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by **66-1120597113** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:36 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:It's a waste of money to give aid to Africa.

It almost certainly will not reach the most vunerable people, such as women, kids and the sick and elderly.

Look at Zimbabwe/Rhodesia. A decent country ruined by a madman.

Where's the international condemnation? Where is Bono? Where is Geldof?

Where is the "Concert For Zimbabwe/Rhodesia Freedom?"

So as they have nothing to offer?

by **jkop** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:03 am

Well me and the missus donated a few pound, any money at all helps in one way or another.

by **66-1112520797** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:25 am

BarryBelfast wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:That money would be put in better use at Home (UK) Raise it for the National health service, or abused kids etc. We always do these comic relief things every year which is a good idea. Didnt Bill gates donate 40 billion to wiping out diseases related in and around Africa and the world. I think charity needs to start at home and raise theses funds for our own people also.

So its OK to spend billions on the olympic shi.te?

£125 per head for each living UK resident?Excluding all the dole sponging refugees that drive taxis!Id rather my money hit Africa than the East of London....

I didnt mention the olympics Barry, and even still their taxes paid by the British public to the government. Its upto our government what they do with it really. For me personally I'd rather see our taxes go towards anything thats good for the British economy.

Comic relief is a fund raiser a totally different use of money, which in theory is a lovely idea. To help the "needy", I wonder how many other first world countries donate the amounts the British do EVERY year ?

A few African countires had there debts wiped by the EU didnt they ?
We've been donating for almost two decades if not longer any more. The donations run easily into the Billions I reckon and yet you still here things like ' if we could just get good clean drinking water to these people, their lives would be so much better' FFS ! What have they done in all this time, its the 21st centuary and it doesnt seem much improvements been made. Its time for their own governments to address these issues.
I'd guarentee you if half these nations were still under the British empire, or any other coloney these problems would of well and truly been iradicated by now.

by **66-1120597113** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:45 am

Bamaga man wrote:
BarryBelfast wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:That money would be put in better use at Home (UK) Raise it for the National health service, or abused kids etc. We always do these comic relief things every year which is a good idea. Didnt Bill gates donate 40 billion to wiping out diseases related in and around Africa and the world. I think charity needs to start at home and raise theses funds for our own people also.

So its OK to spend billions on the olympic shi.te?

£125 per head for each living UK resident?Excluding all the dole sponging refugees that drive taxis!Id rather my money hit Africa than the East of London....

I didnt mention the olympics Barry, and even still their taxes paid by the British public to the government. Its upto our government what they do with it really. For me personally I'd rather see our taxes go towards anything thats good for the British economy.

Comic relief is a fund raiser a totally different use of money, which in theory is a lovely idea. To help the "needy", I wonder how many other first world countries donate the amounts the British do EVERY year ?

A few African countires had there debts wiped by the EU didnt they ?
We've been donating for almost two decades if not longer any more. The donations run easily into the Billions I reckon and yet you still here things like ' if we could just get good clean drinking water to these people, their lives would be so much better' FFS ! What have they done in all this time, its the 21st centuary and it doesnt seem much improvements been made. Its time for their own governments to address these issues.
I'd guarentee you if half these nations were still under the British empire, or any other coloney these problems would of well and truly been iradicated by now.

For all the people that need drinking water there are other ones that have already got it thanks to comiuc relief

Africa is a huge continent...Ethiopia a vast country for example with a huge mostly underfed population?

There are people there who can live witout Typhoid,Cholera and Dysentry all because they have clean water thanks to charity...thanks to us?

Dont try and tell me there is no point in charity...it shows a severe ignorance!3 years ago i went to Romanian orphanages and seen 1st hand what a measley £1 can do.

Yes some of the comic relief money is STOLEN by 3rd world governments....but some also gets through...SOME REALLY DOES SAVE LIVES!

Its easy to lie under a Marks n Spencer quilt and judge the less fortunate...Its easy to look down on them as well!People are people........A skinny Aids ridden cattleman in Uganda has as much right to life as me or you!

Peoples ignorance cracks me up!

by **66-1112520797** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:59 am

BarryBelfast wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
BarryBelfast wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:That money would be put in better use at Home (UK) Raise it for the National health service, or abused kids etc. We always do these comic relief things every year which is a good idea. Didnt Bill gates donate 40 billion to wiping out diseases related in and around Africa and the world. I think charity needs to start at home and raise theses funds for our own people also.

So its OK to spend billions on the olympic shi.te?

£125 per head for each living UK resident?Excluding all the dole sponging refugees that drive taxis!Id rather my money hit Africa than the East of London....

I didnt mention the olympics Barry, and even still their taxes paid by the British public to the government. Its upto our government what they do with it really. For me personally I'd rather see our taxes go towards anything thats good for the British economy.

Comic relief is a fund raiser a totally different use of money, which in theory is a lovely idea. To help the "needy", I wonder how many other first world countries donate the amounts the British do EVERY year ?

A few African countires had there debts wiped by the EU didnt they ?
We've been donating for almost two decades if not longer any more. The donations run easily into the Billions I reckon and yet you still here things like ' if we could just get good clean drinking water to these people, their lives would be so much better' FFS ! What have they done in all this time, its the 21st centuary and it doesnt seem much improvements been made. Its time for their own governments to address these issues.
I'd guarentee you if half these nations were still under the British empire, or any other coloney these problems would of well and truly been iradicated by now.

For all the people that need drinking water there are other ones that have already got it thanks to comiuc relief

Africa is a huge continent...Ethiopia a vast country for example with a huge mostly underfed population?

There are people there who can live witout Typhoid,Cholera and Dysentry all because they have clean water thanks to charity...thanks to us?

Dont try and tell me there is no point in charity...it shows a severe ignorance!3 years ago i went to Romanian orphanages and seen 1st hand what a measley £1 can do.

Yes some of the comic relief money is STOLEN by 3rd world governments....but some also gets through...SOME REALLY DOES SAVE LIVES!

Its easy to lie under a Marks n Spencer quilt and judge the less fortunate...Its easy to look down on them as well!People are people........A skinny Aids ridden cattleman in Uganda has as much right to life as me or you!

Peoples ignorance cracks me up!

I'm glad to hear that.

But dont tell me I'm ignorant to the fact Barry, I know AID will have helped a lot. Thanks to us !

I'm not denying that or saying we shouldnt give AID, but I can easily turn around and say that your beautiful world of charity isnt as pure as you think, and the fact that you dont like getting your head around dirty hard facts shows your ignorance, but I'm not.

I'm all for helping the next man, and I think the British people over the years actually deserves the credit of raising the funds they do. We cant help every person in the world, but we can try. But giving money over to corrupt governments is the wrong way of doing it IMO.

by **Kharhaz** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:29 am

Who said there was no point in charity? My point is when will we see results?
Every year this country is giving, putting our money where our mouth is and showing we care yet every year nothing seems to be improving. Take into account when we started our phone in charitys (Comic Relief and Children in Need) and consider the situation is that bad that last year many of Africas debts were cancelled because the situation is appalling. Same again this year, all we hear is how bad everything is. You are right in one statement though barry, peoples ignorance even cracks me up.

by **greenred** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:07 am

I am a socialist,a republican and also a democrat.

But i am convinced of the need to let Africans stand on their own two feet.

We should cut off all aid to Africa now,it is the only way they will develop as people.

by **Big Niall** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:56 am

BarryBelfast wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:I just feel its a great shame that so many people in this country are acknowledging the troubles in africa and trying to do there bit but in reality nothing is happening. Our money isnt going where it should be. Like I stated, we see the small parts of our money going somewhere but the money we are actually raising should have stabalised a majority of Africa and yet its worse off now than it was then (as Greenred pointed out). No money from me next year I want results !

Thats really annoyed me reading that actually.

Our money goes in the right direction but unfortunately is subject to the rules of the country it enters!We as a nation with regulations and taxes must respect other nations and their laws even if they are primative and unfair.

Only a sheltered mind would say that £65million does not make a difference....Of that 65 yes a lot is skimmed off by 3rd world governments to feed fatcats...this is wrong but also a fact of life and the way our wicked world works....That part of it,is out of our hands!

Im not ashamed to say that comic relief made me cry last night...............Watching a WOMAN weep with joy because she had a mosquito net that cost £2.50 that will save her childrens lives from Maleria makes all the tax etc. seem unimportant! Watching Ant and Dec in a tinhut ghetto telling us that a measly £90 can build a toilet for 10,000 people makes me happy!

A .e post that deserves contempt....Perhaps the initial poster should starve himself,loose his mother to AIDs,live in a mudhut with 12 family members and continously have the flu??

A disgraceful post that...

Our money DOES get through,a percentage actually does !What are we to do Stand back and say nothing or do the little we can....Money makes a difference!

I agree with Barry.

If somebody donates £10 and £8 gets stolen then £2 still helps build a well or something in Africa.

As for the poor in Britain/western world - come on mate, there is no comparison in standards.

by **Big Niall** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:58 am

What Africa really needs is trade, not aid. But Europe and America have barriers to prevent trade with them and subsidise our own farmers to price out the africans.

by **Sabre** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:17 am

I am a socialist,a republican and also a democrat.

But i am convinced of the need to let Africans stand on their own two feet.

We should cut off all aid to Africa now,it is the only way they will develop as people.

The problem mate is that most of the aid we're sending is like puting something in a sack that has no bottom, you'll never fill the sack.

And why's that? Corruption among other things. Certain countries have developed authentic networks to "manage" that aid, of course the aid stays in the networks and don't reach the actual people.

For instansce a priest of my neighbourhood that has been 34 years in Eritrea and has come back now has said how outraging is to try to bring Milk in powder for the people of Eritrea, paid by his organisation, and to have problems to do so because the governement "aid" network wanted to tax the milk with a 25% of it's cost. Otherwise he could not enter the milk in the country. Can you believe that?

It's a problem we have to sort it out, but that countries also have to sort it out. You can count that people who has hunger will emigrate, so if we do not want massive inmigration knocking our door we have to help them developing. But for that it's necessary to remove much of the corruption existing in certain countries.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:26 am

Whats the point of saving a million starving people, when in 10 years (or less) you will be having to save 10million starving people because of the population increase. Better to improve their education and family planning rather than try to feed an ever open mouth.

by **Ace Ventura** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:39 am

s@int wrote:Whats the point of saving a million starving people, when in 10 years (or less) you will be having to save 10million starving people because of the population increase. Better to improve their education and family planning rather than try to feed an ever open mouth.

I watched part of comic relief and there were some shocking images.
I dont think we should just give up because of corrupt governments, but do see where the likes of yourself, peewee and Bamaga man are coming from.
Barry mate i know if you had nothing else you might want to f'ck your missus all day long....BUT if you had 6 kids already that you couldnt feed i think you may start to use the withdrawal method

Not trying to laugh at the situation by the way, just telling it how it is, i have 2 kids that i struggle to buy things for, i wouldnt then have more, responsibility comes with being a parent, them africans doing that are as bad as the dole spongers you mentioned in our country, they are relying on others to pay for there irresponsibilities.
I will always donate money though as thats just the way i am.

by **Ace Ventura** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:41 am

By the way how funny was 500 miles with Potter and andy pipkin

I was p!ssing meself :laugh:

by **Kharhaz** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:40 am

So if I donated £10 and only £2 went to the people i was giving it to then i guess the solution is simple. Keep my money to myself and stop funding the thieves.

by **112-1077774096** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:11 am

i have an idea, why dont the charitable people open up their homes and adopt an african family to help them

ok i am joking here, of course they wont do that. I find it admirable that people give to charity when i wont even give money to beggars in the street (and believe there arelots in bangkok). but I always have the belief that by giving people charity allows them to take responsibility away from themsselves or their elected governments.

imaging being PM of some tin pot african country, "shall we help the poor? oh no, lets wait, the british will send us money, we will cream most of it and pass the rest on to the poor so it looks we are doing something". Its just plain wrong guys.

natural disasters are different i think, like the tsunami, I can understand aid being given to restructure the infrastructure to get lives back to normal, but the whole african thing is a different issue, the countries do have money but choose to keep it amongst the elite few.

i have already said in this thread that education is the key, they need to stop breeding.

now to be contraversial, in the past when the earth has been overpopulated we have had wars, i mean world wars which has culled the population. a world war now would obliterate the population so thats out. now lets turn to aids, is it manufactured to get rid of the problem, get rid of the poor and uneducated (with a few non poor casualties along the way)

any thoughts?

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