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by **heimdall** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:00 pm

Wow deja vu, Saint and Lando attacking everyone again, well done for turning an interesting thread into sh1t.

BTW Lando I can't remember a single funny thing you have ever said, well not intentionally anyway :laugh:

In my opinion Manhattan is the funniest poster. :bowdown

BTW My opinion is that we SHOULD sell Xabi, he is over rated and the money we get from him could be used to strengthen more important areas. We have plenty of midfielders at the moment

by **Sabre** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:08 pm

Well of course My IQ cannot be matched to the likes of you and your bezzies but, anyhow, I do use the limited capability of my brain, as being constant and worker, is as important as being clever.

As I keep saying if we have the money there is no problem, I like Alonso , but hes the one player we can get decent money for who would be missed least(Sissoko is another option but I doubt we would get enough for him), so if push came to shove I would sell him. Its nice to have so much strength in midfield, it would be nice to have similar strength up front. Have we got the money for both, I don't know, do you?

Well, When Rafa arrived there was some talk about Gerrard leaving to Chelsea.

Rafa, as a manager, and with no Americans to back him up economically, tried to keep Gerrard at Liverpool. And He tried to add quality to the squad. Then, he had the likes of Carra, Gerrard, Alonso, Reina... and he has kept the key players all this 3 years. He has being adding other players, some of them very interesting for the team (Crouch, Kuyt) some of them weren't (Morientes, gonzalez), but he always tried to follow the basic rule of a team squad management: keep your key players.

So now that he has more money, I only find logical that he keeps that policy, that is, keeping the key players at LFC, while he adds quality to the squad. Without money he did that, with money, he'll do that aswell.

Of course, if Alonso wants to go and doesn't want to renew his contract, then he should sell him to earn money. But then, that's a big if.

by **grayghost** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:09 pm

If selling Alonso gets us 20mil plus then that is just good business and with a option to get Etoo then the club is rearly moving forward.

by **grayghost** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:15 pm

When Rafa talks about the new coatracts that need to be pencilled out then Alonso is always mentioned maybe its not Alonso that will be leaving but Sissoko.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:17 pm

GunGod wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
See what I mean?

No facts to back yourselves up, so you attempt to belittle me.

Read the first five decent pages of this thread lando, our points were proven there I for one am not ghoing to repeat myself to you. Read the f.ucking thread ! You may also see some objective views from posters like Mick and Scottbot.

Also you'll do well in noting that their was NO abuse what so ever in this thread, and Sabre was amongst the discussion too he wasnt hounded atall, people were fairly puttng there views accross of course until page six where the high and mighty self confest funny guy waded in with his usual tirade of abusive, and inevitably from there the thread went to the dogs, because as usuall if someone doesnt agree with the 'funny guy' especially about his pin-up Xabi Alonso all hells broken loose and expected rude outburts from the self proclaimed funny guy, ha that statement alomost has an air of Jose Mouriniho about it.

Short memory then? Or do things end with the locking of a thread?

I have read every post in this thread, and your reasons for selling Alonso are not facts. They are opinions.

So I say again - put up, or shut up.

And I am not the self-professed anything, you idiot. I was merely using another FACT to counter your arguement.

It really is quite simple - you accuse me of something (in this particular instance of "not being funny"), and I counter that with the fact that I was voted "funniest member" 2 years running.

Is this not a good counter, then? Does this not disprove your theory beyond all doubt?

And BigMick HAS discussed this topic, yes. He himself would agree, though, that he is not an authority on football, as has so far been proven by his "I know it's early, but..." series of threads, which are, by his own admission, hit and miss.

Oh, and just to further my point (don'tcha just LOVE facts?), Bigmick also stated a while ago that I was funny enough to be on TV.

Your move, c*nt...

Mate you keep going on and on about your 'facts' and how you've been backing your arguments with 'facts'. The thing is, from something you wrote a few pages back:

"The thing is, an "assist" means that player was the last pperson to pass the ball to the scorer.Now try and find a stat which includes 2 or 3 passes before that.
I bet Alonso has at least 20."

Now this ain't a fact either. "I bet" is at best, an educated guess and at worst, a desperate attempt to win an argument.

So pls don't go on about others not talking about 'facts', for you don't seem to do it 100% either.

Not to mention that going by your assessment of assists, "I bet" Reina could probably have matched Alonso for his 20 with his goal kicks.

*Sighs...

So that one statement means that every fact I have used just disappears, eh?

OK - for the cretins once again:

In his first season when he broke his ankle, our team missed Alonso more than any other player, and the wins/losses proves this.

FACT.

Rafa Benitez sees him as instrumental to the side, and has said he, along with Gerrard, JC and Reina are the players he sees as the spine of the team.

FACT.

Our clean-sheets record is as much Xabi's doing as any other member of the defense.

FACT, and if you wish to dispute this - look up his tackling stats on Opta. I read them in the paper a few weeks back, and he's had a lot bigger impact than you realise. I can't be a*sed to trawl through the net just to shut a bunch of tw*ts up.

Xabi is the only member of our squad able to regularly dictate the tempo of a game, and allow the team to play to it's strengths.

FACT.

Xabi is the brain on the pitch, and it's his tactical and positional awareness that allows our fullbacks to go forward and help the attack, our centrebacks to challenge for offensive corners, our players to have an outlet when under pressure, and, despite his brilliance at spotting a long pass, he can also do the simple things to great effect.

These, my friend, are FACTS.

If you wish to dispute them, all I can suggest is that you actually watch him, rather than beating your meat over Gerrard for 90 minutes.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:21 pm

heimdall wrote:Wow deja vu, Saint and Lando attacking everyone again, well done for turning an interesting thread into sh1t.

BTW Lando I can't remember a single funny thing you have ever said, well not intentionally anyway

In my opinion Manhattan is the funniest poster.

BTW My opinion is that we SHOULD sell Xabi, he is over rated and the money we get from him could be used to strengthen more important areas. We have plenty of midfielders at the moment

That's all very well. It tends not to be those that I have scolded in the past that vote for me in these things. I wonder why...?

Oh, and BTW - I remember not all that long ago when you were chatting sh*t and had many people telling you to stfu due to your inherent lack of footballing knowledge.

Still - selective memories, and all that...

P.S.

For the record, I do not believe myself to be this humour God or some such sh*te.

I was merely using that brilliant ally - the FACT - to shoot down the mooted claims of a short-sighted tw*t.

Anyone with a grain of intellect would realise that it was a tongue-in-cheek comment. (Sadly, that appears beyond the select few on here...)

by **grayghost** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:30 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
GunGod wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
See what I mean?

No facts to back yourselves up, so you attempt to belittle me.

Read the first five decent pages of this thread lando, our points were proven there I for one am not ghoing to repeat myself to you. Read the f.ucking thread ! You may also see some objective views from posters like Mick and Scottbot.

Also you'll do well in noting that their was NO abuse what so ever in this thread, and Sabre was amongst the discussion too he wasnt hounded atall, people were fairly puttng there views accross of course until page six where the high and mighty self confest funny guy waded in with his usual tirade of abusive, and inevitably from there the thread went to the dogs, because as usuall if someone doesnt agree with the 'funny guy' especially about his pin-up Xabi Alonso all hells broken loose and expected rude outburts from the self proclaimed funny guy, ha that statement alomost has an air of Jose Mouriniho about it.

Short memory then? Or do things end with the locking of a thread?

I have read every post in this thread, and your reasons for selling Alonso are not facts. They are opinions.

So I say again - put up, or shut up.

And I am not the self-professed anything, you idiot. I was merely using another FACT to counter your arguement.

It really is quite simple - you accuse me of something (in this particular instance of "not being funny"), and I counter that with the fact that I was voted "funniest member" 2 years running.

Is this not a good counter, then? Does this not disprove your theory beyond all doubt?

And BigMick HAS discussed this topic, yes. He himself would agree, though, that he is not an authority on football, as has so far been proven by his "I know it's early, but..." series of threads, which are, by his own admission, hit and miss.

Oh, and just to further my point (don'tcha just LOVE facts?), Bigmick also stated a while ago that I was funny enough to be on TV.

Your move, c*nt...

Mate you keep going on and on about your 'facts' and how you've been backing your arguments with 'facts'. The thing is, from something you wrote a few pages back:

"The thing is, an "assist" means that player was the last pperson to pass the ball to the scorer.Now try and find a stat which includes 2 or 3 passes before that.
I bet Alonso has at least 20."

Now this ain't a fact either. "I bet" is at best, an educated guess and at worst, a desperate attempt to win an argument.

So pls don't go on about others not talking about 'facts', for you don't seem to do it 100% either.

Not to mention that going by your assessment of assists, "I bet" Reina could probably have matched Alonso for his 20 with his goal kicks.

*Sighs...

So that one statement means that every fact I have used just disappears, eh?

OK - for the cretins once again:

In his first season when he broke his ankle, our team missed Alonso more than any other player, and the wins/losses proves this.

FACT.

Rafa Benitez sees him as instrumental to the side, and has said he, along with Gerrard, JC and Reina are the players he sees as the spine of the team.

FACT.

Our clean-sheets record is as much Xabi's doing as any other member of the defense.

FACT, and if you wish to dispute this - look up his tackling stats on Opta. I read them in the paper a few weeks back, and he's had a lot bigger impact than you realise. I can't be a*sed to trawl through the net just to shut a bunch of tw*ts up.

Xabi is the only member of our squad able to regularly dictate the tempo of a game, and allow the team to play to it's strengths.

FACT.

Xabi is the brain on the pitch, and it's his tactical and positional awareness that allows our fullbacks to go forward and help the attack, our centrebacks to challenge for offensive corners, our players to have an outlet when under pressure, and, despite his brilliance at spotting a long pass, he can also do the simple things to great effect.

These, my friend, are FACTS.

If you wish to dispute them, all I can suggest is that you actually watch him, rather than beating your meat over Gerrard for 90 minutes.

We did not have Masherino when Alonso broke his leg. With the inpact he has had maybe Rafa thinks he will be able to make a good profit on a player he could go with out. and with this levei fellow then we are pretty well of in the centre i think someone has to leave.

by **66-1112520797** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:30 pm

In his first season when he broke his ankle, our team missed Alonso more than any other player, and the wins/losses proves this.

FACT.

Rafa Benitez sees him as instrumental to the side, and has said he, along with Gerrard, JC and Reina are the players he sees as the spine of the team.

FACT.

Our clean-sheets record is as much Xabi's doing as any other member of the defense.

FACT, and if you wish to dispute this - look up his tackling stats on Opta. I read them in the paper a few weeks back, and he's had a lot bigger impact than you realise. I can't be a*sed to trawl through the net just to shut a bunch of tw*ts up.

Xabi is the only member of our squad able to regularly dictate the tempo of a game, and allow the team to play to it's strengths.

FACT.

Xabi is the brain on the pitch, and it's his tactical and positional awareness that allows our fullbacks to go forward and help the attack, our centrebacks to challenge for offensive corners, our players to have an outlet when under pressure, and, despite his brilliance at spotting a long pass, he can also do the simple things to great effect.

These, my friend, are FACTS.

If you wish to dispute them, all I can suggest is that you actually watch him, rather than beating your meat over Gerrard for 90 minutes.

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You didnt use any of those FACTS to begin with , instead you let off abuse. Blaiming everyone else that they dont back there posts up with facts, apart what you've just posted you havent posted anything like that in here, you just resulted in slagging people off who had a different vielw.
You then brought Sabre into the arguement when there was no need for it, you brought him in to score points and rear old arguements again.

You resulted to slagging off people, using other people to back your arguements, and you wouldnt even consider listening to what other people say from their side of the debate.

Which leads me to believe, you cant hold a discussion without abusing someone unless of course they agree with you, your very one dimensional in your views and dont consider any one elses opinon. Which further more leads me to believe your bascially a f.ucking idiot, who spouts the loudest bollox ever heard on a Liverpool forum when things dont go his way. Now carry on and bash another one out over Alonso.

by **66-1112520797** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:31 pm

That's all very well. It tends not to be those that I have scolded

You mean bullied or belittled ?

by **redtrader74** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:33 pm

s@int wrote:Sometimes in life you meet a person without the intelligence to grasp a reasoned argument , you are one such person. I gave my opinion if you dont like it LUMP IT.

Give it up, this place is for football DISCUSSION.
Grow up.

by **Sabre** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:34 pm

Well yes, Lando was abusive, that's true. But then a neutral reader only have to take each member, and remember how many spats he had in the forum in the past.

Without giving names, you'll realise that some members have spats regularly, others are banned regularly aswell, and some members avoid fights.

You'll also realise which members are interested in football, and which aren't.

So we all know well each other, there's no need to introduce ourselves.

I only ask one thing: I don't get 90% of the humour here, I'm a foreigner, but please let's talk about
Foooooootballl !!!!!! :buttrock

by **66-1112520797** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:36 pm

Sabre wrote:Well yes, Lando was abusive, that's true. But then a neutral reader only have to take each member, and remember how many spats he had in the forum in the past.

Without giving names, you'll realise that some members have spats regularly, others are banned regularly aswell, and some members avoid fights.

You'll also realise which members are interested in football, and which aren't.

So we all know well each other, there's no need to introduce ourselves.

I only ask one thing: I don't get 90% of the humour here, I'm a foreigner, but please let's talk about
Foooooootballl !!!!!!

And you also realise the members who regulaly stick the wooden spoon in and stir things up.

You also remember memebers who are very patronising towards others as if they know there footballl better than anyone else and try to educate the masses.

by **112-1077774096** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:37 pm

well lando must be right, he knows best guys, i suppose we should all just give in, surely landos insistence that alonso shouldnt be sold will make rafa keep him, at the end of the day its landos decision who we sell so its futile anyone else having and opinion or they will get called nasty names

and how this can be a fact is beyond me, surely this is an opinion (no doubt you will come back with some cr@p about it being sarcastic etc etc etc)

FACT.

Xabi is the brain on the pitch, and it's his tactical and positional awareness that allows our fullbacks to go forward and help the attack, our centrebacks to challenge for offensive corners, our players to have an outlet when under pressure, and, despite his brilliance at spotting a long pass, he can also do the simple things to great effect.

bored with this now, its just going round in circles and the truth is nobody knows for certain, just some of us dont have to resort to retardation to give our opinion.

and still talking about your funniest guy vote, how sad that thats the greatest thing you have achieved in life, voted funniest guy on a forum, remember though liverpool fans dont always vote for the best, they just voted gerrard as the best player last season

by **Sabre** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:39 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
Sabre wrote:Well yes, Lando was abusive, that's true. But then a neutral reader only have to take each member, and remember how many spats he had in the forum in the past.

Without giving names, you'll realise that some members have spats regularly, others are banned regularly aswell, and some members avoid fights.

You'll also realise which members are interested in football, and which aren't.

So we all know well each other, there's no need to introduce ourselves.

I only ask one thing: I don't get 90% of the humour here, I'm a foreigner, but please let's talk about
Foooooootballl !!!!!!

And you also realise the members who regulaly stick the wooden spoon in and stir things up.

You also remember memebers who are very patronising towards others as if they know there footballl better than anyone else and try to educate the masses.

As well, as well. Our readers are clever, they know all that. In fact, they have their own opinion, each of them. But I think you agree the main point: let's talk about football

by **aCe'** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:39 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
GunGod wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
See what I mean?

No facts to back yourselves up, so you attempt to belittle me.

Read the first five decent pages of this thread lando, our points were proven there I for one am not ghoing to repeat myself to you. Read the f.ucking thread ! You may also see some objective views from posters like Mick and Scottbot.

Also you'll do well in noting that their was NO abuse what so ever in this thread, and Sabre was amongst the discussion too he wasnt hounded atall, people were fairly puttng there views accross of course until page six where the high and mighty self confest funny guy waded in with his usual tirade of abusive, and inevitably from there the thread went to the dogs, because as usuall if someone doesnt agree with the 'funny guy' especially about his pin-up Xabi Alonso all hells broken loose and expected rude outburts from the self proclaimed funny guy, ha that statement alomost has an air of Jose Mouriniho about it.

Short memory then? Or do things end with the locking of a thread?

I have read every post in this thread, and your reasons for selling Alonso are not facts. They are opinions.

So I say again - put up, or shut up.

And I am not the self-professed anything, you idiot. I was merely using another FACT to counter your arguement.

It really is quite simple - you accuse me of something (in this particular instance of "not being funny"), and I counter that with the fact that I was voted "funniest member" 2 years running.

Is this not a good counter, then? Does this not disprove your theory beyond all doubt?

And BigMick HAS discussed this topic, yes. He himself would agree, though, that he is not an authority on football, as has so far been proven by his "I know it's early, but..." series of threads, which are, by his own admission, hit and miss.

Oh, and just to further my point (don'tcha just LOVE facts?), Bigmick also stated a while ago that I was funny enough to be on TV.

Your move, c*nt...

Mate you keep going on and on about your 'facts' and how you've been backing your arguments with 'facts'. The thing is, from something you wrote a few pages back:

"The thing is, an "assist" means that player was the last pperson to pass the ball to the scorer.Now try and find a stat which includes 2 or 3 passes before that.
I bet Alonso has at least 20."

Now this ain't a fact either. "I bet" is at best, an educated guess and at worst, a desperate attempt to win an argument.

So pls don't go on about others not talking about 'facts', for you don't seem to do it 100% either.

Not to mention that going by your assessment of assists, "I bet" Reina could probably have matched Alonso for his 20 with his goal kicks.

*Sighs...

So that one statement means that every fact I have used just disappears, eh?

OK - for the cretins once again:

In his first season when he broke his ankle, our team missed Alonso more than any other player, and the wins/losses proves this.

FACT.

Rafa Benitez sees him as instrumental to the side, and has said he, along with Gerrard, JC and Reina are the players he sees as the spine of the team.

FACT.

Our clean-sheets record is as much Xabi's doing as any other member of the defense.

FACT, and if you wish to dispute this - look up his tackling stats on Opta. I read them in the paper a few weeks back, and he's had a lot bigger impact than you realise. I can't be a*sed to trawl through the net just to shut a bunch of tw*ts up.

Xabi is the only member of our squad able to regularly dictate the tempo of a game, and allow the team to play to it's strengths.

FACT.

Xabi is the brain on the pitch, and it's his tactical and positional awareness that allows our fullbacks to go forward and help the attack, our centrebacks to challenge for offensive corners, our players to have an outlet when under pressure, and, despite his brilliance at spotting a long pass, he can also do the simple things to great effect.

These, my friend, are FACTS.

If you wish to dispute them, all I can suggest is that you actually watch him, rather than beating your meat over Gerrard for 90 minutes.

facts ?!

we missed him is an opinion...

rafa rates him is rafa's opinion...its a fact rafa rates him but its also a fact X doesnt so not much going on for you there !

his tackles/game are a fact...nut im sure that list has many player with great tackles/game ratios who wont necessarily make good players for liverpool not to mention suit our style of play.

dictates tempo... i think hes been doing a lousy job dictating the tempo this season... he looked out of sorts in many games and HAS underperformed this season... dictating the tempo is much more than taking the ball from the defender and passing it to the next plpayer ... has to do with controlling the game and playing the right pass at the right time given the scoreline and the tactics.... he didnt shine in doing so this season ! + i think gerrard played in the middle as CM with him getting the passes and controlling the game like scholes does for manu... would do a better job than alonso does/did ! he is afterall the better player of the 2 dont you think ?!

brain on the pitch...mmm...sounds like an opinion to me...positional awarness you say... i say when defending hes very good but his attacking positioning and awarness are shitty ! he does all the defefsive work to near perfection when onform ill give hm that...but being played alongside a certain mascherano... i have to say that more is expectd for alonso ! u could argue its all in rafas tactics but thats a whole different discussion and would we would have to assert to assumptions in discussing !

you obviously rate alonso and so does pretty much everyone in this forum but ur reasoning is purely based on personal preference not FACTS....

p.s.... long way from funniest poster

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