wing and maybe a centerback....

hyypia is likely to leave and paletta is no cover if you ask me... arbeloa is not a reliable centerback and not good enough cover if you ask me... so thats an area of concern to me.

I disagree completely.

Pennant has shown decent form and has undoubtedly improved, but to the level we require?

Not in my opinion, and who else is pushing Pennant for that place?

Nobody, Gerrard is not a right winger, nor is Garcia, he is a link man.

Pennant, IMO lacks pace, strength, and powerful running. He also lacks the degree of quality that Simao has.

As for Alves, we have one of the most astute right backs in the league in Finnan. He defends and he is consistent.

He is not as flashy as Alves, but he would be a big risk IMO, a guy playing in Spain, renound more so for his ability to get forward than his ability to defend. He is not particularly strong, and he would need time to adapt being from South America.

I don't see that position as a priority, right wing is higher on the agenda, certainly in the top three.

I don't see our defence as a problem seeing as we've concede bugger all goals over the past two seasons.

As for Hyypia "likely to leave". He has just come out recently and said he is in Rafa's plans so I disagree entirely about that aswell.

difference of opinions on that...u dont thik pennant is any good... i think he can cut it...
gerrard is a good right midfielder who can replace pnnant and garcia can cover in that position as well... we dont need to hae 2 quality players in every position...in a perfect world we would but we dont have to have 2 out and out quality wingers

pennant lacks pace ? powerful running ? doesnt sound like pennant to me !

"As for Alves, we have one of the most astute right backs in the league in Finnan. He defends and he is consistent.

He is not as flashy as Alves, but he would be a big risk IMO, a guy playing in Spain, renound more so for his ability to get forward than his ability to defend. He is not particularly strong, and he would need time to adapt being from South America."

finnan has been consistent... a very good defender for us whenever he played but he offers very little going forward !
i must admit that u to some extent are convinving in that finnan should be playing with alves made RW if he signs but again... "big risk" ? "not particularly strong" ? i dont think u'v seen enough of alves to be honest ... hes quality and dont think we'll pay around 20mill for a player whos not worldclass at what he does... daniel alves is a worldclass rightback...same cant be said about finnan...

if hes played as RW...im not sure alves would perform like he has done playing as RB but HE HAS wat it takes to be a brilliant winger.... guess that covers both ur posts !

Did I say I didn't think Pennant was "any good"

No.

I said he has shown decent form but lacks the quality we need.

Gerrard is NOT right midfielder he is a central midfielder, if, as you suggest he can replace pennant when injured, where does that leave us in Central midfield?

?

???

Where does that leave our thrust going forward in central midfield?

Nowhere, which is exactly the reason why we need another quality right mid IMO.

I thought you didn't like Alonso/Mascherano playing together?

This is one thing I fail to understand with you, Gerrard on the right doesn't work long term, he is a centre Mid, he should NOT be cover for the right unless we're absolutely desperate.

We don't have to have cover for Pennant, but who pushes him for his place?

No-one.

I strongly doubt whether he has the quality we need in the long term any way.

Pennant is not a particularly powerful runner, nor does he have great pace, he is a mazy runner with decent skill and good crossing ability. I consider Ronaldo or Robben powerful runners, but not Pennant.

Finnan lacking "going forward". Have you seen how many crosses he has delivered this season???

Have you not seen the quality of his crossing?

Is that not getting forward?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Believe me I've seen enough of Alves and he is definitely not particularly strong.

A risk?

Of course he's a risk, he's a south American in Spain, it is a different lifestyle and a different style of play. He won't get acres to run into or plenty of time to bomb it past people like he does in Spain. In the EPL players are snapping at your feet from the word GO.

"Alves world class"

and Finnan not!

I disagree once again, you place too much emphasis on how flashy and mecurial HE is, as opose to the job he will be able to do. I'd rather have a right back who is effective, proven and consistent like Finnan than a guy you dub "world class".

Schevchenko "world class", effective at Chelsea???

You may be dazzled by the "world class" premise. I'm not, I want someone who is EFFECTIVE.

Finnan is that man.

by **mungi** » Wed May 30, 2007 9:16 am

i think what the guy ment was finnan rarely overlapped the right winger. Alves does it often. this also helps the Rw as it allows the RW to us ethe overlapping FB and cut inside for shot. Finnan doesnt normally cross from the byline

by **aCe'** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:13 pm

lfc...you cant compare 2 players by simply pointing out whats good in 1 of them and knowing fck all what the other 1 is all about... im not going to discuss this any further because all ur arguments are obviously biased..
finnan is a great defender but only a good rightback..he is consistent but he limits our options going forward...
it takes him ages to get to advanced positions and more often than not you expect him to overlap the right winger but he doesnt....
if for 1 second you think we would be better off playing finnan than we would playing alves... id suggest you actually watch a game or 2 of sevilles...or better yet...wait for the spanish player of the year and the uefa cup player of the years awards...
alves scored more than 5 and had more tan 16 assists this season...you still seem to think he isnt world class and finnan is ?!
sorry but what ur saying makes absolutely no sense to me !

by **flamingpoe** » Wed May 30, 2007 2:00 pm

daniel alves does like coming forward, he aint been dubbed "the new cafu" for nuthin, so they need more of a defensive/holding right midfielder because if he goes shooting up the side like, he likes to do, we need one that wudn't mind sittin in just behind him just incase they do break on us, because lets not forget wat happens to united when that :censored:

neville goes forwrd with ronaldo, and the other team breaks on them, their defense falls apart

by **LFC2007** » Wed May 30, 2007 2:22 pm

aCe' wrote:lfc...you cant compare 2 players by simply pointing out whats good in 1 of them and knowing fck all what the other 1 is all about... im not going to discuss this any further because all ur arguments are obviously biased..
finnan is a great defender but only a good rightback..he is consistent but he limits our options going forward...
it takes him ages to get to advanced positions and more often than not you expect him to overlap the right winger but he doesnt....
if for 1 second you think we would be better off playing finnan than we would playing alves... id suggest you actually watch a game or 2 of sevilles...or better yet...wait for the spanish player of the year and the uefa cup player of the years awards...
alves scored more than 5 and had more tan 16 assists this season...you still seem to think he isnt world class and finnan is ?!
sorry but what ur saying makes absolutely no sense to me !

You clearly have a problem in understanding what EFFECTIVE means.

Finnan does overlap, he does get forward and he does suppl crosses. Why do you think 95%of our UCL goals have come from crosses this season?

Alves is a quality player, but is the right back position really a problem?

I don't think so.

Likewise, you may be convinced by the "world class" premise, but I'm not, especially as a right back. I want someone who can do the job EFFECTIVELY and Finnan has been that man.

I have seen plenty of Alves and his attributes going forward are fantastic, but as a full back in England? Where you need discipline and physical strength as well as the ability to get forward at the RIGHT time?

For me, Finnan has been the man to fulfil that position exceptionally.

As for the "world-class" premise, get over the flashy technical ability of the guy, I want someone to do the job and the job of right back has been no problem for us over the past two seasons!!!!!!!!!

If it ain't broke why fix it!

Anyway, Ballack was apparently World class, as was Schevchenko, what impact have they made?

Bugger all.

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