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Judge wrote:listen, im fucking right - FACT

Bamaga man wrote:

In his first season when he broke his ankle, our team missed Alonso more than any other player, and the wins/losses proves this.

FACT.

Rafa Benitez sees him as instrumental to the side, and has said he, along with Gerrard, JC and Reina are the players he sees as the spine of the team.

FACT.

Our clean-sheets record is as much Xabi's doing as any other member of the defense.

FACT, and if you wish to dispute this - look up his tackling stats on Opta. I read them in the paper a few weeks back, and he's had a lot bigger impact than you realise. I can't be a*sed to trawl through the net just to shut a bunch of tw*ts up.

Xabi is the only member of our squad able to regularly dictate the tempo of a game, and allow the team to play to it's strengths.

FACT.

Xabi is the brain on the pitch, and it's his tactical and positional awareness that allows our fullbacks to go forward and help the attack, our centrebacks to challenge for offensive corners, our players to have an outlet when under pressure, and, despite his brilliance at spotting a long pass, he can also do the simple things to great effect.

These, my friend, are FACTS.

If you wish to dispute them, all I can suggest is that you actually watch him, rather than beating your meat over Gerrard for 90 minutes.

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You didnt use any of those FACTS to begin with , instead you let off abuse. Blaiming everyone else that they dont back there posts up with facts, apart what you've just posted you havent posted anything like that in here, you just resulted in slagging people off who had a different vielw.
You then brought Sabre into the arguement when there was no need for it, you brought him in to score points and rear old arguements again.

You resulted to slagging off people, using other people to back your arguements, and you wouldnt even consider listening to what other people say from their side of the debate.

Which leads me to believe, you cant hold a discussion without abusing someone unless of course they agree with you, your very one dimensional in your views and dont consider any one elses opinon. Which further more leads me to believe your bascially a f.ucking idiot, who spouts the loudest bollox ever heard on a Liverpool forum when things dont go his way. Now carry on and bash another one out over Alonso.

peewee wrote:well lando must be right, he knows best guys, i suppose we should all just give in, surely landos insistence that alonso shouldnt be sold will make rafa keep him, at the end of the day its landos decision who we sell so its futile anyone else having and opinion or they will get called nasty names


and how this can be a fact is beyond me, surely this is an opinion (no doubt you will come back with some cr@p about it being sarcastic etc etc etc)

FACT.

Xabi is the brain on the pitch, and it's his tactical and positional awareness that allows our fullbacks to go forward and help the attack, our centrebacks to challenge for offensive corners, our players to have an outlet when under pressure, and, despite his brilliance at spotting a long pass, he can also do the simple things to great effect.

bored with this now, its just going round in circles and the truth is nobody knows for certain, just some of us dont have to resort to retardation to give our opinion.


and still talking about your funniest guy vote, how sad that thats the greatest thing you have achieved in life, voted funniest guy on a forum, remember though liverpool fans dont always vote for the best, they just voted gerrard as the best player last season   

Listen, ningcompoop, Xabi DOES those things. Anyone with a pair of eyes can see that.

I take it that something that has happened, like your birth, for instance, isn't a fact, despite the fact that it so very obviously is?

You, friend, produce more sh*t than the entire Cattle stock of Great Britain.

Oh, and you keep on and on about that "funniest member" gag. I'm sure someone of your undoubted intelligence saw that for the sarcasm it was?

You haven't the brains you were born with. 

peewee wrote:listen lets just end the argument.


the FACT is last season we won f*ck all and took a massive step backwards in the league, if anyone thinks thats aceptable just f*ck off and support another team.

if anyone thinks that alonso is the be all and end all of LFC then i pity you and you have no right saying others have no knowledge of football when you are spouting this rubbish.


there, its settled

Lando_Griffin wrote:

peewee wrote:listen lets just end the argument.


the FACT is last season we won f*ck all and took a massive step backwards in the league, if anyone thinks thats aceptable just f*ck off and support another team.

if anyone thinks that alonso is the be all and end all of LFC then i pity you and you have no right saying others have no knowledge of football when you are spouting this rubbish.


there, its settled

No - let's not.

You seem to be under the impression that I think Alonso is the be all and end all of LFC - you're once again deluded.

I am simply stating that he is a lot more important to this team than the isolated idiots seem to think.

redtrader74 wrote:

s@int wrote:Sometimes in life you meet a person without the intelligence to grasp a reasoned argument , you are one such person. I gave my opinion if you dont like it LUMP IT.

Give it up, this place is for football DISCUSSION.
Grow up.

aCe' wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

GunGod wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

See what I mean?

No facts to back yourselves up, so you attempt to belittle me.

Read the first five decent pages of this thread lando, our points were proven there I for one am not ghoing to repeat myself to you. Read the f.ucking thread ! You may also see some objective views from posters like Mick and Scottbot.

Also you'll do well in noting that their was NO abuse what so ever in this thread, and Sabre was amongst the discussion too he wasnt hounded atall, people were fairly puttng there views accross of course until page six where the high and mighty self confest funny guy waded in with his usual tirade of abusive, and inevitably from there the thread went to the dogs, because as usuall if someone doesnt agree with the 'funny guy' especially about his pin-up Xabi Alonso all hells broken loose and expected rude outburts from the self proclaimed funny guy, ha that statement alomost has an air of Jose Mouriniho about it.

Short memory then? Or do things end with the locking of a thread?

I have read every post in this thread, and your reasons for selling Alonso are not facts. They are opinions.

So I say again - put up, or shut up.

And I am not the self-professed anything, you idiot. I was merely using another FACT to counter your arguement.

It really is quite simple - you accuse me of something (in this particular instance of "not being funny"), and I counter that with the fact that I was voted "funniest member" 2 years running.

Is this not a good counter, then? Does this not disprove your theory beyond all doubt?

And BigMick HAS discussed this topic, yes. He himself would agree, though, that he is not an authority on football, as has so far been proven by his "I know it's early, but..." series of threads, which are, by his own admission, hit and miss.

Oh, and just to further my point (don'tcha just LOVE facts?), Bigmick also stated a while ago that I was funny enough to be on TV.

Your move, c*nt... 

Mate you keep going on and on about your 'facts' and how you've been backing your arguments with 'facts'. The thing is, from something you wrote a few pages back:

"The thing is, an "assist" means that player was the last pperson to pass the ball to the scorer.Now try and find a stat which includes 2 or 3 passes before that.
I bet Alonso has at least 20."

Now this ain't a fact either. "I bet" is at best, an educated guess and at worst, a desperate attempt to win an argument.

So pls don't go on about others not talking about 'facts', for you don't seem to do it 100% either.

Not to mention that going by your assessment of assists, "I bet" Reina could probably have matched Alonso for his 20 with his goal kicks. 

*Sighs...

So that one statement means that every fact I have used just disappears, eh?

OK - for the cretins once again:

In his first season when he broke his ankle, our team missed Alonso more than any other player, and the wins/losses proves this.

FACT.

Rafa Benitez sees him as instrumental to the side, and has said he, along with Gerrard, JC and Reina are the players he sees as the spine of the team.

FACT.

Our clean-sheets record is as much Xabi's doing as any other member of the defense.

FACT, and if you wish to dispute this - look up his tackling stats on Opta. I read them in the paper a few weeks back, and he's had a lot bigger impact than you realise. I can't be a*sed to trawl through the net just to shut a bunch of tw*ts up.

Xabi is the only member of our squad able to regularly dictate the tempo of a game, and allow the team to play to it's strengths.

FACT.

Xabi is the brain on the pitch, and it's his tactical and positional awareness that allows our fullbacks to go forward and help the attack, our centrebacks to challenge for offensive corners, our players to have an outlet when under pressure, and, despite his brilliance at spotting a long pass, he can also do the simple things to great effect.

These, my friend, are FACTS.

If you wish to dispute them, all I can suggest is that you actually watch him, rather than beating your meat over Gerrard for 90 minutes.

facts ?!

we missed him is an opinion...

rafa rates him is rafa's opinion...its a fact rafa rates him but its also a fact X doesnt so not much going on for you there !

his tackles/game are a fact...nut im sure that list has many player with great tackles/game ratios who wont necessarily make good players for liverpool not to mention suit our style of play.

dictates tempo... i think hes been doing a lousy job dictating the tempo this season... he looked out of sorts in many games and HAS underperformed this season... dictating the tempo is much more than taking the ball from the defender and passing it to the next plpayer ... has to do with controlling the game and playing the right pass at the right time given the scoreline and the tactics.... he didnt shine in doing so this season ! + i think gerrard played in the middle as CM with him getting the passes and controlling the game like scholes does for manu... would do a better job than alonso does/did ! he is afterall the better player of the 2 dont you think ?!

brain on the pitch...mmm...sounds like an opinion to me...positional awarness you say... i say when defending hes very good but his attacking positioning and awarness are shitty ! he does all the defefsive work to near perfection when onform ill give hm that...but being played alongside a certain mascherano... i have to say that more is expectd for alonso ! u could argue its all in rafas tactics but thats a whole different discussion and would we would have to assert to assumptions in discussing !

you obviously rate alonso and so does pretty much everyone in this forum but ur reasoning is purely based on personal preference not FACTS....

p.s.... long way from funniest poster

Check the stats - we lost more games without him than we did without any other outfield player in his first season, despite not playing the hardest games. Is that a mere opinion? I think not.

The fact WAS that Rafa rated him. Take a look at what is written, digest it, THEN raise a point... (Mind you - we all know Rafa is just a fool who knows nothing about the game, don't we...?)

You talk rubbish. What I stated in each part was pure fact. How you can dispute that is beyond all f*cking sanity.

And once again - the humour comment was merely a means to an end, and was very tongue-in-cheek.

Mind you - I DID slate YOU quite vehemently, too...

s@int wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:

s@int wrote:Sometimes in life you meet a person without the intelligence to grasp a reasoned argument , you are one such person. I gave my opinion if you dont like it LUMP IT.

Give it up, this place is for football DISCUSSION.
Grow up.

I am quite happy that I have made my opinion on Alonso and you perfectly clear, if you wish to discuss either opinion further do it by PM .