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by **Dundalk** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 7:26 pm

Anyone got a downloadable version?

by **Sabre** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 11:29 pm

Here it is

If you click directly Dundalk, it might open directly the windows media player or the software you use for videos. Instead, try to right click, and select save as to download it.

18 Mb video, with decent image quality. Unfortunately, I could not find an english comment video. The file is virus or malware free, don't worry.

Credit to the source:
www.lionelmessi.org

Messi's explanation of the play: "I saw a gap, and I went forward". Heh, it sounds easy

by **The Manhattan Project** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:40 am

Meh, fook Maradona.

One great goal against England.

One disgraceful moment which tainted the 1986 World Cup.

One great goal against erm.....Belgium?

The rest of his life spent on the verge of drug induced death.

Overrated sweaty bastardo.

by **Dundalk** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:45 am

Thanks Sabre

by **stmichael** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:59 pm

christiano ronaldo the best player in the world?

don't make me laugh.

by **zarababe** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:00 pm

The Manhattan Project wrote:Meh, fook Maradona.

One great goal against England.

One disgraceful moment which tainted the 1986 World Cup.

One great goal against erm.....Belgium?

The rest of his life spent on the verge of drug induced death.

Overrated sweaty bastardo.

Have you watched the genius talent of this man called Maradona? or just watched snippets which you care to mention.

What he and others do with there lives in terms of alcohol, drugs and other such addictions such as smoking, eating and so on is their business - it affects more than anyone they're loved ones who have to battle with and live with the traumas of the destructions that follow in their lives.

But to deny the talent - astonishes me. You don't have to like him in fact, hate him all you want, but to deny the telant in fact the genius of the man.. well I have to say you won't know what awesome football looks like if it hit you in the face - if you said; "I've never seen him play so can't comment" - but... unbelievable that people still deny the genious factor and talent of the man :no

For all your theorising - you need to watch some videos of football being played at the heights not reached since 1986 - even the great Zedane, the finest of his generation, was but an iota near Diego!

My mum saw Pele and Mardona, she says Diego's is better - its a game of opinions, some say Pele, me ma's watched football for many years and that's fine for me. But the debate is always whose better - not denying the talent and that on a football forum too :no

by **Reinas No.1 Fan** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:55 pm

What a fooking goal.

That means welsh wizard thinks we will be signing him.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:07 am

Have you watched the genius talent of this man called Maradona? or just watched snippets which you care to mention.

What he and others do with there lives in terms of alcohol, drugs and other such addictions such as smoking, eating and so on is their business - it affects more than anyone they're loved ones who have to battle with and live with the traumas of the destructions that follow in their lives.

But to deny the talent - astonishes me. You don't have to like him in fact, hate him all you want, but to deny the telant in fact the genius of the man.. well I have to say you won't know what awesome football looks like if it hit you in the face - if you said; "I've never seen him play so can't comment" - but... unbelievable that people still deny the genious factor and talent of the man

Genius? LOL, don't make me laugh.

Hawking, Dawkins, Darwin, Einstein, Newton.

Those are geniuses. Not some guy who can't control how many cheeseburgers he eats. Maradona is a guy who built his name on a bad refereeing decision.

For all your theorising - you need to watch some videos of football being played at the heights not reached since 1986 - even the great Zedane, the finest of his generation, was but an iota near Diego!

Maradona has done fook all. A few Serie A titles. Big deal and a World Cup that he cheated his way to, not to mention the disgraceful Argentinian team of Italia 90 and his personal disgrace of USA 94. Maradona isn't fit to clean Zidane's jockstrap. Maradona is a cheat.

My mum saw Pele and Mardona, she says Diego's is better - its a game of opinions, some say Pele, me ma's watched football for many years and that's fine for me. But the debate is always whose better - not denying the talent and that on a football forum too

Pele was a real talent. Maradona may impress Argentines, but he doesn't impress me.

by **Sabre** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:36 am

Hehe, interesting debate.

I personally like to judge and remember players for what they did in the pitch, not outside, but then it's understandable other people do not see it that way.

I'm a fan of Maradona. Some Scudettos in Italy, but he didn't make a champion Juventus, Internazionale or Milan Ac precisely, he made champion to Napoli, a southern and abandoned city, with a team that wasn't one of the greatest. He made them champions.

Cheating. Yes, he cheated. My values are the ones of the islands, I don't like cheaters.

But just like English values of fair play must be studied and respected, the Argentinian way to understand football deserves to be known and understood in context. For them football is everything, and winning is everything. That's what made them World Champions, and that's what made Spain great underachievers. I like that mentality, but I disagree their methods and the fact that they're actually proud of them.

Maradona was a street boy. One of those lads that had to steal a ball in order he could play football. One of those lads who played football everyday, and didn't go to school for playing football if necessary. I somehow respect that passion. It's difficult that in the generation of the Playstations and everything is easy will appear another Maradona. Argentinians have to be understood in their context.

In their defence, they're getting better in fair play. 45 years ago, it wouldn't be rare to see one of their keepers with nails hidden in the gloves in order to príck the oppo strikers. They even semi-poisoned admittedly the Brazilian team offering them water with sleeping medicals. Win, win, win, that's their idea. At least now, they don't reach that far.

But in a football pitch Maradona was absolutelly great until the drugs made his football got worse after the nineties. Difficult to compare Pele's times, because in his football wasn't modern, no specific physical training, other tempo... cannot be really compared, but could not tell if Pele would have been that great in Maradona's times.

Messi's dribbling can be compared to the one of Maradona, or can be even better. But Maradona's conduction of the ball was absolutelly spotless, with the ball literally trapped to the boot. Maradona didn't look to the ball while running never, he just knew where the ball was. Maradona made well everything, from corners to penalties. And Maradona was a cheater, but had to play infiltrated in pain due to the nasty tackles he received aswell which isn't fair play neither. He was tough.

In a nutshell, it's fair to criticise he cheated, but it's not fair to overlook all the good stuff he showed .

by **red37** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:03 am

Sabre wrote:45 years ago, it wouldn't be rare to see one of their keepers with nails hidden in the gloves in order to príck the oppo strikers.

pmsl - id love to see Pepe get his hands round Drogba's neck with a pair of them on!

by **zarababe** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:10 pm

The Manhattan Project wrote:
Have you watched the genius talent of this man called Maradona? or just watched snippets which you care to mention.

What he and others do with there lives in terms of alcohol, drugs and other such addictions such as smoking, eating and so on is their business - it affects more than anyone they're loved ones who have to battle with and live with the traumas of the destructions that follow in their lives.

But to deny the talent - astonishes me. You don't have to like him in fact, hate him all you want, but to deny the telant in fact the genius of the man.. well I have to say you won't know what awesome football looks like if it hit you in the face - if you said; "I've never seen him play so can't comment" - but... unbelievable that people still deny the genious factor and talent of the man

Genius? LOL, don't make me laugh.

Hawking, Dawkins, Darwin, Einstein, Newton.

Those are geniuses. Not some guy who can't control how many cheeseburgers he eats. Maradona is a guy who built his name on a bad refereeing decision.

For all your theorising - you need to watch some videos of football being played at the heights not reached since 1986 - even the great Zedane, the finest of his generation, was but an iota near Diego!

Maradona has done fook all. A few Serie A titles. Big deal and a World Cup that he cheated his way to, not to mention the disgraceful Argentinian team of Italia 90 and his personal disgrace of USA 94. Maradona isn't fit to clean Zidane's jockstrap. Maradona is a cheat.

My mum saw Pele and Mardona, she says Diego's is better - its a game of opinions, some say Pele, me ma's watched football for many years and that's fine for me. But the debate is always whose better - not denying the talent and that on a football forum too

Pele was a real talent. Maradona may impress Argentines, but he doesn't impress me.

Ahhh he don't impress you .. so-f'ukin-well what 'soccer boy', as I said you wouldn't know good football if it hit ya on the face.

There ain't no 'greatest footballer' debate with out Diego .. :rasp

and that's a fact - a footballing world fact

To deny the talent is to be declared 'a blind ignaramous'

and that on a football forum too !

Oh and I'm sure there are plenty of people on this forum who "can't control how many cheeseburgers [t]he[y] eat." are fat, or overwieght and suffer some sort of addiction, whom you have offended too - nice one soccer boy :no

by **112-1077774096** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:31 am

ah maradonna kebab, a few flashes of genius with a ball, and years of normality with a ball, followed by a life of addiction and lack of respect.

typical of someone who made good and then thought he could do what he wanted an get away with it.

the guy is an idiot, waste of a decent talent, just like george best, but some people tend to forgive them and call them mavericks rather than just see them for what they are

by **The Manhattan Project** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:41 am

Ahhh he don't impress you .. so-f'ukin-well what 'soccer boy', as I said you wouldn't know good football if it hit ya on the face.

Oh please.

Argentina's significant sporting successes:

1- World Cup 1978, yawn, home turf victory. It's been done many times.

2- World Cup 1986, couldn't even beat England without adopting the interesting "throw the ball into the net" tactic.

There ain't no 'greatest footballer' debate with out Diego .. and that's a fact - a footballing world fact

To deny the talent is to be declared 'a blind ignaramous' and that on a football forum too !

Only to and from those who really don't think about it critically and honestly. "Greatest" means more to me than cheating to win one World Cup, disgracing oneself at another, and participating in the most shameful World Cup final of the modern era.

Oh and I'm sure there are plenty of people on this forum who "can't control how many cheeseburgers [t]he[y] eat." are fat, or overwieght and suffer some sort of addiction, whom you have offended too - nice one soccer boy

Manhattan doesn't care about the burger-related weaknesses of others. If Maradona wants to eat, drink and snort himself into oblivion, then so be it.

by **babu** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:02 am

Messi's goal was superb. I have only seen the clip.

Anyone actually watch the whole game? Was wondering how he did, aside from that goal. I mean was he stripping defenders all game or was that an aberration.

I haven't seen enough of Messi to even compare him to Maradona, but I still have that world cup game in my head, some of the passing and the goals scored were superb.

Don't like Maradona. never have, including when he was at his best. He didn't play for Liverpool and he's ugly - thats enough for me.

by **Sabre** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:12 am

I haven't.

If you don't bother about copyright issues the game is available in torrent, if you're interested.

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