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by **account deleted by request** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:36 pm

peewee wrote:why are they my merry men, are you suggesting people cant have their own opinions unless i give it to them, i didnt know i had so much power

hey saint make me a brew and bamanga man bring me my slippers

I dont think he was meaning me mate, at least I hope not! I have tried repeatedly to explain that its not a knocking Xabi thread, its a whats best for Liverpool FC thread. If its better to sell Xabi and strengthen elsewhere we shouldnt hesitate. If we have enough money I see no reason why we should sell him.

How many sugars peewee

by **112-1077774096** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:37 pm

Sabre wrote:
peewee wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:The fact WAS that Rafa rated him. Take a look at what is written, digest it, THEN raise a point... (Mind you - we all know Rafa is just a fool who knows nothing about the game, don't we...?)

is this the same rafa that got it drastically wrong last wednesday, the rafa that played with one forward, the one who offered nothing despite having the option of using pace against their ageing defence or height to cause problems, the same rafa who left crouch on the bench until 12 minutes from the end despite us needing to score, the same rafa who left the pace on the bench and brought on a defender wih 2 minutes to go, the same rafa who took off masherano freeing up kaka, the same rafa who has taken bellamy off many times this season allowing the other team to push up and costing us the game, the same rafa who said at xmas that he doesnt even know his best team, the same rafa who said yesterday we dont need a goalscorer, the same rafa who doesnt try to win games against alehouse teams, rather sets out to not lose, the same rafa that left us 21 points behind the league winners.

rafa is not perfect, far from it, he makes mistakes, sweeping them under the carpet or ignoring them doesnt make them go away

Are you sure the Rafa out thread the other day was a joke? or you said so to avoid the stick?

Look Rafa makes mistakes. Granted.

But why belittling the opposition? You don't reach the CL final with a cráp team. You don't get past 3-0 the English league champion with a cráp team. They have experienced players, yes, so we football fans, what we should do is to acknowledge that sometimes when he say "He's past it" we're wrong.

Because Milan AC, in my view, does things without the ball very well. So do we, and that's why LFC reaches far, but there's no need to belittling Milan AC to make a point about Rafa.

not belittleing milan sabre, but they were there for the taking and we didnt do that, one of the reasons we didnt do that was because of the way we played and the changes that were made too late, there really is no disguising this

by **66-1112520797** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:42 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
peewee wrote:listen lets just end the argument.

the FACT is last season we won f*ck all and took a massive step backwards in the league, if anyone thinks thats aceptable just f*ck off and support another team.

if anyone thinks that alonso is the be all and end all of LFC then i pity you and you have no right saying others have no knowledge of football when you are spouting this rubbish.

there, its settled

No - let's not.

You seem to be under the impression that I think Alonso is the be all and end all of LFC - you're once again deluded.

I am simply stating that he is a lot more important to this team than the isolated idiots seem to think.

The way you swing your weight around and carry on, anyone would think you think Alonso is the be all and end all.

And if anyone doesnt comprend that you go off on one and burst a blood vessel.

I dont know if your having a bad hair day mate, but set up a paypal account and I'll throw in a bit of dosh for your next load of highlights.

Oooh - how will I ever cope with THAT!?! A slur on my hairstyle!!!

Well that's me all told off and put in my place... I'll just have to console myself in town tonight when the ladies want to see what my hair looks like next to them in the morning...

You say that "anyone would think..." - well that's your problem. You assume too much.

Assumptions get you nowhere, so don't come that.

Mate I wouldnt flatter yourself, they're probably just interested in what hair product you use. They like all that camp stuff and get on well with gay men.

On a side note though Lando, I would consider changing the peroxide its certainly causing damage to your head and those two things you call brain cells in your head.

Here's your slippers Peewee

by **murphy0151** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:42 pm

peewee wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:What happens if Mascher gets injured in the opening game of the season?

and what if he doesnt get injured, what if reina gets inhured, what if gerrard gets injured.

is that all you have? what ifs

the fact is that at the moment we could do without alonso, if that allows us to strenghten the team elswhere then lets do it. even someone as blinkered as you must be able to see all is not well, next you will be telling us we dont need a world class forward as we have one in kuyt (sarcasm).

if he goes he goes and we move on, not going to shed any tears about it, we will progress hopefully, i mean lets face it he didnt win us anything this season did he, most of the time he moped around pushing people all over the pitch and following this up with a long passes into the stands.

masherano is the way forward in my opinion, with decent wude players, gerrard in the center where he does his best work and at least on world class finisher as oppossed to kuyt the evreready bunny, all huff and puff with no end result

Peeewwweeee

get the blinkers off matey

If there s one player whos hit the stands more often than any over id put me money it being Mr Steven Gerrard. But those blinkers you have got on stops you from seeing this.

:eyebrow

by **112-1077774096** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:43 pm

murphy0151 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:What happens if Mascher gets injured in the opening game of the season?

and what if he doesnt get injured, what if reina gets inhured, what if gerrard gets injured.

is that all you have? what ifs

the fact is that at the moment we could do without alonso, if that allows us to strenghten the team elswhere then lets do it. even someone as blinkered as you must be able to see all is not well, next you will be telling us we dont need a world class forward as we have one in kuyt (sarcasm).

if he goes he goes and we move on, not going to shed any tears about it, we will progress hopefully, i mean lets face it he didnt win us anything this season did he, most of the time he moped around pushing people all over the pitch and following this up with a long passes into the stands.

masherano is the way forward in my opinion, with decent wude players, gerrard in the center where he does his best work and at least on world class finisher as oppossed to kuyt the evreready bunny, all huff and puff with no end result

Peeewwweeee

get the blinkers off matey

If there s one player whos hit the stands more often than any over id put me money it being Mr Steven Gerrard. But those blinkers you have got on stops you from seeing this.

haha if the thread was about gerrard i would say the same mate, but its about alonso

by **murphy0151** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:45 pm

peewee wrote:
murphy0151 wrote:
peewee wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:What happens if Mascher gets injured in the opening game of the season?

and what if he doesnt get injured, what if reina gets inhured, what if gerrard gets injured.

is that all you have? what ifs

the fact is that at the moment we could do without alonso, if that allows us to strenghten the team elswhere then lets do it. even someone as blinkered as you must be able to see all is not well, next you will be telling us we dont need a world class forward as we have one in kuyt (sarcasm).

if he goes he goes and we move on, not going to shed any tears about it, we will progress hopefully, i mean lets face it he didnt win us anything this season did he, most of the time he moped around pushing people all over the pitch and following this up with a long passes into the stands.

masherano is the way forward in my opinion, with decent wude players, gerrard in the center where he does his best work and at least on world class finisher as oppossed to kuyt the evreready bunny, all huff and puff with no end result

Peeewwweeee

get the blinkers off matey

If there s one player whos hit the stands more often than any over id put me money it being Mr Steven Gerrard. But those blinkers you have got on stops you from seeing this.

haha if the thread was about gerrard i would say the same mate, but its about alonso

Ohhh you big spoil sport..........lol

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:47 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
peewee wrote:listen lets just end the argument.

the FACT is last season we won f*ck all and took a massive step backwards in the league, if anyone thinks thats aceptable just f*ck off and support another team.

if anyone thinks that alonso is the be all and end all of LFC then i pity you and you have no right saying others have no knowledge of football when you are spouting this rubbish.

there, its settled

No - let's not.

You seem to be under the impression that I think Alonso is the be all and end all of LFC - you're once again deluded.

I am simply stating that he is a lot more important to this team than the isolated idiots seem to think.

The way you swing your weight around and carry on, anyone would think you think Alonso is the be all and end all.

And if anyone doesnt comprend that you go off on one and burst a blood vessel.

I dont know if your having a bad hair day mate, but set up a paypal account and I'll throw in a bit of dosh for your next load of highlights.

Oooh - how will I ever cope with THAT!?! A slur on my hairstyle!!!

Well that's me all told off and put in my place... I'll just have to console myself in town tonight when the ladies want to see what my hair looks like next to them in the morning...

You say that "anyone would think..." - well that's your problem. You assume too much.

Assumptions get you nowhere, so don't come that.

Mate I wouldnt flatter yourself, they're probably just interested in what hair product you use. They like all that camp stuff and get on well with gay men.

On a side note though Lando, I would consider changing the peroxide its certainly causing damage to your head and those two things you call brain cells in your head.

Here's your slippers Peewee

Of course! Silly me!!!

How could I mistake sex for a conversation about hair products?

Silly me... :laugh:

by **Sabre** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:51 pm

bigmick wrote:Good thread this and I include the abuse which is being dished out. Some heavywieght bruisers dishing it out and taking it, no problem there as far as I'm concerned, you lot are big enough and daft enough etc etc.

Well Bigmick reached at half time, wonder what he'll think about the second half.

by **112-1077774096** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:52 pm

apparently its trendy to have highlights, maybe 20 years ago if you were a girl it would be trendy, go the whole hog and get a feather cut and ear rings

by **112-1077774096** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:53 pm

alonso causing all this trouble, i hope we sell him now

by **66-1112520797** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:55 pm

peewee wrote:alonso causing all this trouble, i hope we sell him now

PMSL

NO MORE ALONSO THREADS :veryangry

by **account deleted by request** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:59 pm

We could always have a "Would we miss Rafa now that Houlliers available again" thread.

by **112-1077774096** » Tue May 29, 2007 4:06 pm

i'm going to bed now

night night

by **GunGod** » Tue May 29, 2007 4:07 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:OK - for the cretins once again:

In his first season when he broke his ankle, our team missed Alonso more than any other player, and the wins/losses proves this.

FACT.

Rafa Benitez sees him as instrumental to the side, and has said he, along with Gerrard, JC and Reina are the players he sees as the spine of the team.

FACT.

Our clean-sheets record is as much Xabi's doing as any other member of the defense.

FACT, and if you wish to dispute this - look up his tackling stats on Opta. I read them in the paper a few weeks back, and he's had a lot bigger impact than you realise. I can't be a*sed to trawl through the net just to shut a bunch of tw*ts up.

Xabi is the only member of our squad able to regularly dictate the tempo of a game, and allow the team to play to it's strengths.

FACT.

Xabi is the brain on the pitch, and it's his tactical and positional awareness that allows our fullbacks to go forward and help the attack, our centrebacks to challenge for offensive corners, our players to have an outlet when under pressure, and, despite his brilliance at spotting a long pass, he can also do the simple things to great effect.

These, my friend, are FACTS.

If you wish to dispute them, all I can suggest is that you actually watch him, rather than beating your meat over Gerrard for 90 minutes.

Erm, guys...I think we can end our argument with Lando already..because it's pretty obvious he doesn't understand the definition of 'facts'.

It's pretty embarassing for him indeed, going on about 'facts' only for us to realize he doesn't understand what he himself is talking about. So lets all stop laughing at him after I give him a simple lesson in differentiating between terms.

Fact 1: Humans need oxygen to live.

Fact 2: Liverpool beat Chelsea in the Champions league semi-finals 2007.

Opinion 1 (more accurately, Hypothesis 1): "In his first season when he broke his ankle, our team missed Alonso more than any other player, and the wins/losses proves this.."

Opinion 2: "Our clean-sheets record is as much Xabi's doing as any other member of the defense."

Opinion 3: "Xabi is the brain on the pitch."

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Now why is Opinion 1, an opinion?

The win/losses as cited by our young Lando which 'proves' his point does not prove anything at all. For there all more then 1 independent varible which can cause a change in the dependent variable. Simply put, in those games that we lost w/o Alonso, we might have also lost other players; the coach's formation selection played into the opposition's hands; the weather suited the opposition more etc etc the list goes on.

Until you have calculated every single variable (which is hardly possible) only to discover the hard truth that Alonso's absence is the cause for defeats, then only can you cite it as a 'fact'.

Now why are Opinions 2 and 3, just Opinions?

Try to apply the logic as explained above. This will be your homework for the week young Lando.

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P.S. Honestly I can't believe you said "Xabi is the brain on the pitch" and proclaimed condescendingly "THESE, my friend, are facts."

ROFL.

Excuse the unbridled laughter.

by **Scottbot** » Tue May 29, 2007 4:10 pm

Cracking thread this an it's taken me a hour to catch up with the last 48 hours worth of posts. It does look like it's pretty much run it's course though.

A mixture of views on here which seem to fall into three different camps, FWIW I fall into the 3rd camp.

1 - We would be absolutely crazy to sell Alonso. One of our very best players and crucial to the future progression of the club.

2 - Sell him for the good of the team if the right offer comes in. He has performed below his own high standards the past 18 months and it's a great opportunity to build the team around Stevie.g in the middle of the park.

3 - Cracking player, we should keep him. Don't want to see him leave. Would only sell him if it was necessary in order to bring in the likes of E'to, Villa or Tevez to play up front.

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