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peewee wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

peewee wrote:listen lets just end the argument.


the FACT is last season we won f*ck all and took a massive step backwards in the league, if anyone thinks thats aceptable just f*ck off and support another team.

if anyone thinks that alonso is the be all and end all of LFC then i pity you and you have no right saying others have no knowledge of football when you are spouting this rubbish.


there, its settled

No - let's not.

You seem to be under the impression that I think Alonso is the be all and end all of LFC - you're once again deluded.

I am simply stating that he is a lot more important to this team than the isolated idiots seem to think.

i never mentioned you, its hardly my fault that you take my broadsides as personal insults

Lando_Griffin wrote:

peewee wrote:listen lets just end the argument.


the FACT is last season we won f*ck all and took a massive step backwards in the league, if anyone thinks thats aceptable just f*ck off and support another team.

if anyone thinks that alonso is the be all and end all of LFC then i pity you and you have no right saying others have no knowledge of football when you are spouting this rubbish.


there, its settled

No - let's not.

You seem to be under the impression that I think Alonso is the be all and end all of LFC - you're once again deluded.

I am simply stating that he is a lot more important to this team than the isolated idiots seem to think.

Lando_Griffin wrote:The fact WAS that Rafa rated him. Take a look at what is written, digest it, THEN raise a point... (Mind you - we all know Rafa is just a fool who knows nothing about the game, don't we...?)

is this the same rafa that got it drastically wrong last wednesday, the rafa that played with one forward, the one who offered nothing despite having the option of using pace against their ageing defence or height to cause problems, the same rafa who left crouch on the bench until 12 minutes from the end despite us needing to score, the same rafa who left the pace on the bench and brought on a defender wih 2 minutes to go, the same rafa who took off masherano freeing up kaka, the same rafa who has taken bellamy off many times this season allowing the other team to push up and costing us the game, the same rafa who said at xmas that he doesnt even know his best team, the  same rafa who said yesterday we dont need a goalscorer, the same rafa who doesnt try to win games against alehouse teams, rather sets out to not lose, the same rafa that left us 21 points behind the league winners.





rafa is not perfect, far from it, he makes mistakes, sweeping them under the carpet or ignoring them doesnt make them go away

murphy0151 wrote:My personnal view on the matter is Xabi Alonso is one of the best signings we have made in recent years.  But and a big but with the quality of our center mids at the moment is second to none.  I feel Rafa is trying to accomdate Xabi at the moment.  Hense the reason why Gerrrards played on the right and also in the hole.   I think Xabi would be a major loss but also we could benifit from him leaving.  This meaning the return to center mid for Gerrard.

So all in all if the price is right lets do buisness.  I wouldnt let him go for anything less than 20 million english pounds.

The thing is though, mate, that Gerrard has spent most of this season IN the centre, so to suggest that Alonso is to blame for Rafa utilizing Gerrard elsewhere is off the mark, IMHO.

This next part is directed at Peewee and his band of Merry men:

IF you believe Alonso to be second choice to Mascherano now, why would you want to put us in a position where we are entirely reliant on a player who is on loan? Why do you think we can do without Alonso, when he brings things to the table others do not?
What happens if Mascher gets injured in the opening game of the season?

Why do you think Barcelona want Xabi?

(And if any of your responses include the signing of Lucas, I would suggest you look again - the lad is not a holding midfielder.)

Answer these, and we can have a discussion.

Until then - you're just chatting sh*t.

Bamaga man wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

peewee wrote:listen lets just end the argument.


the FACT is last season we won f*ck all and took a massive step backwards in the league, if anyone thinks thats aceptable just f*ck off and support another team.

if anyone thinks that alonso is the be all and end all of LFC then i pity you and you have no right saying others have no knowledge of football when you are spouting this rubbish.


there, its settled

No - let's not.

You seem to be under the impression that I think Alonso is the be all and end all of LFC - you're once again deluded.

I am simply stating that he is a lot more important to this team than the isolated idiots seem to think.

The way you swing your weight around and carry on, anyone would think you think Alonso is the be all and end all.

And if anyone doesnt comprend that you go off on one and burst a blood vessel.

I dont know if your having a bad hair day mate, but set up a paypal account and I'll throw in a bit of dosh for your next load of highlights.

Oooh - how will I ever cope with THAT!?! A slur on my hairstyle!!!

Well that's me all told off and put in my place... I'll just have to console myself in town tonight when the ladies want to see what my hair looks like next to them in the morning...

You say that "anyone would think..." - well that's your problem. You assume too much.

Assumptions get you nowhere, so don't come that.

peewee wrote:why are they my merry men, are you suggesting people cant have their own opinions unless i give it to them, i didnt know i had so much power


hey saint make me a brew and bamanga man bring me my slippers

peewee wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:The fact WAS that Rafa rated him. Take a look at what is written, digest it, THEN raise a point... (Mind you - we all know Rafa is just a fool who knows nothing about the game, don't we...?)

is this the same rafa that got it drastically wrong last wednesday, the rafa that played with one forward, the one who offered nothing despite having the option of using pace against their ageing defence or height to cause problems, the same rafa who left crouch on the bench until 12 minutes from the end despite us needing to score, the same rafa who left the pace on the bench and brought on a defender wih 2 minutes to go, the same rafa who took off masherano freeing up kaka, the same rafa who has taken bellamy off many times this season allowing the other team to push up and costing us the game, the same rafa who said at xmas that he doesnt even know his best team, the  same rafa who said yesterday we dont need a goalscorer, the same rafa who doesnt try to win games against alehouse teams, rather sets out to not lose, the same rafa that left us 21 points behind the league winners.





rafa is not perfect, far from it, he makes mistakes, sweeping them under the carpet or ignoring them doesnt make them go away

Are you sure the Rafa out thread the other day was a joke? or you said so to avoid the stick? 

Look Rafa makes mistakes. Granted.

But why belittling the opposition? You don't reach the CL final with a cráp team. You don't get past  3-0 the English league champion with a cráp team. They have experienced players, yes, so we football fans, what we should do is to acknowledge that sometimes when he say "He's past it" we're wrong.

Because Milan AC, in my view, does things without the ball very well. So do we, and that's why LFC reaches far, but there's no need to belittling Milan AC to make a point about Rafa.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

aCe' wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

GunGod wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

See what I mean?

No facts to back yourselves up, so you attempt to belittle me.

Read the first five decent pages of this thread lando, our points were proven there I for one am not ghoing to repeat myself to you. Read the f.ucking thread ! You may also see some objective views from posters like Mick and Scottbot.

Also you'll do well in noting that their was NO abuse what so ever in this thread, and Sabre was amongst the discussion too he wasnt hounded atall, people were fairly puttng there views accross of course until page six where the high and mighty self confest funny guy waded in with his usual tirade of abusive, and inevitably from there the thread went to the dogs, because as usuall if someone doesnt agree with the 'funny guy' especially about his pin-up Xabi Alonso all hells broken loose and expected rude outburts from the self proclaimed funny guy, ha that statement alomost has an air of Jose Mouriniho about it.

Short memory then? Or do things end with the locking of a thread?

I have read every post in this thread, and your reasons for selling Alonso are not facts. They are opinions.

So I say again - put up, or shut up.

And I am not the self-professed anything, you idiot. I was merely using another FACT to counter your arguement.

It really is quite simple - you accuse me of something (in this particular instance of "not being funny"), and I counter that with the fact that I was voted "funniest member" 2 years running.

Is this not a good counter, then? Does this not disprove your theory beyond all doubt?

And BigMick HAS discussed this topic, yes. He himself would agree, though, that he is not an authority on football, as has so far been proven by his "I know it's early, but..." series of threads, which are, by his own admission, hit and miss.

Oh, and just to further my point (don'tcha just LOVE facts?), Bigmick also stated a while ago that I was funny enough to be on TV.

Your move, c*nt... 

Mate you keep going on and on about your 'facts' and how you've been backing your arguments with 'facts'. The thing is, from something you wrote a few pages back:

"The thing is, an "assist" means that player was the last pperson to pass the ball to the scorer.Now try and find a stat which includes 2 or 3 passes before that.
I bet Alonso has at least 20."

Now this ain't a fact either. "I bet" is at best, an educated guess and at worst, a desperate attempt to win an argument.

So pls don't go on about others not talking about 'facts', for you don't seem to do it 100% either.

Not to mention that going by your assessment of assists, "I bet" Reina could probably have matched Alonso for his 20 with his goal kicks. 

*Sighs...

So that one statement means that every fact I have used just disappears, eh?

OK - for the cretins once again:

In his first season when he broke his ankle, our team missed Alonso more than any other player, and the wins/losses proves this.

FACT.

Rafa Benitez sees him as instrumental to the side, and has said he, along with Gerrard, JC and Reina are the players he sees as the spine of the team.

FACT.

Our clean-sheets record is as much Xabi's doing as any other member of the defense.

FACT, and if you wish to dispute this - look up his tackling stats on Opta. I read them in the paper a few weeks back, and he's had a lot bigger impact than you realise. I can't be a*sed to trawl through the net just to shut a bunch of tw*ts up.

Xabi is the only member of our squad able to regularly dictate the tempo of a game, and allow the team to play to it's strengths.

FACT.

Xabi is the brain on the pitch, and it's his tactical and positional awareness that allows our fullbacks to go forward and help the attack, our centrebacks to challenge for offensive corners, our players to have an outlet when under pressure, and, despite his brilliance at spotting a long pass, he can also do the simple things to great effect.

These, my friend, are FACTS.

If you wish to dispute them, all I can suggest is that you actually watch him, rather than beating your meat over Gerrard for 90 minutes.

facts ?!

we missed him is an opinion...

rafa rates him is rafa's opinion...its a fact rafa rates him but its also a fact X doesnt so not much going on for you there !

his tackles/game are a fact...nut im sure that list has many player with great tackles/game ratios who wont necessarily make good players for liverpool not to mention suit our style of play.

dictates tempo... i think hes been doing a lousy job dictating the tempo this season... he looked out of sorts in many games and HAS underperformed this season... dictating the tempo is much more than taking the ball from the defender and passing it to the next plpayer ... has to do with controlling the game and playing the right pass at the right time given the scoreline and the tactics.... he didnt shine in doing so this season ! + i think gerrard played in the middle as CM with him getting the passes and controlling the game like scholes does for manu... would do a better job than alonso does/did ! he is afterall the better player of the 2 dont you think ?!

brain on the pitch...mmm...sounds like an opinion to me...positional awarness you say... i say when defending hes very good but his attacking positioning and awarness are shitty ! he does all the defefsive work to near perfection when onform ill give hm that...but being played alongside a certain mascherano... i have to say that more is expectd for alonso ! u could argue its all in rafas tactics but thats a whole different discussion and would we would have to assert to assumptions in discussing !

you obviously rate alonso and so does pretty much everyone in this forum but ur reasoning is purely based on personal preference not FACTS....

p.s.... long way from funniest poster

Check the stats - we lost more games without him than we did without any other outfield player in his first season, despite not playing the hardest games. Is that a mere opinion? I think not.

The fact WAS that Rafa rated him. Take a look at what is written, digest it, THEN raise a point... (Mind you - we all know Rafa is just a fool who knows nothing about the game, don't we...?)

You talk rubbish. What I stated in each part was pure fact. How you can dispute that is beyond all f*cking sanity.

And once again - the humour comment was merely a means to an end, and was very tongue-in-cheek.

Mind you - I DID slate YOU quite vehemently, too...

peewee wrote:

Judge wrote:listen, im fucking right - FACT

is that a proper FACT or one of landos FACTS

my fact 

Lando_Griffin wrote:What happens if Mascher gets injured in the opening game of the season?

Lando_Griffin wrote:

murphy0151 wrote:My personnal view on the matter is Xabi Alonso is one of the best signings we have made in recent years.  But and a big but with the quality of our center mids at the moment is second to none.  I feel Rafa is trying to accomdate Xabi at the moment.  Hense the reason why Gerrrards played on the right and also in the hole.   I think Xabi would be a major loss but also we could benifit from him leaving.  This meaning the return to center mid for Gerrard.

So all in all if the price is right lets do buisness.  I wouldnt let him go for anything less than 20 million english pounds.

The thing is though, mate, that Gerrard has spent most of this season IN the centre, so to suggest that Alonso is to blame for Rafa utilizing Gerrard elsewhere is off the mark, IMHO.

This next part is directed at Peewee and his band of Merry men:

IF you believe Alonso to be second choice to Mascherano now, why would you want to put us in a position where we are entirely reliant on a player who is on loan? Why do you think we can do without Alonso, when he brings things to the table others do not?
What happens if Mascher gets injured in the opening game of the season?

Why do you think Barcelona want Xabi?

(And if any of your responses include the signing of Lucas, I would suggest you look again - the lad is not a holding midfielder.)

Answer these, and we can have a discussion.

Until then - you're just chatting sh*t.