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by **Forever_Red** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:50 am

A lot of us as well as the papers thought that we could mount a decent title challenge this season and it just hasn't worked out, we've proved we can ahndle anyone in the Champs League but the EPL is a problem.

There's been a lot of talk about who we want to sign and who our targets are for the summer.

But on another note...who DON'T you want at the club? Who hasn't impressed and should be sold in the summer?

This may be a bit premature with seven games to go but I'm sure a lot of people have already made their minds up

by **stmichael** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:15 pm

that mascherano looks way out of his depth. get rid.

by **Stu.Murph** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:18 pm

Its not a case of who we don't want here. This squad now has mostly good players. Whats its a case of is where we can and need to improve.

Dudek, Zenden and Fowler are certanties to leave. Robbie should be kept on, but for whatever reason Benitez doesn't fancy him.

I'd personally like to see Gonzalez, Crouch and Kuyt sold off aswell.

Players I'd like in are Woodgate, Tevez, Ashton possibly another top striker and we're in desperate need of a left winger who can score and create goals.

by **red37** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:26 pm

Ok ill enter the frying pan early on:

Dudek (Inevitably)
Riise (regrettably)
Zenden (undoubtedly)
Gonzalez (unfortunately)
Pennant (possibly)*
Kuyt (surprisingly)*

* These two are worth persevering with for another season. However, it will ultimately depend on the state of the Marketplace whether Rafa is tempted by alternatives. (if i have to offer two replacements id go for Klose AND Anelka to replace Kuyt. And as RM either Lennon or the oft mentioned SWP. (predictably)

it pains me to say it, but Dirk Kuyt for all his endeavour and hard work (of which there are few equal and therefore you'd expect them vital to hang on to) I cant see him being the 'right' fit in a title winning Liverpool side. Sorry, i love the guy's spirit, willing and attitude (which IS exemplary btw) But unfortunately, either through wasteful usage of his talent or simply an as yet immaturely developed game...He isnt delivering goals which is what he was brought in to do. Play him differently or move on.

Some will call for Crouch's replacement. I disagree. The fella is a useful weapon to hang onto. And is proving that (almost every game) However, the advantageous deployment of Pennant AND Crouch on the park at the same time, is something we see little of. In light of that...

Pennant, what can you say? The most lackadaisical figure to appear in a Red shirt for a while. Yet, one of the most talented (when applied) Frustrating. And currently a weak link. Which is a shame...because he has it in him, in fits and starts, of late he has improved -granted. If he's happy being cover. Great.

others...

well it wont be too long until Sami/Robbie and Finnan come to the end of their respective shelf-lives.. Hyypia is good for one more season i believe, as is the criminally underrated Fowler. Finnan, good for another couple. But far more penetration is urged from his position. Id go for his replacement Now and use steve as cover. Richards, Alves. Even Chimbonda? fit the bill.

There you go. Rip me to bits

by **Stu.Murph** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:41 pm

red37 wrote:Ok ill enter the frying pan early on:

Dudek (Inevitably)
Riise (regrettably)
Zenden (undoubtedly)
Gonzalez (unfortunately)
Pennant (possibly)*
Kuyt (surprisingly)*

* These two are worth persevering with for another season. However, it will ultimately depend on the state of the Marketplace whether Rafa is tempted by alternatives. (if i have to offer two replacements id go for Klose AND Anelka to replace Kuyt. And as RM either Lennon or the oft mentioned SWP. (predictably)

it pains me to say it, but Dirk Kuyt for all his endeavour and hard work (of which there are few equal and therefore you'd expect them vital to hang on to) I cant see him being the 'right' fit in a title winning Liverpool side. Sorry, i love the guy's spirit, willing and attitude (which IS exemplary btw) But unfortunately, either through wasteful usage of his talent or simply an as yet immaturely developed game...He isnt delivering goals which is what he was brought in to do. Play him differently or move on.

Some will call for Crouch's replacement. I disagree. The fella is a useful weapon to hang onto. And is proving that (almost every game) However, the advantageous deployment of Pennant AND Crouch on the park at the same time, is something we see little of. In light of that...

Pennant, what can you say? The most lackadaisical figure to appear in a Red shirt for a while. Yet, one of the most talented (when applied) Frustrating. And currently a weak link. Which is a shame...because he has it in him, in fits and starts, of late he has improved -granted. If he's happy being cover. Great.

others...

well it wont be too long until Sami/Robbie and Finnan come to the end of their respective shelf-lives.. Hyypia is good for one more season i believe, as is the criminally underrated Fowler. Finnan, good for another couple. But far more penetration is urged from his position. Id go for his replacement Now and use steve as cover. Richards, Alves. Even Chimbonda? fit the bill.

There you go. Rip me to bits

Not only do I completely disagree with Riise going, but you're now saying this after hearing Fabio Aurelio has ruptured his achillies tendon? You do know he'll be lucky to play again before Christmas? It will probably be February before he's ready for the first team.

I tell you what though, lets go into the new season without a left back... why not?

You then Mention Wright-Phillips, Lennon and Klose? Three words... Don't be silly.

Wright-Phillips is awful, Lennon isn't much better and is completely over hyped and Klose is over the hill and has a touch like Traore although isn't that bad a player.

Consider yourself ripped.

by **supersub** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:44 pm

Zenden
Pennant
Hyypia
Dudek
Gonzalez

need to go

Fowler will probably go and so may Bellamy

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:51 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
red37 wrote:Ok ill enter the frying pan early on:

Dudek (Inevitably)
Riise (regrettably)
Zenden (undoubtedly)
Gonzalez (unfortunately)
Pennant (possibly)*
Kuyt (surprisingly)*

* These two are worth persevering with for another season. However, it will ultimately depend on the state of the Marketplace whether Rafa is tempted by alternatives. (if i have to offer two replacements id go for Klose AND Anelka to replace Kuyt. And as RM either Lennon or the oft mentioned SWP. (predictably)

it pains me to say it, but Dirk Kuyt for all his endeavour and hard work (of which there are few equal and therefore you'd expect them vital to hang on to) I cant see him being the 'right' fit in a title winning Liverpool side. Sorry, i love the guy's spirit, willing and attitude (which IS exemplary btw) But unfortunately, either through wasteful usage of his talent or simply an as yet immaturely developed game...He isnt delivering goals which is what he was brought in to do. Play him differently or move on.

Some will call for Crouch's replacement. I disagree. The fella is a useful weapon to hang onto. And is proving that (almost every game) However, the advantageous deployment of Pennant AND Crouch on the park at the same time, is something we see little of. In light of that...

Pennant, what can you say? The most lackadaisical figure to appear in a Red shirt for a while. Yet, one of the most talented (when applied) Frustrating. And currently a weak link. Which is a shame...because he has it in him, in fits and starts, of late he has improved -granted. If he's happy being cover. Great.

others...

well it wont be too long until Sami/Robbie and Finnan come to the end of their respective shelf-lives.. Hyypia is good for one more season i believe, as is the criminally underrated Fowler. Finnan, good for another couple. But far more penetration is urged from his position. Id go for his replacement Now and use steve as cover. Richards, Alves. Even Chimbonda? fit the bill.

There you go. Rip me to bits

Not only do I completely disagree with Riise going, but you're now saying this after hearing Fabio Aurelio has ruptured his achillies tendon? You do know he'll be lucky to play again before Christmas? It will probably be February before he's ready for the first team.

I tell you what though, lets go into the new season without a left back... why not?

You then Mention Wright-Phillips, Lennon and Klose? Three words... Don't be silly.

Wright-Phillips is awful, Lennon isn't much better and is completely over hyped and Klose is over the hill and has a touch like Traore although isn't that bad a player.

Consider yourself ripped.

I'd actually agree with most of what you've said Red. Apart from Riise, but if you did sell him you can always buy another in the summer. What are you going on about Stu ?

The reason Stu says no to Lennon and SWP is because he is still hoping and IMO hell will freeze over before this happens. That Pennant proves himself to be the player HE hyped up, both Lennon and SWP pi$$ all over Pennant as a player.

As for Klose he is definately the kind of striker we need at the club !

by **KRobbo10** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:55 pm

Its ok getting rid of these players but we need someone to replace them. Remember this is kuyt first season, i think once he gets used to the players around him and the premiership he will be a great player.

as for crouch, i don't undersatnd people who want him to be gone he is a great player who gives you another option, and his scoring record is pritty good.

I would like to see these players gone
Pennant ( i no its his first season but i just don't like him)
Zenden
Dudek
Fowler

I would replace them with
Carson
Villa / Eto
Alves

Wish List
Kaka
Joaquin

by **Sabre** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:57 pm

I agree Stu except in the three words bit and the last line.

Besides, to drop a player I'd look aswell the contracts, I wouldn't be dropping Pennant and Gonzalez after his first season. Plus, I like Pennant.

I'd drop Fowler (because despite I like him he doesn't seem he's going to have more minutes that this year), Dudek, and definitely Zenden.

Klose is not good enough for this club.

by **Stu.Murph** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:57 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
red37 wrote:Ok ill enter the frying pan early on:

Dudek (Inevitably)
Riise (regrettably)
Zenden (undoubtedly)
Gonzalez (unfortunately)
Pennant (possibly)*
Kuyt (surprisingly)*

* These two are worth persevering with for another season. However, it will ultimately depend on the state of the Marketplace whether Rafa is tempted by alternatives. (if i have to offer two replacements id go for Klose AND Anelka to replace Kuyt. And as RM either Lennon or the oft mentioned SWP. (predictably)

it pains me to say it, but Dirk Kuyt for all his endeavour and hard work (of which there are few equal and therefore you'd expect them vital to hang on to) I cant see him being the 'right' fit in a title winning Liverpool side. Sorry, i love the guy's spirit, willing and attitude (which IS exemplary btw) But unfortunately, either through wasteful usage of his talent or simply an as yet immaturely developed game...He isnt delivering goals which is what he was brought in to do. Play him differently or move on.

Some will call for Crouch's replacement. I disagree. The fella is a useful weapon to hang onto. And is proving that (almost every game) However, the advantageous deployment of Pennant AND Crouch on the park at the same time, is something we see little of. In light of that...

Pennant, what can you say? The most lackadaisical figure to appear in a Red shirt for a while. Yet, one of the most talented (when applied) Frustrating. And currently a weak link. Which is a shame...because he has it in him, in fits and starts, of late he has improved -granted. If he's happy being cover. Great.

others...

well it wont be too long until Sami/Robbie and Finnan come to the end of their respective shelf-lives.. Hyypia is good for one more season i believe, as is the criminally underrated Fowler. Finnan, good for another couple. But far more penetration is urged from his position. Id go for his replacement Now and use steve as cover. Richards, Alves. Even Chimbonda? fit the bill.

There you go. Rip me to bits

Not only do I completely disagree with Riise going, but you're now saying this after hearing Fabio Aurelio has ruptured his achillies tendon? You do know he'll be lucky to play again before Christmas? It will probably be February before he's ready for the first team.

I tell you what though, lets go into the new season without a left back... why not?

You then Mention Wright-Phillips, Lennon and Klose? Three words... Don't be silly.

Wright-Phillips is awful, Lennon isn't much better and is completely over hyped and Klose is over the hill and has a touch like Traore although isn't that bad a player.

Consider yourself ripped.

I'd actually agree with most of what you've said Red. Apart from Riise, but if you did sell him you can always buy another in the summer. What are you going on about Stu ?

The reason Stu says no to Lennon and SWP is because he is still hoping and IMO hell will freeze over before this happens. That Pennant proves himself to be the player HE hyped up, both Lennon and SWP pi$$ all over Pennant as a player.

As for Klose he is definately the kind of striker we need at the club !

Wright-Phillips couldn't control a bag of cement and has shown exactly how poor he is for England and Chelsea. Extremely overated, so much so Chelsea played left wingers in Duff and Robben ahead of him, as good as those two are, I know I'd be insulted by that.

He's stupidly overated and Pennant is a far better player than he will ever be.

Lennon has pace and the ability to beat a man but is extremely one footed, has unbelievable tunnel vision and his final ball is a joke. He gets into great positions so many times and lets himself down with the final ball. Its not something that will ever improve from him, he's been doing it for years.

A decent player but he wouldn't give us anything Pennant doesn't.

Stop arguing for arguements sake or I'll bitch slap you an set Anne Bancroft on you.

by **stmichael** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:01 pm

i agree with stu on this. lennon has no end product whatsoever. he's like ronaldo was 2 years ago in that he had all the pace and fancy tricks but couldn't cross a ball to save his life.

SWP is a decent player but has seriously suffered from a lack of first team football at chelsea. i don't think he'd particularly be an improvement over pennant either. since christmas, i think pennant's been one of our better players.

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:07 pm

Klose is not good enough for this club

Pennant and Gonzalez are ?

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:09 pm

Stop arguing for arguements sake or I'll bitch slap you an set Anne Bancroft on you.

by **Stu.Murph** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:09 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
Klose is not good enough for this club

Pennant and Gonzalez are ?

He has got ya by the balls there Sabre...

Pennant's not shown it consistently. He's shown flashes which is why he's frustrating.

Klose although decent isn't what he's made out to be. A good player yes, a great one? Not a chance.

+ he's the wrong side of 30.

by **Sabre** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:10 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
Klose is not good enough for this club

Pennant and Gonzalez are ?

Yes they are. Gonzalez is young and can do much better than that, in the last game against Arsenal he did a decent game. Better game than the early season matches he played. Still far of what he can provide.

That's my opinion as a football fan anyway. I might be wrong.

*shrug*

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