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by **84-1083280474** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 12:21 am

john, you just have those notes ready form me , 100 wasnt it. ?

by **chiggz_likes_owen** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:24 am

If your telling me Campbells header wasn't a goal, Urs Mier or whatever his ****** name is can go ****** himself

by **blind** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:21 am

your right as Heskey would have provided a good outlet for those long balls that England kept playing to the forwards even though the Portugal defenders where winning them all night.

they needed to have3 a variation on the attack that is what Rooney has given the side and when he and (dare i say it ) Scoles went off we lost any other option apart from the ball over the top and try to get the srikers on to it. If the ball was hit too short the defenders ate it up and the rest of the time the balls where too long.

Steve looked totally exausted well before he came off. if we had had an extra day i think things may have been different but the blind ref didn't help. he must have been ****** off after we beet the Swiss.

by **banana** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:17 am

Stop being silly. He scored an easy goal last night. Even my grandmother should have scored in that position. Apart from this there was little or no evidence of his "class". However I do not think Owen will leave. Only a few clubs can meet his wage demands. These clubs already have much better strikers than Owen in their squads. Owen is not a top striker anymore, and he has not been that since 2001. It is time you realize that. As long as he had his pace, he were able to conceal his weaknesses. Now when the pace is gone, they are exposed time and again.

by **begintoend** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:31 am

Banana, I see it the way you have seen it.

Class was never in Owen since 2001. I agree to an extent, it was a fairly easy goal, add to the fact it was gifted. I was glad though that he didn't miss it. Given such an easy opportunity, Owen could have score with either legs. The level of finishing or creating of shooting chances for himself is missing. He has had better days years ago. Scoring only 1 for england is not a big issue. All he has to do is to score for Liverpool next season.

Maradona, Banana's avatar, god-like skills and that's class!

by **Big Niall** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:02 am

Lets put it straight. Heskey is rubbish - we nearly all agree on that.

Owen is a very good player who has had injury problems and doesn't have the pace he used to have. He scored one goal in four games ( I think he had a fairly good campaign - set up a lot of goals)

Baros is on the way up, scored 20 goals in about 28 games for his country. Does anybody expect a player of that class to be happy to be a SQUAD player.

If Baros played every game I'd expect him to score a bucket full, I don't know if Owen or Cisse would be a better partner but Baros must start.

If LFC don't see him as a number 1 striker, I hope he leaves as LFC don't deserve him, don't go crying when Owen gets injured and is out for 3 months (and takes one month to regain sharpness) and Baros is gone elsewhere.

WHY say Baros is a SQUAD player, if he was English you'd be creaming yourself.

by **taff** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:17 am

Owen is still a class player. The one thing Id like from him is that he thinks more about his partner as its always how will so and so fit in with Owen. To be a real great means that Owen has to adapt to players around him it will also improve his game.

I was impressed with the way he held a line giving Rooney space as Owen still scares defenders.

Great to see Baros doing well as with Cisse having three strikers capable of scoring matchwinners wont be a bad thing.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:17 am

Big Niall wrote:

Lets put it straight. Heskey is rubbish - we nearly all agree on that.

Wrong. Heskey isn't good enough to play for Liverpool FC but that doesn't mean he's rubbish. Be fair!

by **JBG** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:02 pm

stu_the_red wrote:Look mate am sorry about that, i can be b"tchy, can't we all lol.

It just pee's me off all these know nothin idiots tellin us how ****** Owen is etc every time he has a bad patch.

Its boring, pedantic and damn right stupid.

These morons never learn by there mistakes either, then say how right they were all along... when in truth they know ****** all about the game.

Stu,

Me and Supersub have criticised Owen lately, so are you calling us idiots as well?

I'm a big fan of Michael Owen. However, I have criticised him lately arguing that his form over the past 24 months has been disapointing, and I'm not entirely sure where he's going to go from here.

He is a very good player, and played a very selfless role for England in this tournament.

However, from what I have seen of Baros lately he looks like he is an emerging player of high quality, and I think that he is owed a spell in the team.

I have criticised Owen lately, but not because of his England form, but of his Liverpool form over the past 24 months. I'm still a fan of his and I still rate him as a player.

One goal against Portugal doesn't necessarily make people who criticise him idiots Stu.

By the way mate, you really need to look up the word "pedantic" in the dictionary!

by **Santa** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 2:44 pm

Look...play any player who's on form and can deliver for us, whether his name is Owen or not.
If Owen is not delivering his fair share of goals as a forward, he deserved to be dropped. Baros has been patient when GH clearly favour Owen and buy into his reputation. So if he is playing better than Owen at the moment, why shouldn't he be selected ahead of Owen?

Stu, different people have got different opinion. Don't expect us to see it your way, everytime! If you can't respect that, than you are no better than a (~C######t~). I know you are strongly opinionated and support your man loyally, but to call everyone an idiot just because they see it differently than you...? Get a grip

by **kenco** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:39 pm

Owen was pure class two years ago, but since then his contribution to the liverpool side as been woeful.He goalhangs goes missing out of the game seldom takes a man on creates nothing for himself and isn't in the same class as van nistleroy or henry if we could get a decent fee we should sell him while we still can!!

by **banana** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:50 pm

Owen is a big name player. Right now his name is much bigger than his play. I agree with you Kenco. If there is money on the table, take it. Realistically there will only be a few teams that can match his wage demands. And as I have said before these teams will have strikers far superior to Owen already. I do not know if I would even offer him a new contract if I was Rick Parry. He is expensive, injury prone and not as lethal as he was three - four years ago. I would maybe give him a more performance based pay package depending on goals scored and games played. Just to see if he will be able to get back to his 1998 - 2001 standards. I do not think he will ever recapture his form, but I am willing to give him a fair chance. Will Owen accept a more performance based salary or a drop in wages? He should. Because right now he is not worth 10% of what he is payed.

by **115-1073096938** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:40 pm

Pedantic means picky... I was saying that people are picky, they fail to acknowledge class, then put if down with there own ****** side.

I.E.... saying it was a bad finish and the grandmother could have scored. Would the grandmother have got into that position and read what was going to happen with the player missing the ball in the first place? Theres more to football than fruitcakes like that understand.

Anyone who fails to recognise what Owen does at his best simply doesn't know about football.

JBG.... I totally agree, he's been miles short of his best form for 2 years... but still scored 47 from 92 with 5 sub appearances.

Ability always comes through over form.

Kevin Campbell when he first signed for Everton... 9 goals in 8 games. Did that make him one of the worlds to players over that period? Did that make him faster... with a better touch.... and stronger and more intelligent?

Don't think so.

by **JBG** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:37 pm

I'm only being pedantic with you Stu about the pedantic comment!

Owen's finish against Portugal was top quality. The ball went over his shoulder and had he turned to face goal the ball would have run on into the keeper's hands. His swivel and powered flick was top quality.

I'm a big fan of Owen's and for years I have thought that if Owen really caught fire and scored 30 league goals, he could have won the league for Houllier.

Unfortunately he has struggled with injury a lot at times and while he can't be blamed for that, it is both frustrating for player and fans.

I have been disapointed in that he hasn't developed to the level I (and everyone else) expected of him a couple of years ago. I'm not saying that he won't achieve his potential, but the last 24 months or so have left me with nagging doubts as to whether he will.

Baros' true ability in a Liverpool shirt is still a mystery, mainly because of injury. His form has been excellent for the Czech Republic and I think it earns him a right to be at least given a chance to show what he can do for Liverpool. Its a hard one to call as Owen is still No. 1, Cisse is obviously going to be played a lot given that we will have spent £14m on him, so I'm scratching my head as to where exactly that leaves Baros.

I have a nasty feeling that Baros could be a problem for Benetiz when he comes home. I think that he will feel that he deserves a first team place and if he doesn't get one (and this is likely unless Owen was to reject a contract and we had to sell him in July) then Baros could start whinging and asking for a transfer. There is already a precedent for this: in 2002 Baros threatened to leave LFC as Phil Thompson wouldn't play him when he first arrived.

I think its very unfair for people to single Owen out for having a bad Euro 2004. He was forced to play very far forward by Erickson to allow space for Rooney in the hole. Despite this he still scored 1 goal and set up two others (and had a major part in a third). He had an ok tournament, but I wouldn't say he was poor.

by **supersub** » Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:54 pm

Well said JBG.
I find it tedious corresponding with certain members who resort to calling others names because they have a different or opposite views.It's funny how the level of abuse one hands out,usually reflects the lack of football knowledge.

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