LIVERPOOL vs CHELSEA - CL SEMI-FINAL 2ND LEG, BABY!!!!

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Postby red37 » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:08 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:the amount of times i sore Kuyt Fannying around on the edge of the box was unreal

Not just the opponents box either...

Were things that unstable at the back that our primary goal threat (?) has to come and help out?  I mean Rushie used to track back ffs. But not to the detriment of almost completely (oximoron's are in fashion again btw) obliterating our own attacking prowess *cough* up the other end. The counter was on and who's left up top? - Crouch with no one to feed off his hold ups...allowing possession to be squandered. Again. I truly though Rafa would have opted for Sami in this one...Agger was like a rabbit caught in the headlights tonight. Sad to say.

One thing ive noticed with Kuyt is, he seems very reluctant to attempt a snap shot, the first time effort. We seen Drogba attempt many times through the season, and again tonight..Rooney won the game last night with a similar effort. But Kuyt doesn't seem to have that predatory instinct on the end of his boots. Too many touches to be surefooted enough first before striking on goal, almost as if the lad is over compensating on the side of caution. Lacking confidence still...

Chelsea played this one like the away side tonight and fair credit to JM for sussing us out. But we look limp, lifeless and clueless in the final third, in particular the box. The only one who is more than capable of providing that specific threat will more than likely get overlooked again in the return as well.  :no
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:08 pm

Mourinho was disappointed his side were not awarded a second-half penalty when Liverpool's Alvaro Arbeloa handled, although replays showed the incident took place well outside the area.

He said: "I don't understand why we don't have penalties when they are so clear.

"I don't think anybody can say it was not a penalty. It's happening and happening and happening.

"It's a big chance for 2-0 and 2-0 is a completely different game.

"I hope after the second leg we are not crying again about a big decision, like two years ago. I hope we do enough not to look back."

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Postby kunilson » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:09 pm

weird. i wasn't disappointed or happy with the result. I told myself that id have been happy enough with a 1-0 loss at the beginning, but that nagging thought of them scoring 1 meaning we would have to score 3 is whats tipping me off to the dark side...

we are MORE than capable of turning this tie around. a 1-0 loss away in europe is generally thought of as a good-ish result for the away team, and with the 2nd leg at anfield there's no reason to be too upset.
the team looked way too nervous in the opening 20 or so minutes, and we were making stupid mistakes. Even though i was shocked to see Zenden play, i have to admit he's had worse games in a red shirt....he didn't play THAT bad. i thought that because Chelsea play so narrow, that we would have exploited that with at least a winger or two...but rafa thought different.

i was screaming for an away goal before the game, because now we really need all of our shooting boots on for the home tie...none of this missed chance-played so well-controlled the ball :censored:.

They will be definately playing counter the whole way through the next game and we need to go for the jugular straight away. Convert the chances we make during our dominant periods of the game, which we didn't do in the 2nd half.

come on the pool. YNWA!
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Postby Emerald Red » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:09 pm

I'm not worried. We'll do them at Anfield.

By the way, how much are we missing Luis Garcia? And don't get me started on Zenden - he was awful tonight on the left, and Riise was no better.
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Postby Kharhaz » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:11 pm

We werent at our best tonight, and we all know full well Anfield will be a totally different match, I think though, and so does my missus, that the performance tonight from Liverpool was because of them flags the chelsea "supporters" were waving, I mean COME ON? ??? ive seen conference matches with better showings off support ! I cant help but laugh though, to see all these chumpstains waving the same pound shop flags to support there team is just,well....laughable !
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Postby SuperScouser » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:12 pm

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Postby Dundalk » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:13 pm

Kharhaz wrote:We werent at our best tonight, and we all know full well Anfield will be a totally different match, I think though, and so does my missus, that the performance tonight from Liverpool was because of them flags the chelsea "supporters" were waving, I mean COME ON? ??? ive seen conference matches with better showings off support ! I cant help but laugh though, to see all these chumpstains waving the same pound shop flags to support there team is just,well....laughable !

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Postby Simari » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:13 pm

2 years ago, we had to score and not conceed.

Next tuesday, we have to score and not conceed.

Not much has changed.

What people tend to forget is this:

It is Anfield that wins us those European nights, Anfield will win it for us next tuesday.
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Postby The Bench » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:14 pm

What price a fit Luis Garcia or Harry Kewell now? - Bad bob.

Absa- :censored:-lutely my friend, missing that little bit of creativity and inventiveness all calender year, not just tonight.
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Postby Sabre » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:18 pm

SuperScoucer wrote:Where you get these cool signatures from ???

When you read all the threads, of the general discussion, the forum automatically sends a report to jonnymac who will make one for ya.

Don't try to cheat, if you browse the pages quickly, the system will notice it.
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:24 pm

In the middle, I'm with Sabre--Alonso had a strong game.  He made a decent fist of the Sissoko ball hunter role and he was generally strong in the tackle.  Except at the very end, I thought his distribution was spot on and he was the only player working to switch play quickly, which was our best chance of getting in behind their defenders.  Unfortunately, when one of your targets is Zenden, there's only so much that can be done.  I thought it was a classic game of Alonso doing all the unsung things well, yet people moaning that he wasn't contributing anything.  Mascherano, too, had a decent game but he was in tough dealing with Joe Cole's clever little runs and constant movement


Agreed with most of your post, but that I couldnt swallow. His distribution was pretty poor for most part of the game. Infact his square passes of 10/15 yards were okay at times. But when he had to play the ball forward it was very poor. He didnt play as well as he can, the unsung things also. He did look slow and and out of sorts when Lampard and J.Cole went forward in support of their players.
I think Rafa was right in bringing him off he had a shocker, and maybe Alonso should of came off 10 mins earlier. One because he wasnt at the races and two, to offer us as an attacking threat through the center with Gerrard.

If we go a goal down then are trying to get back into the game, one of either Mascha or Alonso HAS to ake way. There is no threat whatsoever in the middle and both are similar players that would rather sit back and shield the defence.
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Postby red37 » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:24 pm

Sabre wrote:jonnymac who will make one for ya.

not all of em  :eyebrow
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Postby Emerald Red » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:26 pm

Sabre wrote:
SuperScoucer wrote:Where you get these cool signatures from ???

When you read all the threads, of the general discussion, the forum automatically sends a report to jonnymac who will make one for ya.

Don't try to cheat, if you browse the pages quickly, the system will notice it.

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Postby Redman in wales » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:39 pm

Bad Bob wrote:Well, it could have been much worse and a big thank you to Reina for keeping out Fat Fwank's shots.  How livid would we have been if that numpty was on the score sheet?!?

A nervous performance from most of the lads tonight which, given how brave our performance was at the Nou Camp, is worrisome.  Let's hope the Anfield crowd gives the lads a huge lift next week and puts the wind up their back.

The goal was a classic pacey counterattack, aided by Agger getting sucked in by Drogba twice and by Arbeloa letting Cole slip past him.  There other shots were down to Drogba's tenacity and vision.  Yes, he dives, he moans, he plays mind games and all that.  But he's a good player that can take a game by the scruff of the neck and he MUST be neutralized much better next week.  I don't think Hyypia has the pace to live with him when he runs the channels so I hope Agger really ups his game next Tuesday.

As for our side, there's the obvious target that is Bolo Zenden.  First off, how little confidence does Rafa have in Gonzales to not even bring him on late, after Zenden had toiled in futility for the whole match?  The future does not look bright for the Chilean.  There's no question that the only reason Zenden was on the pitch was due to the injury to Finnan (otherwise, Arbeloa's at LB and Riise's at LM).  And, he did carve out a lot of possession--but, of course, I think Chelsea were more than content to give it to him.  That's because he did so little with the ball.  He didn't have the pace to beat Ferreira (how many crosses were charged down?) and he was pretty weak when he checked back onto his right foot...why wouldn't they let him see a lot of the ball?  The only threat down that flank came in the second half, with Riise pushing up more and putting in some decent balls (which ALMOST made up for his shocking passing in the first half).

On the other side, Gerrard had to go ball hunting through the middle in order to feel involved in the first half, which cost us our shape and provided no outlet on that flank.  If Bellamy had wanted to be of greater use, he might have pushed out to the right but, as it was, he was anonymous.  Gerrard was clearly told to stay toward the touchline in the second half but they had him covered pretty well and Arbeloa, understandably, was reluctant to get forward.  Nonetheless, as usual, Stevie created our most threatening moves but, as Stu's said, one shot from distance on his weaker foot makes for a poor team effort at getting him the ball in dangerous positions.

In the middle, I'm with Sabre--Alonso had a strong game.  He made a decent fist of the Sissoko ball hunter role and he was generally strong in the tackle.  Except at the very end, I thought his distribution was spot on and he was the only player working to switch play quickly, which was our best chance of getting in behind their defenders.  Unfortunately, when one of your targets is Zenden, there's only so much that can be done.  I thought it was a classic game of Alonso doing all the unsung things well, yet people moaning that he wasn't contributing anything.  Mascherano, too, had a decent game but he was in tough dealing with Joe Cole's clever little runs and constant movement.

Up top, I agree that this was not a game for Bellamy.  Unfortunately, most games with little space for him to run in aren't and that's why I think he'll be surplus to requirements next season.  We need a striker with equivalent pace but who can also do more in tight spaces.  Kuyt, as usual worked hard but rarely looked a goal threat.  Too often he showed for the ball deep in "the hole," spread the play to Zenden and then failed to get into the box for the return ball.  Crouch did alright but I agree with Ivor--Chelsea can handle the speculative high ball into the box quite well (at both ends of the pitch) and there were very few whipped crosses for him to get on the end of.

This thing's still salvageable but we really need to up our game in all areas of the pitch next week.  Going at them hammer and tongs for a goal is necessary (because we're p!ss poor at creating late goals) but we can't afford to get hit on the counter either.  I'd like to see 4-1-4-1 with Gerrard and Alonso playing ahead of Mascherano and Pennant and Riise out wide, with Crouch up top.  What price a fit Luis Garcia or Harry Kewell now? ???

I'd agree with just about all of that. espec team selection
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Postby Scottbot » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:09 am

Had a quick scan over the comments and this thread so here's may take on the game. You can talk about tactics and whether the manager got his team selection right tonight but if you play as nervously in that first half as we did then it all goes out the window anyway. Sloppy passes, missed tackles and botched headers were the story of our 1st 30 minutes but once they got the goal i really thought we were there for the taking. I would have bitten your hand off if offered 1-0 at that time but chelsea took their foot right off the pedal, slowed everything down and let us play our way back into the game (without really creating anything) from there on in. Also, while everyone is bemoaning our lack of creativity in attack let's not forget this Chelsea have the best defensive record in the league and they very rarely concede let alone lose at the bridge.

I see Zenden is taking lot of flack on here tonight (everynight!) and he deserves some of it but i don't think he was quite as poor as some are making out. I'm sure Gonzo would getting just as much flak had he played. It was a real baptism of fire for young Danny Agger and you have to hand it to Drogba because he had an absolute stormer, even Sami would have had his hands full. I thought Reina was comfortably our best player, We missed Finnan like hell and it was a shame we didn't have the cover to play Riise further up the pitch.

If you want to talk about tactics i guess you can say maureen got his right tonight because their back line played quite deep and invited us on (a bit like houllier's reds) and they got us turned around time and time again.

Still think they have let us right off the hook though and the tie is far from over. They need to go and win at a physical Bolton side this Saturday so i fancy they will be pretty tired  and IF we find ourselves playing extra-time and 1-0 up at Anfield next week you would fancy our chances. As for maud's comments about the penalty claim. You have to laugh it was bloody ludicrous, the guy is bloody deluded :D

Bottom line, played poorly tonight but only 1-0 down. Can't believe i'm gonna be in that crowd next week!!!
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