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by **murphy0151** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:39 pm

Redman in wales wrote:
puroresu wrote:
CarlosRocks wrote:
puroresu wrote:
stmichael wrote:Saturday can't come quick enough for me. This is a game where we'll truly find out about the character of certain players after what's quite frankly been a shocking few days.

Reina

Finnan Carragher Hyypia Aurelio

Pennant Alonso Gerrard Riise

Bellamy Kuyt

How many World class players do feel is in that side?

Gerrard
Carragher
Alonso
Reina
Kuyt???

I think thats a bit of a stretch.

Gerrard no doubt is World Class.
Carragher is very good, world class? I dont think so but that doesnt mean he isnt a very good defender. If he had an extra yard of pace and better ball distribution then yes.
Alonso has all the tools to be World class. His range of passing is fantastic.
Reina is again a very good keeper. Not sure his world class though.
Kuyt - Works hard, can score goals. World class? I aint so sure.

does it matter?

how many 'world class' players are in this side:

Jens Lehmann
Justin Hoyte
Kolo Toure
Philippe Senderos
Gael Clichy
Alexander Hleb
Cesc Fabregas
Gilberto
Tomas Rosicky
Thierry Henry
Robin Van Persie

arsenals last league match

henry - world class
Gilberto / fabregas - getting there/ on the fringes of
Van Persie/Hleb /Rosicky/Lehmann - v. good but not 'world class'

this is a thread about our next league match. not a doom and gloom thread - - the world class players debate can surely fit in one of the many other threads analysing our squad

Kolo Toure is world class in my book anyway. Imagine him and Terry in centre half.

Anyway onto the game saturday morning. Riisee he is playing awful but I think hes still going to getthe nod instead of Aurelio or Warnock. I think Warnock picked up a little injury last night anyway, and Aurelio isint playing to the best of hs ability at the moment either.

I think it will be as follows.

Reinna (thank :censored:

for that.
Finnan
Carra
Agger
Riisse (Or weakest position)
Pennant
Gerrard
Xabi
Aurelio ( Just for that fact he can put better balls in than Riise)
Kuyt
Crouch

Thats what I think Benitez is going to select on saturday. I hope im wrong about Crouch.

by **murphy0151** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:43 pm

Crouchamania wrote:Riise likes to shoot a lot and will have more chance in midfield. He also aint the best defender (im sure murphy will agree with me on that 1!) Just think of all the goals he scored in left mid in 2001/2. Why not give Warnock a chance at left back?

Riiise likes to shooot. And 9 times out of ten they end up in row Z.

His shooting is awfull. ONe in ten he hits it properly.

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:47 pm

murphy0151 wrote:Thats what I think Benitez is going to select on saturday. I hope im wrong about Crouch.

Why ?

I was never a supporter of the big fella but he doesn't deserve half of the implied criticism that comes his way . If we can get Kuyt or Bellamy to learn to stick within a knock down radius of Crouchie , his true worth would be revealed .

by **Crouchamania** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:55 pm

I'd wouldn't play Crouch from the start because from what i've heard Watford have tall defenders who aren't the quickest. Possibly Bellamy could run em ragged for about 70 minutes then bring Crouch on to finish them off.

by **murphy0151** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:03 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
murphy0151 wrote:Thats what I think Benitez is going to select on saturday. I hope im wrong about Crouch.

Why ?

I was never a supporter of the big fella but he doesn't deserve half of the implied criticism that comes his way . If we can get Kuyt or Bellamy to learn to stick within a knock down radius of Crouchie , his true worth would be revealed .

I think one thing you need in attack more than any other is Pace. Bellamy has plenty of pace, thats the reason why id like him to play instead of CRouch. But I think Benitez will play Crouch cause hes big. I was going to say good in the air but hes not is he. Hes a threat going forward and he can also help back on set peices.

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:15 pm

murphy0151 wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
murphy0151 wrote:Thats what I think Benitez is going to select on saturday. I hope im wrong about Crouch.

Why ?

I was never a supporter of the big fella but he doesn't deserve half of the implied criticism that comes his way . If we can get Kuyt or Bellamy to learn to stick within a knock down radius of Crouchie , his true worth would be revealed .

I think one thing you need in attack more than any other is Pace. Bellamy has plenty of pace, thats the reason why id like him to play instead of CRouch. But I think Benitez will play Crouch cause hes big. I was going to say good in the air but hes not is he. Hes a threat going forward and he can also help back on set peices.

Take your point on the "pace" issue but it's worth f'uck all if
1,the pacey striker receiving the ball is offside nine times out of ten, and
2,the opposition defend so deep that despite no longer being continually caught offside the pacey striker has no space to run into.

Crouch is not the best header of the ball (certainly when going for goal) he does however get his head first to the ball more often than not . The point I'm trying to make is that most of the time there's no one to pick up his knock downs . Give him a striker in close support with an alternative marauding midfielder steaming in and I'm convinced it'll prove successful .

by **Scouse_legend** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:17 pm

ive got tickets to the game should hopefully be a win but arsenal games might of nocked are confiedence a bit so i dont no lol me and me dad go most games we season ticket holders

lol 3-1 liverpool

by **Crouchamania** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:17 pm

Unfortunately the only person who seems to be able to do that is Gerrard as we saw in the Fa cup final. What we need is a kind of Keegan/Toshack partnership who have some sort of telepathy with each other otherwise well never know our best strikeforce.

by **murphy0151** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:22 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
murphy0151 wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
murphy0151 wrote:Thats what I think Benitez is going to select on saturday. I hope im wrong about Crouch.

Why ?

I was never a supporter of the big fella but he doesn't deserve half of the implied criticism that comes his way . If we can get Kuyt or Bellamy to learn to stick within a knock down radius of Crouchie , his true worth would be revealed .

I think one thing you need in attack more than any other is Pace. Bellamy has plenty of pace, thats the reason why id like him to play instead of CRouch. But I think Benitez will play Crouch cause hes big. I was going to say good in the air but hes not is he. Hes a threat going forward and he can also help back on set peices.

Take your point on the "pace" issue but it's worth f'uck all if
1,the pacey striker receiving the ball is offside nine times out of ten, and
2,the opposition defend so deep that despite no longer being continually caught offside the pacey striker has no space to run into.

Crouch is not the best header of the ball (certainly when going for goal) he does however get his head first to the ball more often than not . The point I'm trying to make is that most of the time there's no one to pick up his knock downs . Give him a striker in close support with an alternative marauding midfielder steaming in and I'm convinced it'll prove successful .

Wooof where Liverpool FC not Wimbeldon mate.

Liverpool have alllways been known for the passing game. I dont reallly like to see the long ball route looking to get onto flicks as the way to play for us. Unless we need to resort to them tactics if the first tactics havent been working.

by **Crouchamania** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:40 pm

Unless we need to resort to them tactics if the first tactics havent been working.

What like now you mean

by **Scouse_legend** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:41 pm

We just signed some player called Sebastian Leto o hope rafa nows wat he is doing lol

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:44 pm

murphy0151 wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
murphy0151 wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
murphy0151 wrote:Thats what I think Benitez is going to select on saturday. I hope im wrong about Crouch.

Why ?

I was never a supporter of the big fella but he doesn't deserve half of the implied criticism that comes his way . If we can get Kuyt or Bellamy to learn to stick within a knock down radius of Crouchie , his true worth would be revealed .

I think one thing you need in attack more than any other is Pace. Bellamy has plenty of pace, thats the reason why id like him to play instead of CRouch. But I think Benitez will play Crouch cause hes big. I was going to say good in the air but hes not is he. Hes a threat going forward and he can also help back on set peices.

Take your point on the "pace" issue but it's worth f'uck all if
1,the pacey striker receiving the ball is offside nine times out of ten, and
2,the opposition defend so deep that despite no longer being continually caught offside the pacey striker has no space to run into.

Crouch is not the best header of the ball (certainly when going for goal) he does however get his head first to the ball more often than not . The point I'm trying to make is that most of the time there's no one to pick up his knock downs . Give him a striker in close support with an alternative marauding midfielder steaming in and I'm convinced it'll prove successful .

Wooof where Liverpool FC not Wimbeldon mate.

Liverpool have alllways been known for the passing game. I dont reallly like to see the long ball route looking to get onto flicks as the way to play for us. Unless we need to resort to them tactics if the first tactics havent been working.

Murph, I'm not advocating a long ball game .We do however seem to lack the guile to play our way through the final third with the ball on the deck .Our build up when not ponderous and predictable is overcomplicated . When we do try the quick through ball we're usually found offside .

I don't profess to be a great tactician but it's obvious to me that when pushed up Crouch wins the majority of the headers he goes for, unfortunately there's never a red shirt close enough to take full advantage .

I agree with your comment

Liverpool have alllways been known for the passing game. I dont reallly like to see the long ball route looking to get onto flicks as the way to play for us. Unless we need to resort to them tactics if the first tactics havent been working.

But don't you think against the better sides our tactics haven't been working ?

by **zarababe** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:50 pm

In between Murph and Woof ...

I predict 3-0 to the reds

Kuyt
Gerrard
Bellamy

carry on boys !

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:52 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
murphy0151 wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
murphy0151 wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
murphy0151 wrote:Thats what I think Benitez is going to select on saturday. I hope im wrong about Crouch.

Why ?

I was never a supporter of the big fella but he doesn't deserve half of the implied criticism that comes his way . If we can get Kuyt or Bellamy to learn to stick within a knock down radius of Crouchie , his true worth would be revealed .

I think one thing you need in attack more than any other is Pace. Bellamy has plenty of pace, thats the reason why id like him to play instead of CRouch. But I think Benitez will play Crouch cause hes big. I was going to say good in the air but hes not is he. Hes a threat going forward and he can also help back on set peices.

Take your point on the "pace" issue but it's worth f'uck all if
1,the pacey striker receiving the ball is offside nine times out of ten, and
2,the opposition defend so deep that despite no longer being continually caught offside the pacey striker has no space to run into.

Crouch is not the best header of the ball (certainly when going for goal) he does however get his head first to the ball more often than not . The point I'm trying to make is that most of the time there's no one to pick up his knock downs . Give him a striker in close support with an alternative marauding midfielder steaming in and I'm convinced it'll prove successful .

Wooof where Liverpool FC not Wimbeldon mate.

Liverpool have alllways been known for the passing game. I dont reallly like to see the long ball route looking to get onto flicks as the way to play for us. Unless we need to resort to them tactics if the first tactics havent been working.

Murph, I'm not advocating a long ball game .We do however seem to lack the guile to play our way through the final third with the ball on the deck .Our build up when not ponderous and predictable is overcomplicated . When we do try the quick through ball we're usually found offside .

I don't profess to be a great tactician but it's obvious to me that when pushed up Crouch wins the majority of the headers he goes for, unfortunately there's never a red shirt close enough to take full advantage .

I agree with your comment
Liverpool have alllways been known for the passing game. I dont reallly like to see the long ball route looking to get onto flicks as the way to play for us. Unless we need to resort to them tactics if the first tactics havent been working.

But don't you think against the better sides our tactics haven't been working ?

Spot on, Woof. This, IMO, is why Bellamy never came on against Arsenal on Saturday: they had a lead, they sat deep and there was no space for him to exploit. Moreover, our build-up play on the deck was nowhere to be found and we weren't unlocking their two banks of four at all. In those circumstances Plan B became Plan A: lump it up to Crouch and play for the knock-down. There were a fair few, too, but the problem was that Gerrard--our only really willing midfield runner--was sitting deeper than Alonso and was nowhere near Crouch for the second ball. When no one's in a position to capitalize on Crouch's flicks and knock-downs, he can look a right t!t when, in reality, he's doing his job but isn't getting the support.

Personally, I hope Watford decided to keep a high line so that we can use Bellamy's pace. We generally play much better in those circumstances. If they do defend deep, though, we need Crouch to win the high balls and we need Kuyt, Gerrard and someone else--Pennant?--busting a.ss to get on the end of them.

by **dawson99** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:53 pm

scoring goals isnt the issue, its stopping the leaks... and even that wasnt the issue 2 games ago...

what we need is to get back to our 'confindence' football. quick passing, quick movement, and vision from xabi and stevie, and im confident we'll get back to how we played over most of xmas

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