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Postby Scottbot » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:02 pm

parchpea wrote:Tale of two keepers in many ways. Theirs keeps them in it and ours spills the ball. Dont our keepers always do that against Utd? Really, Reina is not out of the top drawer. His goals against record is impressive but I put that down to a reliable defence and organised formation in front of him.

At the time i thought it must have been Reina mistake but having watched it back on MOTD you have to give the credit to Ronaldo and Saha. Ronaldo put the free-kick right down Reina's throat with pace, whip and at an awkward height. Saha made an excellent run in front his man and must have unsighted the keeper and note he only got to Reina fractionally after the ball. I don't think Reina could have done much about it.
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Postby Scottbot » Sun Mar 04, 2007 10:03 pm

CardinalRed wrote:Jocky hit the nail on the head on MOTD last night, he said the absence of a 20-a-season hitman is the overriding main reason for our current position..... We were crying out for a poacher yesterday (a la Robbie in his prime, Van Nistelrooy, Ian Wright etc) If it is at all possible, Samuel E'to should become our number 1 target..... Oh, and please, please, please practice our dead ball delivery more....!

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For the first time in four years united don't have a 20 a season hitman.
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Postby babu » Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:42 am

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Jocky hit the nail on the head on MOTD last night, he said the absence of a 20-a-season hitman is the overriding main reason for our current position..... We were crying out for a poacher yesterday (a la Robbie in his prime, Van Nistelrooy, Ian Wright etc) If it is at all possible, Samuel E'to should become our number 1 target..... Oh, and please, please, please practice our dead ball delivery more....!

                                                       

For the first time in four years united don't have a 20 a season hitman.


It doesnt matter what United have, they're setups different. Their midfield offer flair and goals. Look at Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes and then Carrick. Carrick is a holding mid, same as Xabi. You could say Stevie G plays a similar position to Scholes. But then look at the wings, even Giggs at his ripe old age causes more havoc than any of our wide men. And we all know the damage Ronaldo can do. You cant really compare Pennant and Gonzalez with them.
With our kind of wingers, you'll need a  "20 goals a season" type player IMO. I dont know how anyone cant see that, its blatantly obvious.
Even still United still brought in Larrsson didnt they, an off the shoulder type striker who can get goals. We have nobody, you cant even include Fowler, he hardly ever starts.

We definately IMO do need an out and out striker, we always have had in the likes of Rush, Aldridge, Owen, Fowler and so on. Even when Rush played we'd have Barnes on the wing who would also chip in with a load of goals, at the mo we have neither.

All in all I'd rather have more options in positions of scoring goals than not. And saying United havent had a striker like that all season doesnt justify not having our own IMO.
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Postby Big Niall » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:09 pm

Scottbot wrote:
parchpea wrote:Tale of two keepers in many ways. Theirs keeps them in it and ours spills the ball. Dont our keepers always do that against Utd? Really, Reina is not out of the top drawer. His goals against record is impressive but I put that down to a reliable defence and organised formation in front of him.

At the time i thought it must have been Reina mistake but having watched it back on MOTD you have to give the credit to Ronaldo and Saha. Ronaldo put the free-kick right down Reina's throat with pace, whip and at an awkward height. Saha made an excellent run in front his man and must have unsighted the keeper and note he only got to Reina fractionally after the ball. I don't think Reina could have done much about it.

I don't think Reina is top notch. Not just for the spill against Manu but remember Finnan telling him to be vocal a few minutes earlier? also was poor against Barcelona - remember the crosses he flapped at (one hit the post) and the week before against Newcastle when he ran way out and kicked the ball against the striker. He has done that a lot this year and didn't cover himself in glory in the cup final (bar the penalties).

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Postby Roger Red Hat » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:11 pm

What should happen now is someone should put a price on Nevilles head. BANG! take that you manc c.u.n.t

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Postby stmichael » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:04 pm

Rafa is going to have pressure like he's never had before next season

He will have the resources to buy to the best available players and there will be no excuses about not having resources to buy the best players etc etc

It will be the first time in his managerial career where he will have to deliver and not have a get out.
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Postby stmichael » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:09 pm

Just to elaborate, we still have several problems.

We don't often enough demonstrate the positive movement of the Mancs or Arsenal, even Chelsea last season but not so much this season, on the break. Our breaking play is often signposted and pedestrian. There have been improvements this season, particularly once we've got the first goal, when we suddenly morph into an attacking team which has been as pleasing on the eye at times as any other team in the league. But not enough and rarely before we've gone ahead. I can only think this is in some way down to confidence as we seem scared of going behind in matches. This often serves us well against weaker teams, and we are starting to produce the consistency in most of our games that we need to make a challenge, but give the better teams a whiff of blood and they will hurt you.

We do seem to make strange substitutions, but we're missing a few important players to give us the strength in depth to have game-changing players on the bench. Losing two of our better players who can play on the wings for large parts of the season has given us a big problem here, and if Kewell and Garcia had been available more then I think we would have stronger options to change the game. Although we have four strikers also, only one of them has real pace, so again we don't have the variety we need. I think on reflection we could have done with Pongolle who although not a starter has proven an important impact player for us in the past. Another thing which frustrates me is that we rarely take Kuyt off when he's having a sh#t of a game. On Saturday he should have come off and Bellamy stayed on, but I suppose the thinking was that with only one pacy striker we had to save his legs for Barca.

As for Gerrard, he hasn't helped himself this season by having a dire start when he could have made last years impact from out wide. When he plays in the centre he has proved more effective than in previous seasons in keeping the shape of the side and I've been impressed by the way he's learned to make runs at the right times and stay back when needed, but surely no-one is in any doubt that he's at his best when the shackles are off and he has the freedom to roam and make lung-bursting runs all over the pitch. I think the lad himself needs to decide what he wants to be, as he can't be everything at once. With Garcia on the pitch, Gerrard can play the midfield general role to a tee, but when we have no-one else to cause havoc then we're missing that side of his game. Missing Momo for a stretch didn't help here either because he gives Gerrard that license he needs, but since he's been back I don't think Momo has hit form apart from away in the Camp Nou. Kuyt has also been fulfilling the roaming role outside the box, but it leaves us a man short in the danger area, especially with Bellamy often drifting into space, which is his forte.

We've had worse injury crises, but the ones we've had this season have been telling, and our much-vaunted squad depth has been found out to be a myth. I also think we lack that conviction at times that we're going to get a result no matter what. When it's going well we look better than last season, but when it's going badly we seem to roll over.

Just a bit of a rant from me in the theme of the thread. I do think Rafa can get it right for us but we need some backing from our new backers. I'm not generally a lover of big name purchases, as I prefer to unearth a gem and bring them into the Liverpool way, but at the moment we need a few more top players and I think we will have to pay top dollar to get them.
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Postby Espionage » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:59 am

If we had Gerrard, Pennant, Kewell and Garcia fit then we would have no issues with our wing.  Now with Momo, Alonso and Mascherano in the middle I think that next season will be a lot better.  Problem is Kewell probably wont get better and we need to bring in someone else.
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