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by **stoney** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:26 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:
Swap Pennant for Alves and we're giggling like a schoolgirl and her first crush.

She was giggling because her first crush was on Manhattan.

by **Espionage** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:17 am

Stu.Murph wrote:Ability matters ALOT. Then tactics to get the best out of certain players ability which this season Benitez has completely failed to do in alot of cases.

You then go onto Sissoko, Sissoko wins the ball then gives it away straight away. He's as distructive to us as the opposition at times which simply isn't on.

And I didn't say Gerrard isn't good going forward. I said he's not great and he simply isn't. Zidane was great. Gerrard is just "good".

Gerrard's EASILY as good defensively as he is attacking wise and any fool suggesting playing him in the hole is talking complete rubbish. It makes me laugh when people say you lose 50% of his game when he's in the holding role... but completely fail to acknowledge you lose the other 50% when he's in an attacking role...

Hypocrytes.

I really dont see what you can have against Sissoko, he cost almost nothing and has been on of our better players. Always steps up against the best teams, he murdered Chelsea and Barca. As far as I am concerned you have no leg to stand on with this one. Rafa recognises the short-comings of Momo's skills on the ball, but tbh the way that people bitch and moan about it is way over the top.

You speak some sense about Gerrard, I agree that he will never play in the hole, and he will be just as good as a holding player.

But these things are irrelevant. We dont need him in a holding role because we have Alonso and Mascherano. We dont play with people "in the hole" because Kuyt (and Garcia sometimes) kind of plays that role. We play Gerrard where he fits in best for the team, and he has grown into the role on the right. He helps out defensively and offensively and comes through the middle a lot.

Any arguments about Gerrard on the right I think are totally unjustified. People say he doesnt bring enough width, so what. Finnan is a great crosser of the ball and gets forward plenty. Check his stats, I heard that he was among the highest crossers of the ball for a defender (one of the reasons why he is topping the actim stats). Who set up Crouch's goal last night?

How has Rafa made an error here?

by **tubby** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:04 am

Where is everyone getting the £40m figure from? Its just a speculated amount isnt it?

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:12 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:I really don't understand why people keep saying "Gerrard needs to be one of a central two" when it's patently obvious that his best form is to be found in the roaming role he had on Saturday, be it starting from the right, or just behind a front 1 or 2.

Gerrard in central midfield weakens our side. Simple as that. It dulls his attacking, and leaves us open to counters as he just will not stick to the defending needed.

Our midfield should follow the following blueprints without exception:

Alonso Mascherano/Momo

Pennant Aurelio
Gerrard

Swap Pennant for Alves and we're giggling like a schoolgirl and her first crush.

Gerrard is better anywhere centrally all be it behind the front two or in the middle of a flat four midfield mate. I honestly cant believe how people can say he's weaker in the middle of the park thats his natural postion. You must be watching a different player mate.

The line-up on your midfield is good apart from both you wingers. Again Gerrard in the MIDDLE infront of Mascha and Xabi that much I do agree with. Pennant and Aurelio wide ? NEVER in a million years good enough. Aurlio as good as he was looking is hardly IMO going to cause the threat of a Ronanldo, Robben, Giggs or even Kewell. He's not flairy ? enough, he doesnt have the ability IMO to ghost past players and score and create goals. A left back possibly, yes, but an attacking left mid, not for me mate.

As for Pennant, we've watched him all season and grumbled he's been given the opportunity to impress. But he hasnt, he's just not and LFC starter every week for me. After a couple of half decent performances he's in everyones good books now, next week after a dissapointing display it all be the same again.

by **Elchris** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:47 am

Intersting read with some nonsense

40 enough ?

by **Reg** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:42 am

I dont understand how anyone in their right mind thinks Woodgate is even an option.

by **Stu.Murph** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:25 pm

Reg wrote:I dont understand how anyone in their right mind thinks Woodgate is even an option.

Why's that?

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:28 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
Reg wrote:I dont understand how anyone in their right mind thinks Woodgate is even an option.

Why's that?

Probably because :

1) We dont need him

2) He's too injury prone

I think Stevie wonder could even see that :cool:

by **Stu.Murph** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:31 pm

Espionage wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:Ability matters ALOT. Then tactics to get the best out of certain players ability which this season Benitez has completely failed to do in alot of cases.

You then go onto Sissoko, Sissoko wins the ball then gives it away straight away. He's as distructive to us as the opposition at times which simply isn't on.

And I didn't say Gerrard isn't good going forward. I said he's not great and he simply isn't. Zidane was great. Gerrard is just "good".

Gerrard's EASILY as good defensively as he is attacking wise and any fool suggesting playing him in the hole is talking complete rubbish. It makes me laugh when people say you lose 50% of his game when he's in the holding role... but completely fail to acknowledge you lose the other 50% when he's in an attacking role...

Hypocrytes.

I really dont see what you can have against Sissoko, he cost almost nothing and has been on of our better players. Always steps up against the best teams, he murdered Chelsea and Barca. As far as I am concerned you have no leg to stand on with this one. Rafa recognises the short-comings of Momo's skills on the ball, but tbh the way that people bitch and moan about it is way over the top.

You speak some sense about Gerrard, I agree that he will never play in the hole, and he will be just as good as a holding player.

But these things are irrelevant. We dont need him in a holding role because we have Alonso and Mascherano. We dont play with people "in the hole" because Kuyt (and Garcia sometimes) kind of plays that role. We play Gerrard where he fits in best for the team, and he has grown into the role on the right. He helps out defensively and offensively and comes through the middle a lot.

Any arguments about Gerrard on the right I think are totally unjustified. People say he doesnt bring enough width, so what. Finnan is a great crosser of the ball and gets forward plenty. Check his stats, I heard that he was among the highest crossers of the ball for a defender (one of the reasons why he is topping the actim stats). Who set up Crouch's goal last night?

How has Rafa made an error here?

With regards to Gerrard, if he plays on the right so what? He's equally good in the right or in the middle. I didn't complain about that or his position. The fact is that until Mascherano, we didn't have two central midfielders good enough to play Gerrard on the right. Now we do.

If you think players like Sissoko are going to win you a league title mate then thats your perogative and in that case I'm simply not going to even bother with your posts.

Take the red tinted specs off. He's not good enough to be anything other than a squad player. Never will be. How you can suggest a player who lets a ball run under his footy on a premier league pitch thats like astro turf 3 times in one game can be good enough for a league winning side makes me laugh. I play sunday league lad and i'd be shocked if I've done that 3 times in the last 3 years on a sunday league pitch. No excuse.

End of discussion.

by **Stu.Murph** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:33 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
Reg wrote:I dont understand how anyone in their right mind thinks Woodgate is even an option.

Why's that?

Probably because :

1) We dont need him

2) He's too injury prone

I think Stevie wonder could even see that

He's injury prone yes, but worth a gamble and would improve the team massively enabling us to play a higher line and not need to protect the defense so much like we do now with Gerrard, Alonso and Mascherano/Sissoko baby sitting them.

IE we could play a slightly more expansive game due to having far better personel.

by **Stu.Murph** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:35 pm

Ahh, look at stmichael an supersub there keepin an eye on me...

am behaving...

by **stmichael** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:36 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:With regards to Gerrard, if he plays on the right so what? He's equally good in the right or in the middle. I didn't complain about that or his position. The fact is that until Mascherano, we didn't have two central midfielders good enough to play Gerrard on the right. Now we do.

Couldn't agree more, I've been saying it for ages.

Let him "start on the right" with the license to roam and go wherever he wants. That's when he'll cause the most damage.

He was asked after the game last night about playing on the right and he simply said that rafa had given him the license to go wherever he wanted as long as he got back and did his share of defending aswell.

by **supersub** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:37 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
Reg wrote:I dont understand how anyone in their right mind thinks Woodgate is even an option.

Why's that?

simply because Carragher and Agger are head and shoulders above Woodgate.

by **Ace Ventura** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:38 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
Reg wrote:I dont understand how anyone in their right mind thinks Woodgate is even an option.

Why's that?

Probably because :

1) We dont need him

2) He's too injury prone

I think Stevie wonder could even see that

He's injury prone yes, but worth a gamble and would improve the team massively enabling us to play a higher line and not need to protect the defense so much like we do now with Gerrard, Alonso and Mascherano/Sissoko baby sitting them.

IE we could play a slightly more expansive game due to having far better personel.

Woodgate's class but based on the last five or six years (where he has been injured the majority of EVERY campaign) he would be a massive gamble.
He would probably still cost a fee and would command high wages.
Agger might not be your cup of tea, and i respect your opinion, while not totally agreeing with it.
But we have a certain Sami Hyypia as well at the moment if needed and will still have next season.

If he could stay fit i'd love him at Liverpool, but if i was manager i probably wouldnt risk the money, the whole package would be too expensive, and there are other areas in greater need.

by **Stu.Murph** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:44 pm

supersub wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
Reg wrote:I dont understand how anyone in their right mind thinks Woodgate is even an option.

Why's that?

simply because Carragher and Agger are head and shoulders above Woodgate.

Get a clue lad!

Seriously, you think Agger is better than Woodgate? Can't agree with that at all. Not even close. Agger is a decent player. Woodgate's one of the best in the league with Ferdinand, Toure and Gallas.

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