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sophe_lfc_4_lyf wrote:Lets just hope we can win this one then ay?

of coarse we will... 

Bad Bob wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:

murphy0151 wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:

murphy0151 wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:

murphy0151 wrote:Thats what I think Benitez is going to select on saturday.  I hope im wrong about Crouch.

Why ?

I was never a supporter of the big fella but he doesn't deserve half of the implied criticism that comes his way . If we can get Kuyt or Bellamy to learn to stick within a knock down radius of Crouchie , his true worth would be revealed .

I think one thing you need in attack more than any other is Pace.  Bellamy has plenty of pace, thats the reason why id like him to play instead of CRouch.  But I think Benitez will play Crouch cause hes big.  I was going to say good in the air but hes not is he.  Hes a threat going forward and he can also help back on set peices.

Take your point on the "pace" issue but it's worth f'uck all if
1,the pacey striker receiving the ball is offside nine times out of ten, and
2,the opposition defend so deep that despite no longer being continually caught offside the pacey striker has no space to run into.

Crouch is not the best header of the ball (certainly when going for goal) he does however get his head first to the ball more often than not . The point I'm trying to make is that most of the time there's no one to pick up his knock downs . Give him a striker in close support with an alternative marauding midfielder steaming in and I'm convinced it'll prove successful .

Wooof where Liverpool FC not Wimbeldon mate.

Liverpool have alllways been known for the passing game.  I dont reallly like to see the long ball route looking to get onto flicks as the way to play for us.  Unless we need to resort to them tactics if the first tactics havent been working.

Murph, I'm not advocating a long ball game .We do however seem to lack the guile to play our way through the final third with the ball on the deck .Our build up when not ponderous and predictable is overcomplicated . When we do try the quick through ball we're usually found offside .

I don't profess to be a great tactician but it's obvious to me that when pushed up  Crouch wins the majority of the headers he goes for, unfortunately there's never a red shirt close enough to take full advantage .

I agree with your comment

Liverpool have alllways been known for the passing game.  I dont reallly like to see the long ball route looking to get onto flicks as the way to play for us.  Unless we need to resort to them tactics if the first tactics havent been working.

But don't you think against the better sides our tactics haven't been working ?

Spot on, Woof.  This, IMO, is why Bellamy never came on against Arsenal on Saturday: they had a lead, they sat deep and there was no space for him to exploit.  Moreover, our build-up play on the deck was nowhere to be found and we weren't unlocking their two banks of four at all.  In those circumstances Plan B became Plan A: lump it up to Crouch and play for the knock-down.  There were a fair few, too, but the problem was that Gerrard--our only really willing midfield runner--was sitting deeper than Alonso and was nowhere near Crouch for the second ball.  When no one's in a position to capitalize on Crouch's flicks and knock-downs, he can look a right t!t when, in reality, he's doing his job but isn't getting the support.

Personally, I hope Watford decided to keep a high line so that we can use Bellamy's pace.  We generally play much better in those circumstances.  If they do defend deep, though, we need Crouch to win the high balls and we need Kuyt, Gerrard and someone else--Pennant?--busting a.ss to get on the end of them.

AT LAST, SOMEONE WHO KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

Was begining to think I was stuck in a 1970's time warp .   

CarlosRocks wrote:

sophe_lfc_4_lyf wrote:Lets just hope we can win this one then ay?

of coarse we will... 

Everyone said that for yesterdays match though 

woof woof ! wrote:

murphy0151 wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:

murphy0151 wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:

murphy0151 wrote:Thats what I think Benitez is going to select on saturday.  I hope im wrong about Crouch.

Why ?

I was never a supporter of the big fella but he doesn't deserve half of the implied criticism that comes his way . If we can get Kuyt or Bellamy to learn to stick within a knock down radius of Crouchie , his true worth would be revealed .

I think one thing you need in attack more than any other is Pace.  Bellamy has plenty of pace, thats the reason why id like him to play instead of CRouch.  But I think Benitez will play Crouch cause hes big.  I was going to say good in the air but hes not is he.  Hes a threat going forward and he can also help back on set peices.

Take your point on the "pace" issue but it's worth f'uck all if
1,the pacey striker receiving the ball is offside nine times out of ten, and
2,the opposition defend so deep that despite no longer being continually caught offside the pacey striker has no space to run into.

Crouch is not the best header of the ball (certainly when going for goal) he does however get his head first to the ball more often than not . The point I'm trying to make is that most of the time there's no one to pick up his knock downs . Give him a striker in close support with an alternative marauding midfielder steaming in and I'm convinced it'll prove successful .

Wooof where Liverpool FC not Wimbeldon mate.

Liverpool have alllways been known for the passing game.  I dont reallly like to see the long ball route looking to get onto flicks as the way to play for us.  Unless we need to resort to them tactics if the first tactics havent been working.

Murph, I'm not advocating a long ball game .We do however seem to lack the guile to play our way through the final third with the ball on the deck .Our build up when not ponderous and predictable is overcomplicated . When we do try the quick through ball we're usually found offside .

I don't profess to be a great tactician but it's obvious to me that when pushed up  Crouch wins the majority of the headers he goes for, unfortunately there's never a red shirt close enough to take full advantage .

I agree with your comment

Liverpool have alllways been known for the passing game.  I dont reallly like to see the long ball route looking to get onto flicks as the way to play for us.  Unless we need to resort to them tactics if the first tactics havent been working.

But don't you think against the better sides our tactics haven't been working ?

murphy0151 wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:

murphy0151 wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:

murphy0151 wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:

murphy0151 wrote:Thats what I think Benitez is going to select on saturday.  I hope im wrong about Crouch.

Why ?

I was never a supporter of the big fella but he doesn't deserve half of the implied criticism that comes his way . If we can get Kuyt or Bellamy to learn to stick within a knock down radius of Crouchie , his true worth would be revealed .

I think one thing you need in attack more than any other is Pace.  Bellamy has plenty of pace, thats the reason why id like him to play instead of CRouch.  But I think Benitez will play Crouch cause hes big.  I was going to say good in the air but hes not is he.  Hes a threat going forward and he can also help back on set peices.

Take your point on the "pace" issue but it's worth f'uck all if
1,the pacey striker receiving the ball is offside nine times out of ten, and
2,the opposition defend so deep that despite no longer being continually caught offside the pacey striker has no space to run into.

Crouch is not the best header of the ball (certainly when going for goal) he does however get his head first to the ball more often than not . The point I'm trying to make is that most of the time there's no one to pick up his knock downs . Give him a striker in close support with an alternative marauding midfielder steaming in and I'm convinced it'll prove successful .

Wooof where Liverpool FC not Wimbeldon mate.

Liverpool have alllways been known for the passing game.  I dont reallly like to see the long ball route looking to get onto flicks as the way to play for us.  Unless we need to resort to them tactics if the first tactics havent been working.

Murph, I'm not advocating a long ball game .We do however seem to lack the guile to play our way through the final third with the ball on the deck .Our build up when not ponderous and predictable is overcomplicated . When we do try the quick through ball we're usually found offside .

I don't profess to be a great tactician but it's obvious to me that when pushed up  Crouch wins the majority of the headers he goes for, unfortunately there's never a red shirt close enough to take full advantage .

I agree with your comment

Liverpool have alllways been known for the passing game.  I dont reallly like to see the long ball route looking to get onto flicks as the way to play for us.  Unless we need to resort to them tactics if the first tactics havent been working.

But don't you think against the better sides our tactics haven't been working ?

I think the tactics ave been spot on but the goals havent come when weve had the chances.  Against most of the big teams we have had great chances, before we've gone behind.  I suppose you could say that the tactics are wrong cause we havent scored.  But for me, we havent been totally out played by anyone and with a little bit of good fortune in these games we could of easily of come away with more than what we got.  Chelsea game springs to mind, also the man utd game we started the better.  The everton game was the most bizzare game ive ever been to.  I have never seen a more one sided game were the team playing the better football has gone onto get beat 3-0.  Rafa's tactical knowledge is second to none.  Before he come to Liverpool we had been on a run of god knows how many games were if weve gone behind first we have never been able to pull it back and win.  Rafa was here only a couple of months and that soon changed. 

I know some people wont agree with me but so what, this is my oppinion. 

Also take a good long look at my signature underneath.  If he gets the time and the backing from the board Rafa will deliver. 


HOLD YOUR HEAD UP HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bamaga man wrote:I'd happily take a scrappy one nil win with one of their defenders shining the ball in from a dodgy corner. For all our dominance in recent games and not converting chances into goals, that kind of game will do me fine. Watford are no mugs and they'll make life difficult, if I was their manager I'd use Sam Alladyces tactics and tell them to rough us up, play deep and frustrate this Liverpool team. In the old days a backlash would be on the cards for the next team if Liverpool took a pounding in the prior one, but these days this team are different.
We need this win badly and with a bit of luck we'll get it and hopefully erase the bad loses to Arsenal in time for the humdinger against the Chavs.

Come on REDs !!!!!!!!

totally agree with you ther mate! sensible post which speaks for it"s self the result tomorrow is all that matters. i will sing,shout do what ever to encourage the boys tomorrow, come on you mighty reds!