Liverpool FC Forum

by **crazyhorse** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:27 am

A.B. wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:Crouch I think knows he is a "speciality" player. He's never going to be automatic first choice every match. He's the kind of player who you bring on later in the match to cause problems for the defence. Either way, we win. If he stays, we keep a player who quite honestly has delivered since we bought him. If he goes, we can make a good profit on what we paid for him. I think we should buy Huntelaar from Ajax.

Kuyt, Bellamy, Huntelaar and Crouch.

That's a good strike force.

Huntelaar is overrated. I've heard the same from Ajax supporters as well.

A good strike force it may be, but it is not a great one. We are still short of a world class striker, and none of the alternatives mentioned here fit the bill.

If you cannot improve on what we have leave well alone - Crouch is doing a job for us, he is worth his place and will continue to do well when he is called upon.

by **Sarge** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:28 am

A.B. wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:Crouch I think knows he is a "speciality" player. He's never going to be automatic first choice every match. He's the kind of player who you bring on later in the match to cause problems for the defence. Either way, we win. If he stays, we keep a player who quite honestly has delivered since we bought him. If he goes, we can make a good profit on what we paid for him. I think we should buy Huntelaar from Ajax.

Kuyt, Bellamy, Huntelaar and Crouch.

That's a good strike force.

Huntelaar is overrated. I've heard the same from Ajax supporters as well.

interesting write about huntelaar.

i remember last year when the hype on bringing kuyt to anfield caused pretty much similar stir as to this huntelaar guy. Some said that kuyt is overrated and never good enough for liverpool but it turns out differently now.
My point is that it all boils down to the player's character. Kuyt, crouch are both workhorse to the team and somehow enhance the overall attacking quality of the team that was never present during baros and cisse presence.
Couple of seasons passed and we are certainly improving on the overall quality, not individually. Our game is getting faster, more aggresive, more quality short passes; rafa wants to lay down his lfc foundation based on total quality rather individual.
I do not see we are going to have 20 goals per season striker but probably 40 goals per 5 players per say. Andy Johnson was prolific couple of seasons back but crystal palace was still demoted to the championship because the team was lacking overall quality.
What's the point of having prolific and clinical finishers in the team if we do not have total quality?
Crouch does indeed bring out the best in our team. End of

by **crazyhorse** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:41 am

Sarge wrote:
A.B. wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:Crouch I think knows he is a "speciality" player. He's never going to be automatic first choice every match. He's the kind of player who you bring on later in the match to cause problems for the defence. Either way, we win. If he stays, we keep a player who quite honestly has delivered since we bought him. If he goes, we can make a good profit on what we paid for him. I think we should buy Huntelaar from Ajax.

Kuyt, Bellamy, Huntelaar and Crouch.

That's a good strike force.

Huntelaar is overrated. I've heard the same from Ajax supporters as well.

interesting write about huntelaar.

i remember last year when the hype on bringing kuyt to anfield caused pretty much similar stir as to this huntelaar guy. Some said that kuyt is overrated and never good enough for liverpool but it turns out differently now.
My point is that it all boils down to the player's character. Kuyt, crouch are both workhorse to the team and somehow enhance the overall attacking quality of the team that was never present during baros and cisse presence.
Couple of seasons passed and we are certainly improving on the overall quality, not individually. Our game is getting faster, more aggresive, more quality short passes; rafa wants to lay down his lfc foundation based on total quality rather individual.
I do not see we are going to have 20 goals per season striker but probably 40 goals per 5 players per say. Andy Johnson was prolific couple of seasons back but crystal palace was still demoted to the championship because the team was lacking overall quality.
What's the point of having prolific and clinical finishers in the team if we do not have total quality?
Crouch does indeed bring out the best in our team. End of

What you are saying does not make sense.. Against Blackburn we missed several clear cut chances that an Henry, or a Owen would stick away.

We are making chances but there needs to be a clinical finisher who is going to put the majority of what comes his way into the net - I still think Robbie is capable of this, but he cannot play that many games a season. Kuyt and Bellamy will score, but they are liable to miss as many as they score..

Your comparrison with Andy johnson does not hold water - yes he scored 20 plus in a relegated side but he was their only recognised front man playing regulary and played in almost all of their matches - on the other hand if we had a player who had scored that 20 goals for us that could have meant an extra 12 or so points - putting us right back in the reconing for the title.

by **Sabre** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:35 pm

To be honest I didn't read this thread until now :blush:

because I thought it was yet another player slaying thread, I didn't even see who wrote the post.

And then I realised by a Lando's comment that a possible buy of Villa was being discussed here.

I don't see it happening, it's too much money and he signed his contract in summer. I think the media just knows we have some fresh money, and they'll start speculating about names from now on.

In Spain I haven't read any of this. As for Crouch, I think that in this his second team his proved more than enough that he is a valid player for the team and shouldn't go.

by **DonnieDarko** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:35 am

Crouchy is a good player. Not as good as Bellamy or Kuyt but a more than capable backup.

by **aCe'** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:08 am

DonnieDarko wrote:Crouchy is a good player. Not as good as Bellamy or Kuyt but a more than capable backup.

Ok... im just gonna come out and say it....
Crouch, Kuyt and perhaps even Bellamy would make pretty good substitutes...
If we wanna improve the quality of our squad... i expect us to sign some class players in the positions that need improving...
our forward line tops the list imo !
All 3 of our strikers dont seem to be natural goalscorers , they do all the work and run all over the pitch only to miss when they should score... too many missed chances for my liking !
i'd love to see a great finisher... a topclass forward who can actually score from half a chance ! i think that would do us wonders with the formations rafa seems to come up with.
I like Bellamy, he has pace and has looked dangerous going forward at times... Kuyt i think is replacable... Crouch is definitely replacable !

Way i see it , if we are to bring new (better) players -which i believe we should- we will ultimately have to let some players go... in our forward line... Crouch seems to be first in line !
Bellamy i believe would be a much better player if he plays alongside a great finisher... his game opens up defences and gives his strike partner more space and options in the final third !

by **Ciggy** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:14 am

Read an piece on Rawk about Rafa saying Crouch is being badly advised by people around him, and that he still believes the hype from the England setup.
Rafa sounded a bit p.issed off by his attitude, and his agent advising him on the current situation.

by **shanks** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:22 am

aCe' reading your post you are a brave man to say what you said and you are right about Crouch, Kuyt that there would make pretty good substitutes..

by **oakton** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:18 am

as i have said before, Crouch only kicks goals when we are dominating in possessions. Don't expect him to kick a goal when we aren't playing too great or that we are behind in goals in dying seconds of the game.

by **Graeme Noble** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:38 pm

s@int wrote:I like Crouch and think he's had a bit of a rough deal this season. For £12million I would snatch their hands off though.

Agreed.

by **redhayesy** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:43 pm

RobG14 wrote:This is the most pointless debate ive ever seen or heard. Crouch is sh*te, end of!!!!
He cost us that game against blackburn the other day, we should have been two nil up at least by half time, but no!! cuz crouch cant put the ball in the net. Anyone who argues otherwise let me ask you this- considering that he has started in most of the big games (chelsea, man utd, arsenal etc..) since his arrival, how many of them games has he actually put in a performance in- NONE!!!!!-its like playing with ten men. He hugs the touchline like hes thierry fuc*ing henry, well ive got news for you he aint, and when he does actually get his slow in the box he aint no use anyway. If anyone thinks were gonna win anything with that freak then they are dillusional, Crouch good enough for LFC- NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you have proved in one post you no nothing about LFC let alone football in general! crouch is a very good team player aswell as a very good goal scorer,his awarness of what is going on around him is good to watch, and like all good strikers he put"s himself in the right postions to enable himself to create a chance for himself or set it up fof a team mate! get off his back you clueless tw@t. like i have said in other posts -raffa rates crouch, and with the quality of players we have at this football club he will just get better & better, crouch has shown a great attitude when picked or left on the bench and is an inspiration to all the other players who may take their place for granted. :buttrock

by **oakton** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:23 am

why don't you married him?

by **mattylfc** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:33 pm

How good was Crouch's touch yesterday. His control of the ball is unbelievable at times, comes so natural to him.

Such a great finish for his goal and i think his celebration suggested that he hasnt let things get to him. Nice to see him celebrate a special goal with his team-mates in front of the kop.

Nice one Crouchie!

by **Smeg** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:36 pm

Crouch isnt shi*e, hes a decent player. But, for 7m there was better out there. Hopfully we can get a profit on the 7m, if we can he should be sold.

by **redmikey** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:54 pm

anyone who can't see his talent should just stick to getting there opinions of the back pages as they are think as f%ck

when he learns how to attack a cross in the air he will score very game, and get paco to get milan baros head weights that pulled his head down ,plonk them on crouchie to build some neck muscles up and the lad will bury every header

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