s@int wrote:LFC2007 wrote:peewee wrote:LFC2007 wrote:the greatest European Cup final win of all time, the greatest FA cup win of all time and another European Cup final.
and they were the greatest finals because we let both teams put three past us, neither final win was convincing
The convincing finals are never the best, at least Rafa got us there, and got us there with an incredibly depleted squad against some of the best teams in Europe.
Under Houllier we probably a) wouldn't have got there in the first place and b) probably wouldn't have come back from 3 down against AC Milan.
I dont think anyone is trying to say Houllier was a great manager, which is why we are so disappointed that our league positions arn't much better under Benitez.
We never won the Cl under Shankly but no one doubts he was a great manager...... because he won League titles.
I don't doubt Benitez mate, I just wish he would hurry up
yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:s@int wrote:LFC2007 wrote:peewee wrote:LFC2007 wrote:the greatest European Cup final win of all time, the greatest FA cup win of all time and another European Cup final.
and they were the greatest finals because we let both teams put three past us, neither final win was convincing
The convincing finals are never the best, at least Rafa got us there, and got us there with an incredibly depleted squad against some of the best teams in Europe.
Under Houllier we probably a) wouldn't have got there in the first place and b) probably wouldn't have come back from 3 down against AC Milan.
I dont think anyone is trying to say Houllier was a great manager, which is why we are so disappointed that our league positions arn't much better under Benitez.
We never won the Cl under Shankly but no one doubts he was a great manager...... because he won League titles.
I don't doubt Benitez mate, I just wish he would hurry up
shanks won 3 league titles in 15 years, 4 if you count the second division title.
that total when compared to the amount of titles managers like paisley and ferguson won is not really a lot but the man is almost a christ like figure to reds and do you know why?
because back then reds fans had perspective and didnt expect a lot.
shankly took a struggling second division outfit and turned it into a major player in england and europe and reds fans were grateful, they didnt say `why arent we winning the league every year` like fans these days.
if rafa had acheived what he has in front of the fans of the late 50`s / 60`s / early 70`s he would be hero worshipped the same as shanks, its only because this generation of fans are never happy.
they see winning the league as acceptable rather than great success.
redtrader74 wrote:We have a manager right now, who has been there and bought the tee shirt, it is just that we are far more impatient now than we ever were.
These days, Shanks may have been worried for his job. Fans were fans of the clubs, not of their trophy cabinet, unlike now.
s@int wrote:redtrader74 wrote:We have a manager right now, who has been there and bought the tee shirt, it is just that we are far more impatient now than we ever were.
These days, Shanks may have been worried for his job. Fans were fans of the clubs, not of their trophy cabinet, unlike now.
No mate Benitez hasnt shown he can win the Prem yet. Hasnt even come close yet!
Rafa-Dodd wrote:I can't think of one other manager I would want in charge of my club right now.
That speaks volumes.
s@int wrote:yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:s@int wrote:LFC2007 wrote:peewee wrote:LFC2007 wrote:the greatest European Cup final win of all time, the greatest FA cup win of all time and another European Cup final.
and they were the greatest finals because we let both teams put three past us, neither final win was convincing
The convincing finals are never the best, at least Rafa got us there, and got us there with an incredibly depleted squad against some of the best teams in Europe.
Under Houllier we probably a) wouldn't have got there in the first place and b) probably wouldn't have come back from 3 down against AC Milan.
I dont think anyone is trying to say Houllier was a great manager, which is why we are so disappointed that our league positions arn't much better under Benitez.
We never won the Cl under Shankly but no one doubts he was a great manager...... because he won League titles.
I don't doubt Benitez mate, I just wish he would hurry up
shanks won 3 league titles in 15 years, 4 if you count the second division title.
that total when compared to the amount of titles managers like paisley and ferguson won is not really a lot but the man is almost a christ like figure to reds and do you know why?
because back then reds fans had perspective and didnt expect a lot.
shankly took a struggling second division outfit and turned it into a major player in england and europe and reds fans were grateful, they didnt say `why arent we winning the league every year` like fans these days.
if rafa had acheived what he has in front of the fans of the late 50`s / 60`s / early 70`s he would be hero worshipped the same as shanks, its only because this generation of fans are never happy.
they see winning the league as acceptable rather than great success.
This generation of fans has never even seen Liverpool as League Champions, so you can't blame them for being impatient. I started watching liverpool in 1968 and it was 1973 before I had the pleasure (I had seen them lift it in '66 but only on tv) so I had a 6 year wait. The young/not so young fans of today have been waiting 17 years and more.
The only difference being they have seen Liverpool winning trophys in the last 17 years whereas Liverpool didn't even win an egg cup from 68 - 73.
However every season I expected a title challenge, just as I do now, even in the dire years 69/70 and 70/71. Maybe because we had a manager who had been there and bought the tea-shirt we were more patient.
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