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Crouchamania wrote:The thing about Riise is no matter what his form is like all he has 2 do is score 1 of his specials and he'll be a fan favourite again 4 a while. Lampard scores a lot of long range goals (ok granted many of them free kicks) and we call him overrated (rightly so as well) but is Riise any different? My point is apart from his fierce shot what does he have?

aCe' wrote:

Crouchamania wrote:The thing about Riise is no matter what his form is like all he has 2 do is score 1 of his specials and he'll be a fan favourite again 4 a while. Lampard scores a lot of long range goals (ok granted many of them free kicks) and we call him overrated (rightly so as well) but is Riise any different? My point is apart from his fierce shot what does he have?

well... besides his long range efforts....riise doesnt have much going for him ! his defensive game improved alot in recent years but is still some way short of what is expected at this level . His crossing is below par to say the least and to me, his creativity while on the ball is what has let him down the most... compare Riise while on the ball to A.Cole or P.Evra or R.Carlos or Zambrotta to see what i mean.

And Lampard is a great footballer imo !
top level creativity and vision while on the ball.
His shooting from long range is absolutely brilliant... his technique on the shot is what is so good about his shots..
quite honestly... his shooting is only one of many great attributes of his ! top class footballer !

STR_18+5 wrote:

aCe' wrote:

Crouchamania wrote:The thing about Riise is no matter what his form is like all he has 2 do is score 1 of his specials and he'll be a fan favourite again 4 a while. Lampard scores a lot of long range goals (ok granted many of them free kicks) and we call him overrated (rightly so as well) but is Riise any different? My point is apart from his fierce shot what does he have?

well... besides his long range efforts....riise doesnt have much going for him ! his defensive game improved alot in recent years but is still some way short of what is expected at this level . His crossing is below par to say the least and to me, his creativity while on the ball is what has let him down the most... compare Riise while on the ball to A.Cole or P.Evra or R.Carlos or Zambrotta to see what i mean.

And Lampard is a great footballer imo !
top level creativity and vision while on the ball.
His shooting from long range is absolutely brilliant... his technique on the shot is what is so good about his shots..
quite honestly... his shooting is only one of many great attributes of his ! top class footballer !

Riise's a good player.

He's decent to good at everything excelling in stamina, shooting and movement off the ball. Also his energy and willingness to run is excellent.

He's not a great player, he's a decent one... but certainly isn't as bad as what the dickheads in this thread have made him out to be.

As for you thinking Lampards "top class" thats just laughable. Lampards a good player playing to his strengths in a team with alot of excellent players.

Lampards not better than the likes of Cahill, Barton, Osman, Bullard... Not a bad player, but nothing like what he's made out to be.

STR_18+5 wrote:

aCe' wrote:

Crouchamania wrote:The thing about Riise is no matter what his form is like all he has 2 do is score 1 of his specials and he'll be a fan favourite again 4 a while. Lampard scores a lot of long range goals (ok granted many of them free kicks) and we call him overrated (rightly so as well) but is Riise any different? My point is apart from his fierce shot what does he have?

well... besides his long range efforts....riise doesnt have much going for him ! his defensive game improved alot in recent years but is still some way short of what is expected at this level . His crossing is below par to say the least and to me, his creativity while on the ball is what has let him down the most... compare Riise while on the ball to A.Cole or P.Evra or R.Carlos or Zambrotta to see what i mean.

And Lampard is a great footballer imo !
top level creativity and vision while on the ball.
His shooting from long range is absolutely brilliant... his technique on the shot is what is so good about his shots..
quite honestly... his shooting is only one of many great attributes of his ! top class footballer !

Riise's a good player.

He's decent to good at everything excelling in stamina, shooting and movement off the ball. Also his energy and willingness to run is excellent.

He's not a great player, he's a decent one... but certainly isn't as bad as what the dickheads in this thread have made him out to be.

As for you thinking Lampards "top class" thats just laughable. Lampards a good player playing to his strengths in a team with alot of excellent players.

Lampards not better than the likes of Cahill, Barton, Osman, Bullard... Not a bad player, but nothing like what he's made out to be.

Anyone who says Riiise is goood enough for Liverpool have different expectations then me.   If I want to see our left back hooof the ball up the field or more often than out into the satnds, then ill go to buckley hill to watch sunday league.

He is, and has been rubbish for along time.  Rubbish is harsh cause he would probably walk into most mid table premiership teams.  Hes been the weakest link for a long time.  An as for them people who say hes got good energy levels, me lets go down the local cross country club and get them signed up.

Also if you dont think Lampard is class I think you must be watching a totally different player than me.  Gerrards better of course but that goes without saying as hes ours.

murphy0151 wrote:

STR_18 wrote:

aCe' wrote:

Crouchamania wrote:The thing about Riise is no matter what his form is like all he has 2 do is score 1 of his specials and he'll be a fan favourite again 4 a while. Lampard scores a lot of long range goals (ok granted many of them free kicks) and we call him overrated (rightly so as well) but is Riise any different? My point is apart from his fierce shot what does he have?

well... besides his long range efforts....riise doesnt have much going for him ! his defensive game improved alot in recent years but is still some way short of what is expected at this level . His crossing is below par to say the least and to me, his creativity while on the ball is what has let him down the most... compare Riise while on the ball to A.Cole or P.Evra or R.Carlos or Zambrotta to see what i mean.

And Lampard is a great footballer imo !
top level creativity and vision while on the ball.
His shooting from long range is absolutely brilliant... his technique on the shot is what is so good about his shots..
quite honestly... his shooting is only one of many great attributes of his ! top class footballer !

Riise's a good player.

He's decent to good at everything excelling in stamina, shooting and movement off the ball. Also his energy and willingness to run is excellent.

He's not a great player, he's a decent one... but certainly isn't as bad as what the dickheads in this thread have made him out to be.

As for you thinking Lampards "top class" thats just laughable. Lampards a good player playing to his strengths in a team with alot of excellent players.

Lampards not better than the likes of Cahill, Barton, Osman, Bullard... Not a bad player, but nothing like what he's made out to be.

Anyone who says Riiise is goood enough for Liverpool have different expectations then me.   If I want to see our left back hooof the ball up the field or more often than out into the satnds, then ill go to buckley hill to watch sunday league.

He is, and has been rubbish for along time.  Rubbish is harsh cause he would probably walk into most mid table premiership teams.  Hes been the weakest link for a long time.  An as for them people who say hes got good energy levels, me lets go down the local cross country club and get them signed up.

Also if you dont think Lampard is class I think you must be watching a totally different player than me.  Gerrards better of course but that goes without saying as hes ours.

Riise is no worse than Finnan.

Finnan isn't as quick as Riise or as strong or aggressive. He's also not as good at winning headers, not as athletic and not as positive as Riise.

While Finnan is consistent he's never going to do something in a match that will win you a game. Riise has done on many occassions.

As for Lampard being class You're watching a different player to everyone else who has a clue about the game.

You're watching the overhyped player who is everywhere an wins every tackle and play makes all game long and completely bosses games against good sides and scores all these marvelous non deflected goals.

I watch the one who always shoots when theres a pass on to someone in a better position, i watch the one who tried to tackle Zidane and Vieira and fell on his , I watch the one who gets completely outplayed by Gerrard, Alonso, Scholes, Carrick, Barton, Sissoko and even Zenden. Also the one who positionally struggles against players with intelligence. I watch the one who is very average physically and poor defensively...

What a player.

crazyhorse wrote:Risse is a decent player and worthy of his place in the squad, his goal tally for a left back is very good. However he is not great when it comes to defending...

STR_18+5 wrote:

murphy0151 wrote:

STR_18 wrote:

aCe' wrote:

Crouchamania wrote:The thing about Riise is no matter what his form is like all he has 2 do is score 1 of his specials and he'll be a fan favourite again 4 a while. Lampard scores a lot of long range goals (ok granted many of them free kicks) and we call him overrated (rightly so as well) but is Riise any different? My point is apart from his fierce shot what does he have?

well... besides his long range efforts....riise doesnt have much going for him ! his defensive game improved alot in recent years but is still some way short of what is expected at this level . His crossing is below par to say the least and to me, his creativity while on the ball is what has let him down the most... compare Riise while on the ball to A.Cole or P.Evra or R.Carlos or Zambrotta to see what i mean.

And Lampard is a great footballer imo !
top level creativity and vision while on the ball.
His shooting from long range is absolutely brilliant... his technique on the shot is what is so good about his shots..
quite honestly... his shooting is only one of many great attributes of his ! top class footballer !

Riise's a good player.

He's decent to good at everything excelling in stamina, shooting and movement off the ball. Also his energy and willingness to run is excellent.

He's not a great player, he's a decent one... but certainly isn't as bad as what the dickheads in this thread have made him out to be.

As for you thinking Lampards "top class" thats just laughable. Lampards a good player playing to his strengths in a team with alot of excellent players.

Lampards not better than the likes of Cahill, Barton, Osman, Bullard... Not a bad player, but nothing like what he's made out to be.

Anyone who says Riiise is goood enough for Liverpool have different expectations then me.   If I want to see our left back hooof the ball up the field or more often than out into the satnds, then ill go to buckley hill to watch sunday league.

He is, and has been rubbish for along time.  Rubbish is harsh cause he would probably walk into most mid table premiership teams.  Hes been the weakest link for a long time.  An as for them people who say hes got good energy levels, me lets go down the local cross country club and get them signed up.

Also if you dont think Lampard is class I think you must be watching a totally different player than me.  Gerrards better of course but that goes without saying as hes ours.

Riise is no worse than Finnan.

Finnan isn't as quick as Riise or as strong or aggressive. He's also not as good at winning headers, not as athletic and not as positive as Riise.

While Finnan is consistent he's never going to do something in a match that will win you a game. Riise has done on many occassions.

As for Lampard being class You're watching a different player to everyone else who has a clue about the game.

You're watching the overhyped player who is everywhere an wins every tackle and play makes all game long and completely bosses games against good sides and scores all these marvelous non deflected goals.

I watch the one who always shoots when theres a pass on to someone in a better position, i watch the one who tried to tackle Zidane and Vieira and fell on his , I watch the one who gets completely outplayed by Gerrard, Alonso, Scholes, Carrick, Barton, Sissoko and even Zenden. Also the one who positionally struggles against players with intelligence. I watch the one who is very average physically and poor defensively...

What a player.

   

you are clueless and talk a whole lot of SHiiit !

murphy0151 wrote:Got to be the first time ive ever agreed with you.

An str to compare Lampard with Jimmy Bullard just about somes your footballing knowledge.

aCe' wrote:

ConnO'var wrote:

murphy0151 wrote:Got to be the first time ive ever agreed with you.

An str to compare Lampard with Jimmy Bullard just about somes your footballing knowledge.

Sorry mate but I disagree with you...... Lampard is nowhere near as good as the press make him out to be. As an attacking midfielder, the one thing about him that really sticks out is his excellent goalscoring record. He's not horrible but certainly not as good as you make him out to be. His positional play is ok but his tackling, vision and intelligence leaves much to be desired. Frequently, he takes the wrong option electing to shoot rather than pass the ball to a teamate in a better position. Playing in a team with the luxury of 2 brilliant defensive midfielders in Essien and Makelele, his shortfalls aren't so apparent... but in any other team, he'll struggle to do as well. He's not the complete midfielder... only an above average attacking midfielder.... one who cannot flourish in most other top teams as he's a luxury most cannot afford.... For most everyone else, an attacking midfielder who cannot defend is only worth the risk when their attacking falir and capacity far outweighs the risk of having a non-defending player..... the likes of Ronaldinho, Deco spring to mind when  such players are discussed.

As for Riise, he's definitely the weakest link in our defense imo... However, he'll still walk into most premiership 1st teams without any problem. Definitely worthy of wearing the red shirt.... He may not be world or even top class but to be honest how many left backs in the world can stake a claim to be either.... you could probably count them with one hand..... Zambrotta, A. Cole, Gallas, Heinze, R Carlos and Maldini in their heyday and that's about it.... Just because 3 of the better leftbacks in the world play in the premiership doesn't mean that Riise is sh!te.... he's just not as good as them but definitely a good squad player for us..... yes, he can make mistakes but he's also won games for us.... How many other leftbacks in the premiership can lay claim to that? Besides, who do you think we should get that would be better than him without costing crazy money? Pompey's Taylor? But then again.... he's only good for scoring wonder goals isn't he? His defending's not too hot is it? Hmmmm... sounds like a player we already have..... Don't knock the lad..... he gives his all every time he's on the pitch.... He's earned the right to wear the red of liverpool....

have to disagree with the lampard bit.

I think lampard is a world class player, and anyone who thinks otherwise is mistaken.
In your post, you play out the fact of him playing in chelsea as the main reason of him shining... i see it in a different way ; he plays for chelsea because he shines when he does !
i personally dont like the guy, never did and probably never will. Still, have to admit that he is pretty dammn good in wat he does.

You said he lacks vision and intelligence ? really dont know where that is coming from but from what i see of him... he doesnt seem to lack any of the above mentioned.
His tackling is poor in comparison, but to whom exactly are we comparing ?! other attacking midfielders like Aimar, Kaka and Zidane come to mind ! all of a sudden, for a player in his position, his tackling seems pretty daamn good !
His technique on the ball is phenomenal, his positioning is phenomenal , he takes a great shot, his runs through midfield are brilliant...really cant see why anyone wouldnt regard him as a great footballer.

You cannot compare him to Gerrard ofcourse, Gerrard is something else afterall !

As for riise, you seem to agree with him being a weak link in our side.. he doesnt bring as much to the team as he should and that to me is why he needs to be replaced...
you mentioned: Heinze(man utd) A.Cole (chelsea) and Gallas (Arsenal) as leftbacks who are way better than riise... if we are to win the league.... we need to start playing some players with higher quality ! that is the only reason we arent winning the league imo. QUALITY. we lack players with quality of Lampard and A.Cole...
I never questioned the fact that he gives 100% when he plays... but in all seriousness, is that enough ?! does the work rate, ambition and determination of a player guarantee him that first team slot ?! hell no if you ask me !

Who do i think we should get:

Lahm (bayern)
emanuelson (ajax)
Chivu (roma)
A.Lopez (A.Madrid)