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by **Ace Ventura** » Fri May 11, 2007 4:56 pm

Reg wrote:That link won't reassure anyone as Brazilian club football no better than Tranmere on a good day.

Whats the golden boot won for in the Brazilian league, obviously most of the time its for top goalscorer, but is that the case in their league ?
Only asking as it would be very unlikely that a centre midfielder and one who is described as a defensive midfielder...would finish top scorer in the whole league.

by **Effes** » Fri May 11, 2007 5:05 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:
Reg wrote:That link won't reassure anyone as Brazilian club football no better than Tranmere on a good day.

Whats the golden boot won for in the Brazilian league, obviously most of the time its for top goalscorer, but is that the case in their league ?
Only asking as it would be very unlikely that a centre midfielder and one who is described as a defensive midfielder...would finish top scorer in the whole league.

Rafa quote on.tv:

"He can play as a holding midfielder but he can also get from box to box and so I am looking forward to seeing him score goals for Liverpool in the future.

I think the golden boot is for best player in the league.

by **Reg** » Fri May 11, 2007 5:19 pm

Jeez I look after you lads....... note its a rating system and not just based on goal scoring.

++ Note the inclusion of Tevez in past winners.
++ Note the great company of previous young winners that Lucas joins.

Bola de Ouro (run by Placar Magazine not the Brazilian FA)

The Bola de Ouro (Golden Ball) is an award offered by Placar magazine to the
best player of the Brazilian Championship since 1973. The award is given based
on scores given by Placar journalists during each match of the competition.
The best one for each field position win the Bola de Prata (Silver Ball), and
the player with the best score win the Bola de Ouro.

Year Winner (Team)
1971 DIRCEU LOPES (Cruzeiro)*
1972 Elías FIGUEROA (Internacional)*

1973 Augustín CEJAS (Santos) e Atílio ANCHETA (Grêmio)
1974 ZICO (Flamengo)
1975 WALDIR PEREZ (São Paulo)
1976 Elías FIGUEROA (Internacional)
1977 Toninho CEREZO (Atlético Mineiro)
1978 Paulo Roberto FALCÃO (Internacional)
1979 Paulo Roberto FALCÃO (Internacional)
1980 Toninho CEREZO (Atlético Mineiro)
1981 PAULO ISIDORO (Atlético Mineiro)
1982 ZICO (Flamengo)
1983 ROBERTO COSTA (Atlético Paranaense)
1984 ROBERTO COSTA (Vasco da Gama)
1985 MARINHO (Bangu)
1986 CARECA (São Paulo)
1987 RENATO GAÚCHO (Flamengo)**
1988 Cláudio André TAFFAREL (Internacional)
1989 RICARDO ROCHA (São Paulo)
1990 CÉSAR SAMPAIO (Santos)
1991 MAURO SILVA (Bragantino)
1992 JÚNIOR (Flamengo)
1993 CÉSAR SAMPAIO (Palmeiras)
1994 Márcio AMOROSO (Guarani)
1995 GIOVANNI (Santos)
1996 DJALMINHA (Palmeiras)
1997 EDMUNDO (Vasco da Gama)
1998 EDÍLSON (Corinthians)
1999 MARCELINHO CARIOCA (Corinthians)
2000 ROMÁRIO (Vasco da Gama)***
2001 ALEX MINEIRO (Atlético Paranaense)
2002 KAKÁ (São Paulo)
2003 ALEX (Cruzeiro)
2004 ROBINHO (Santos)
2005 Carlos TEVEZ (Corinthians)
2006 LUCAS (Grêmio)

* These players were the best scored in 1971 and 1972, but they were not awarded because
the Bola de Ouro award started only in 1973.
** In 1987, only players of Copa União were awarded.
*** In 2000, only players of the Blue Module of Copa João Havelange were awarded.

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Players with most wins

2 Toninho CEREZO
CÉSAR SAMPAIO
Paulo Roberto FALCÃO
ROBERTO COSTA
ZICO

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Clubwise list of winners

4 Flamengo
Internacional
Santos
São Paulo
3 Atlético Mineiro
Corinthians
Vasco da Gama
2 Atlético Paranaense
Grêmio
Palmeiras
1 Bangu
Bragantino
Cruzeiro
Guarani

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Foreign Winners

1973 - Augustín CEJAS (Argentina)
1973 - Atílio ANCHETA (Uruguay)
1976 - Elías FIGUEROA (Chile)
2005 - Carlos TEVEZ (Argentina)

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Keeping the Trophy

Only two players had won the Bola de Ouro in consecutive years:
1978/79 - Paulo Roberto FALCÃO (Internacional)
1983/84 - ROBERTO COSTA (Atlético-PR & Vasco da Gama)

And only two clubs had won Bola de Ouro in two consecutive years:
1978/79 - INTERNACIONAL (Falcão)
1998/99 - CORINTHIANS (Marcelinho Carioca; Edílson)

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Youngest and Oldest Winners

Junior was the oldest winner of Bola de Ouro. He was 38 in 1992.
Romário was 34 in 2000.

Youngest winners:

Lucas (was 19y10m24d at the finish of 2006 championship).
Márcio Amoroso (was 20y5m13d at the finish of 1994 championship).
Kaká (was 20y7m23d at the finish of 2002 championship).
Robinho (was 20y10m24d at the finish of 2004 championship).

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Statewise list of winners

14 São Paulo (SP)
9 Rio de Janeiro (RJ)
6 Rio Grande do Sul (RS)
3 Minas Gerais (MG)
2 Paraná (PR)

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Most number of consecutive awards by state

4 São Paulo: 1993 (César Sampaio, Palmeiras)
1994 (Amoroso, Guarani)
1995 (Giovanni, Santos)
1996 (Djalminha, Palmeiras)
3 São Paulo: 1989 (Ricardo Rocha, São Paulo)
1990 (César Sampaio, Santos)
1991 (Mauro Silva, Bragantino)

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Awards by field position

17 Midfielders
10 Strikers
5 Goalkeepers
3 Defenders

Note also:

He was voted in the best position catigory for ATTACKING MIDFIELD.

A summary of all position winners, starting with the goalie:

2006
G: Rogério Ceni (São Paulo)
LD: Ilsinho (São Paulo)
Z: Índio (Internacional)
Z: Fabão (São Paulo)
LE: Kléber (Santos)
V: Lucas (Grêmio)
V: Mineiro (São Paulo)
M: Wagner (Cruzeiro)
M: Zé Roberto (Botafogo)
A: Fernandão (Internacional)
A: Aloísio (São Paulo)

Took me ages to type all that......... :;):

by **Reg** » Fri May 11, 2007 5:24 pm

Post of the freakin' year or what?

by **Sabre** » Fri May 11, 2007 5:29 pm

At least the post of the page!

Thas list is impressive, from Elias Figueroa, to Mauro Silva, Romario, Kaka... chances are that we've signed a great player.

Not all of the list impressed afterwards (Giovanni was just OK in my book) but that list is fúcking impressive.

by **jaytoothetee** » Fri May 11, 2007 5:36 pm

hmmm.. sounds like a good signing imo.

still not sure of his position tho... he's a dm in fm2007, but rafa said that he will get a few goals, and in that vid he looks quite an attacking player.

imo he would play very well in the amc position in a 4231.

btw, it's going to be difficult telling him and voronin apart sometimes

by **gato_busta** » Fri May 11, 2007 5:43 pm

I really dont think he will play as a defensive midfielder in Liverpool, at least when I've seen him he did not seem too defensive. He would be more like Gerrard, not as physical but versatile. I hope he plays as an attacking midfielder sicne he can bring that brazilian flair into the game :P

by **zarababe** » Fri May 11, 2007 6:05 pm

This is the real Rafa revolution now - stocking up on the best young talent for the future and hopefully some good signings to come in to the first team in the summer - I'm sooo excited

by **Bad Bob** » Fri May 11, 2007 6:24 pm

So, it appears that while the supporters all dream of a team of Carraghers, Rafa dreams of a team of central midfielders.

This kid sounds like a prospect but if his arrival is down to the fact that one of our other CMs--and you know which one I'm most concerned with

--is leaving, I will not be a happy chappy. :no

by **inglis5** » Fri May 11, 2007 6:27 pm

Bad Bob wrote:So, it appears that while the supporters all dream of a team of Carraghers, Rafa dreams of a team of central midfielders. This kid sounds like a prospect but if his arrival is down to the fact that one of our other CMs--and you know which one I'm most concerned with --is leaving, I will not be a happy chappy.

I posted this in the rumor thread when this was still a rumour but I think it's still relevant. I wouldn't worry too much about Alonso, I think Sissoko is on the way out....

Rafa has said before that he sees Alonso as an "attacking" central midfielder. The purchase of a new defensive CM would, in my opinion, put more pressure on Sissoko than Alonso.

The Alonso contract situation is worrying though. If he can indeed buy his own contract out at the end of the season then all these stories of swap deals involving Etoo would appear to be false.

I think Rafa wants Alonso to stay and Alonso wants to stay, this whole situation is just brinkmanship regarding the length and size of his new contract.

Personally a midfield made up of a combination of any of the four remaining players - Gerrard, Mascherano, Alonso or Lucas - would be capable of doing a job. Whereas if you replace Alonso with Sissoko it looks too negative...

This whole summer is going to be very strange as we won't know exactly Rafa has in store until the end of August. In Rafa we (must) trust

by **gato_busta** » Fri May 11, 2007 6:28 pm

Bad Bob wrote:So, it appears that while the supporters all dream of a team of Carraghers, Rafa dreams of a team of central midfielders. This kid sounds like a prospect but if his arrival is down to the fact that one of our other CMs--and you know which one I'm most concerned with --is leaving, I will not be a happy chappy.

oh no... you dont mean... ZENDEN?!

:rasp

by **Reg** » Fri May 11, 2007 6:31 pm

Sabre wrote:At least the post of the page!

You are way too gracious in your praise !!

Happy friday night to all.
Reg

by **Sabre** » Fri May 11, 2007 6:36 pm

inglis5 wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:So, it appears that while the supporters all dream of a team of Carraghers, Rafa dreams of a team of central midfielders. This kid sounds like a prospect but if his arrival is down to the fact that one of our other CMs--and you know which one I'm most concerned with --is leaving, I will not be a happy chappy.

I posted this in the rumor thread when this was still a rumour but I think it's still relevant. I wouldn't worry too much about Alonso, I think Sissoko is on the way out....

Rafa has said before that he sees Alonso as an "attacking" central midfielder. The purchase of a new defensive CM would, in my opinion, put more pressure on Sissoko than Alonso.

The Alonso contract situation is worrying though. If he can indeed buy his own contract out at the end of the season then all these stories of swap deals involving Etoo would appear to be false.

I think Rafa wants Alonso to stay and Alonso wants to stay, this whole situation is just brinkmanship regarding the length and size of his new contract.

Personally a midfield made up of a combination of any of the four remaining players - Gerrard, Mascherano, Alonso or Lucas - would be capable of doing a job. Whereas if you replace Alonso with Sissoko it looks too negative...

This whole summer is going to be very strange as we won't know exactly Rafa has in store until the end of August. In Rafa we (must) trust

Excuse me Inglis5, the bit about Rafa seeing Alonso as an attacking midfielder petrified me. :oh:

When and where did he say that? I'd love to see the context!

LFC2007 dispelled the other day my doubts in another post about Alonso, when he wrote that Alonso said I want to win the premiership and he'll stay. WHen both sides of the story want to understand, the agreement is a matter of time.

We're going to lose probably Zenden, and if this is the replacement it seems we are in the good way to improve a squad, remove the weak link, include an (apparently) strong player.

by **Bad Bob** » Fri May 11, 2007 6:46 pm

inglis5 wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:So, it appears that while the supporters all dream of a team of Carraghers, Rafa dreams of a team of central midfielders. This kid sounds like a prospect but if his arrival is down to the fact that one of our other CMs--and you know which one I'm most concerned with --is leaving, I will not be a happy chappy.

I posted this in the rumor thread when this was still a rumour but I think it's still relevant. I wouldn't worry too much about Alonso, I think Sissoko is on the way out....

Rafa has said before that he sees Alonso as an "attacking" central midfielder. The purchase of a new defensive CM would, in my opinion, put more pressure on Sissoko than Alonso.

The Alonso contract situation is worrying though. If he can indeed buy his own contract out at the end of the season then all these stories of swap deals involving Etoo would appear to be false.

I think Rafa wants Alonso to stay and Alonso wants to stay, this whole situation is just brinkmanship regarding the length and size of his new contract.

Personally a midfield made up of a combination of any of the four remaining players - Gerrard, Mascherano, Alonso or Lucas - would be capable of doing a job. Whereas if you replace Alonso with Sissoko it looks too negative...

This whole summer is going to be very strange as we won't know exactly Rafa has in store until the end of August. In Rafa we (must) trust

Well, according to this, both Alonso and Sissoko are still part of Rafa's plans for next season:

Alonso still a key player - Benitez May 9 2007

by Ian Doyle, Liverpool Daily Post

XABI ALONSO has been reassured he remains an integral part of Rafael Benitez’s plans.

Alonso was surprisingly dropped to the bench for the Champions League semi-final second leg victory over Chelsea at Anfield last week.

The 26-year-old, who had previously started all of Liverpool’s key games under Benitez when available, was usurped from central midfield by Javier Mascherano and Steven Gerrard.

It sparked fresh rumours of a move away from Anfield, with Barcelona known suitors of the Spain international.

While Alonso eventually played a part in helping Liverpool seal a place in the Athens final against AC Milan by scoring in the penalty shoot-out against Chelsea, a fit Momo Sissoko didn’t even feature among the substitutes.

But Benitez reckons both midfielders accept the competition for places and will play a part for Liverpool next season.

“I think Xabi understands,” said the Liverpool manager. “The players they know me.

“They know I can change one or two players but that doesn't mean I am disappointed with them.

“I was talking with Sissoko. The last two or three weeks he has had more problems because Mascherano was playing well and Gerrard was in the middle.

“I said to him it was not a problem because we will play 60 games next season and we need a lot of good players. We have injuries also.

“All the players must be a little bit disappointed if they don't play, but they need to have respect for their team-mates. Xabi is a good professional and it is not a problem.”

by **gato_busta** » Fri May 11, 2007 6:48 pm

Correct me if im wrong but Rafa said that Alonso was the only defensive midfielder we had when Mascherano came, and said that it was the only place on the field there was no competition and that Javier would put some pressure on Xabi. As I said before, I doubt that Lucas will play a defensive role, as I see him more like Gerrard, where if he played in a defensive role we would not be taking advantage of his skills. He is probably the replacement for Zenden as sabre stated.

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