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by **stmichael** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:32 pm

To be honest, football has gone mad, completely mad. West Ham are throwing ridiculous money at sh#t players left right and centre.

Also, Everton just bid 10 million for John Stead on a 10 year contract at 80 grand a week but he failed the medical.

by **The Specialist** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:57 pm

All you people who keep on saying how much you want Heinze and are amazed why he isn't an automatic starter for Manure considering he was their best player last season, obviously haven't seen him play that much lately...

He was great in the 2004/2005 season. A year and a half ago that ended!!!! His form has been really under-par since. For club and country.
He was injured for a long period last season, and really hasn't hit any kind of form since. Defensively he is found wanting at times, and he seems to have lost his confidence going forward.

If you actually had seen the lad play recently, you would see why Evra is in front of him.

I wouldn't mind having him in the squad as a potential sigining (in case he does ever hit the heights he's capable of again), but I wouldn't shell out a transfer fee for him or put him on silly wages. That's just my opinion, though...

by **stmichael** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:59 pm

The Specialist wrote:All you people who keep on saying how much you want Heinze and are amazed why he isn't an automatic starter for Manure considering he was their best player last season, obviously haven't seen him play that much lately...

He was great in the 2004/2005 season. A year and a half ago that ended!!!! His form has been really under-par since. For club and country.
He was injured for a long period last season, and really hasn't hit any kind of form since. Defensively he is found wanting at times, and he seems to have lost his confidence going forward.

If you actually had seen the lad play recently, you would see why Evra is in front of him.

I wouldn't mind having him in the squad as a potential sigining (in case he does ever hit the heights he's capable of again), but I wouldn't shell out a transfer fee for him or put him on silly wages. That's just my opinion, though...

evra's not a better player than heinze. ok evra looks good bombing forward but a defenders job is primarily to defend and heinze is a brilliant defender. evra can't defend to save his life.

heinze's not really a left back anyway. he's a centre back by trade.

by **woof woof !** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:34 pm

The Specialist wrote:All you people who keep on saying how much you want Heinze and are amazed why he isn't an automatic starter for Manure considering he was their best player last season, obviously haven't seen him play that much lately...

He was great in the 2004/2005 season. A year and a half ago that ended!!!! His form has been really under-par since. For club and country.
He was injured for a long period last season, and really hasn't hit any kind of form since. Defensively he is found wanting at times, and he seems to have lost his confidence going forward.

If you actually had seen the lad play recently, you would see why Evra is in front of him.

Guess we don't watch Man U as often as you apparently do

Thanks for the input anyway .

btw .According to latest reports he's determined to stick at Utd untill the summer when he can than walk away for free.

by **A.B.** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:59 pm

According to Curbishley, nothing has been agreed with Neill.

by **A.B.** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:00 pm

Rafa on the Mascherano deal:

Rafa Benitez remains confident that Liverpool can convince Fifa to bend their transfer regulations in order to sign Javier Mascherano from West Ham.

The Reds are understood to have agreed a deal for the Argentinian international, with the only remaining sticking point being the fact that he has already played for both The Hammers and Corinthians this season.

Fifa regulations prohibit any player from appearing for three separate teams between 1st July and 30th June, but Liverpool have petitioned the game's governing body to see if they can challenge the current rules.

The Reds are believed to be arguing from the perspective that Mascherano has played just six minutes of football since October after failing to make an impression under either Alan Curbishley or his predecessor Alan Pardew.

Benitez insists he is still hopeful that The Reds can succeed in winning a landmark judgement in a similar vein to the Bosman ruling which enabled freedom of movement for players out of contract in 1995.

"We are trying to find a solution with Fifa and believe we have a good case to appeal for the transfer to go ahead," said Benitez.

"People say we can't do this deal, but why are there so many other examples?

"I know of one player who played for four clubs in a year.

"There needs to be a solution and I still have confidence the player can join us. There are rules in football, but they are not laws that can't be challenged.

"The Bosman case proved that."

If Liverpool are successful then any judgement could have far-reaching consequences for the transfer market as a whole.

Premiership rivals Portsmouth could be another club to take advantage, as their attempt to sign Souleymane Diawara from Charlton has been complicated by the fact that the defender has also played for Sochaux since July 1st.

by **A.B.** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:46 pm

Pompey have signed Lauren according to BBC, why the hell didn't we go after him? Surely a better option than Neill in the RB spot?

by **davo_LFC** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:43 pm

I agree there A.B. hes much more athletic and better going forward than neill, plus hes has experience of playing for a big club and in the champions league. He would have been quality competition for finnan.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:25 am

-laughs-

Graham Beecroft from talkSPORT is funny, and idiotic.

This is the same guy who absolutely guaranteed that Michael Owen would rejoin LFC. He just said that he could understand why Lucas Neill joined West Lamb rather than LFC because nothing was guarenteed at LFC.

I think the chances of success are greater at LFC than West Veal.

:laugh:

by **Ace Ventura** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:59 am

A.B. wrote:Pompey have signed Lauren according to BBC, why the hell didn't we go after him? Surely a better option than Neill in the RB spot?

A very good point A.B, he has had his injuries but before that was one of the most consistent players in the league.
Really strange that we didnt go for him imo.

by **Ade** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:14 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:
A.B. wrote:Pompey have signed Lauren according to BBC, why the hell didn't we go after him? Surely a better option than Neill in the RB spot?

A very good point A.B, he has had his injuries but before that was one of the most consistent players in the league.
Really strange that we didnt go for him imo.

Not sure about Lauren. His positional sense had gone a bit, and he was vulnerable to a pacy winger. He was the one player the 'Invincibles' identified as a weak link. Wenger doesn't often let players go if they're still capable of performing at the top, and I think his best days are behind him.

I know it's only as cover, but i'd rather see Carra (despite his lack of pace) switch to RB if Finnan's out, and bring Agger into the middle. Carra might not be an international fullback, but I'd rather have him there than Lauren.

by **Ace Ventura** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:01 pm

Ade wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
A.B. wrote:Pompey have signed Lauren according to BBC, why the hell didn't we go after him? Surely a better option than Neill in the RB spot?

A very good point A.B, he has had his injuries but before that was one of the most consistent players in the league.
Really strange that we didnt go for him imo.

Not sure about Lauren. His positional sense had gone a bit, and he was vulnerable to a pacy winger. He was the one player the 'Invincibles' identified as a weak link. Wenger doesn't often let players go if they're still capable of performing at the top, and I think his best days are behind him.

I know it's only as cover, but i'd rather see Carra (despite his lack of pace) switch to RB if Finnan's out, and bring Agger into the middle. Carra might not be an international fullback, but I'd rather have him there than Lauren.

I disagree, i thought he was one of there most consistent players that season they went undefeated.
He may have lost something due to injuries, but the real reasons Wenger is letting him go are that he has Eboue, who is a fantastic young player, and because Lauren is probably on a high wage and is now 30, Arsenal have a very strict policy regarding contracts and wages for players that age, added to the fact that he is second choice, it made sense to cash in on him now.
I would have him at Liverpool over Lucas Neill anyday of the week.

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:51 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:
Ade wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
A.B. wrote:Pompey have signed Lauren according to BBC, why the hell didn't we go after him? Surely a better option than Neill in the RB spot?

A very good point A.B, he has had his injuries but before that was one of the most consistent players in the league.
Really strange that we didnt go for him imo.

Not sure about Lauren. His positional sense had gone a bit, and he was vulnerable to a pacy winger. He was the one player the 'Invincibles' identified as a weak link. Wenger doesn't often let players go if they're still capable of performing at the top, and I think his best days are behind him.

I know it's only as cover, but i'd rather see Carra (despite his lack of pace) switch to RB if Finnan's out, and bring Agger into the middle. Carra might not be an international fullback, but I'd rather have him there than Lauren.

I disagree, i thought he was one of there most consistent players that season they went undefeated.
He may have lost something due to injuries, but the real reasons Wenger is letting him go are that he has Eboue, who is a fantastic young player, and because Lauren is probably on a high wage and is now 30, Arsenal have a very strict policy regarding contracts and wages for players that age, added to the fact that he is second choice, it made sense to cash in on him now.
I would have him at Liverpool over Lucas Neill anyday of the week.

As would I and I was disappointed to hear we missed out on him,. too. Perhaps, though, he wasn't interested in being second choice here--at least initially. He'll definitely get a game with Pompey.

by **EddieC** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:33 pm

stmichael wrote:To be honest, football has gone mad, completely mad. West Ham are throwing ridiculous money at sh#t players left right and centre.

Also, Everton just bid 10 million for John Stead on a 10 year contract at 80 grand a week but he failed the medical.

Yeah I heard about that, apparently it was our fault he failed the medical, something to do with Heysel

by **stmichael** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:39 pm

imo we'd be stupid not to make an enqiry about leighton baines, if not in january then in the summer.

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