
Sabre wrote:Why do we have to give the lad a season? I find statements like this laughable if i'm honest.
Because there have been houndreds of great players that have given his best from the second season, not the very first.
Not every player is Alonso or Gerrard. I think that Kewell for instance, didn't impress in his first season as he did in his former club, but he's been growing as a player after that -unlucky with injuries- though. We have a dribbling winger with Kewell, Gonzo has other features, and that's good for the team. 10 games might be enough to say that he has been dissapointing, but not enough to say he's won't ever be sucessful at this club.
Because the Liverpool staff know him well since his stage in Albacete, and they could hear all the praises that the pundits said in his spell in Real Sociedad. Because that amount of games have more weight than his first 10 matches in a new country and league. Because in 10 games any player can have a bad form. Best ones too.
Because one season is just not enough to say wether a player will be successful to the club, unless he's awful (Josemi). I can remember dozens of players who did shine in their first year and then fell into mediocrity.
I don't know if that's laughable, but I do know that most serious clubs -not chavski- do not make one year contracts unless the player is old, and I find difficult to find serious clubs that offload a player after the very first season in the club. Especially if he's young, international and is followed by several teams in Europe.
The Specialist wrote:What's funny is that people like the poster above will say things like they have, and think "They either have it or they don't. You can tell right away." But, then their actions beforehand contradict what they say. I'm sure this Stu person is someone who will agree with the tired line "Class is permanent. Form is temporary." Why on earth have you always defended Pennant, and slagged Gonzalez? Pennant has been pretty shi.te for the magority of his time here and has just started to show something. I've read your posts, and you always defended him on PAST performances of his when he showed practically nothing in Liverpool. Guess what? Gonzalez tore up teams such as Real Madrid, and played at a high level for the most part of his loan period last season at Real Sociedad. How you can say he has no ability is laughable, if you had actually seen him play then. Imagine if none of us had seen Pennant play before his time at LFC, we would all be furious at Rafa for signing him and he quickly would have been labeled "a waste of space, with no hope of improving". So, maybe instead of judging him of what has been a really below-par season so far...maybe you should think twice before spouting off your nonsense and give him some time. Since for many people who have seen him play well, they think he will come good (Much like your stance on Pennant before he had 1 or 2 decent games)...
Sabre wrote:I admit I was wrong with Kewell's start but I don't admit that great players has started shining from moment one always. Perhaps the best players of this squad have, but not around the world and along history.
I also admit he's a poor dribbler. I don't think he has a bad touch when the ball is dead, he took well the corners last season, and several free kicks. He also put good crosses when the ball is dead.
While running he doesn't elevate the ball much if any, but very rarely a player that run with that pace does that.
I think that he got wrong quite many decissions this year, but I think it's just the initial pressure. Too much precipitation. Last year I saw him making very good runs when other team mates had the ball, and he knew positioning in the area to finish with a tap in or close shot. You have to be a clever player to do that good runs.
I'm not sure how fast is electric, but he's the fastest in the squad, if I'm not wrong.
We'll see, we'll see. If I'm wrong, I won't have troubles to admit it.
A few people have mentioned how little of the ball he got agaist Bolton, i was supprised to, ive seen the game a couple of times now and he didnt acturely do a lot wrong when on the ball mostly opting to let Riise bring it forward and i think that is the problem. I see a player with ability but with no confidence was not so much his possitioning just he didnt go looking for the ball and was happy to let Riise do the attacking down the left.
I have yet to see him up for it willing to take a gamble willing to try and impose him self on a game. Things will not improve untill he starts looking for the ball and geting the servise at the moment he must hate playing at Anfield ( all the grouns ) he looks scared to move, ultimatly its up to him to prove he can cut it at LFC but we as fans can only help with a bit of support.
So at the risk of making a vein pop in Stu head im in the bit more time camp, no confidence at all, is LFC to big for him?.......
Sabre wrote:Xabi Alonso is slow, Xabi Alonso can't dribble, Xabi Alonso can't make it to the Premiere's pace. That's what some of you would say if Alonso didn't play at his best from moment one.
And now that we'll have fresh money, some fans will be asking lots of signing ups, the more expensive the better, only to ask to offload them soon enough.
Ace', "so called" videos? you doubt about them?there are full reports of full games about players like Gonzalez and Fabio Aurelio (I think he'll be the next victim of the impatience) that speak well of that players. Your so called opinion is not very balanced. Of course that we'd hate him if he was an Arsenal player, what kind of arguement is that?. We'd also hate Alonso if he was an Arsenal player for that matter.
With the amount of foreigners in your league, I'm still surprised some of you talk about the premiere as it was some sort of NBA. Football is football everywhere. Alonso has the pace? no, yet he's class in the EPL. Luis Garcia is strong? no, yet he scores a lot of goals in the league. Too many prejudices.A few people have mentioned how little of the ball he got agaist Bolton, i was supprised to, ive seen the game a couple of times now and he didnt acturely do a lot wrong when on the ball mostly opting to let Riise bring it forward and i think that is the problem. I see a player with ability but with no confidence was not so much his possitioning just he didnt go looking for the ball and was happy to let Riise do the attacking down the left.
I have yet to see him up for it willing to take a gamble willing to try and impose him self on a game. Things will not improve untill he starts looking for the ball and geting the servise at the moment he must hate playing at Anfield ( all the grouns ) he looks scared to move, ultimatly its up to him to prove he can cut it at LFC but we as fans can only help with a bit of support.
So at the risk of making a vein pop in Stu head im in the bit more time camp, no confidence at all, is LFC to big for him?.......
I think this mate explains well Gonzalez problems and he talks sense, as he sees the player's problems but he doesn't slash him after watching him a *few* games. It's about confidence. He didn't get much of the ball against Bolton, true, and that's because we charged the game on the right. Just as we did against Tottenham, and Aurelio didn't get much of the ball that day neither.
But hey, this is just my opinion.
BTW, I think the next victim of the sharpest criticism will be Fabio Aurelio
BTW, I think the next victim of the sharpest criticism will be Fabio Aurelio
Sabre wrote:Xabi Alonso is slow, Xabi Alonso can't dribble, Xabi Alonso can't make it to the Premiere's pace. That's what some of you would say if Alonso didn't play at his best from moment one.
And now that we'll have fresh money, some fans will be asking lots of signing ups, the more expensive the better, only to ask to offload them soon enough.
Ace', "so called" videos? you doubt about them?there are full reports of full games about players like Gonzalez and Fabio Aurelio (I think he'll be the next victim of the impatience) that speak well of that players. Your so called opinion is not very balanced. Of course that we'd hate him if he was an Arsenal player, what kind of arguement is that?. We'd also hate Alonso if he was an Arsenal player for that matter.
With the amount of foreigners in your league, I'm still surprised some of you talk about the premiere as it was some sort of NBA. Football is football everywhere. Alonso has the pace? no, yet he's class in the EPL. Luis Garcia is strong? no, yet he scores a lot of goals in the league. Too many prejudices.A few people have mentioned how little of the ball he got agaist Bolton, i was supprised to, ive seen the game a couple of times now and he didnt acturely do a lot wrong when on the ball mostly opting to let Riise bring it forward and i think that is the problem. I see a player with ability but with no confidence was not so much his possitioning just he didnt go looking for the ball and was happy to let Riise do the attacking down the left.
I have yet to see him up for it willing to take a gamble willing to try and impose him self on a game. Things will not improve untill he starts looking for the ball and geting the servise at the moment he must hate playing at Anfield ( all the grouns ) he looks scared to move, ultimatly its up to him to prove he can cut it at LFC but we as fans can only help with a bit of support.
So at the risk of making a vein pop in Stu head im in the bit more time camp, no confidence at all, is LFC to big for him?.......
I think this mate explains well Gonzalez problems and he talks sense, as he sees the player's problems but he doesn't slash him after watching him a *few* games. It's about confidence. He didn't get much of the ball against Bolton, true, and that's because we charged the game on the right. Just as we did against Tottenham, and Aurelio didn't get much of the ball that day neither.
But hey, this is just my opinion.
BTW, I think the next victim of the sharpest criticism will be Fabio Aurelio
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