Liverpool FC Forum

by **Ciggy** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:21 am

When I heard we where getting taken over by a rich Arab, but now its sunk in I dont think I really want it.
I dont know what its going to be like its a drastic change for my local club its a change Im not sure I want.

We have always been a family run club, and if DIC take over thats is going to be a thing of the past.

I am very proud of my club the way its been run, we have won more than anyone in England being a traditional club,
you feel part of the family.
When these investors take over will that all change?

And how will it change?
There will be more pressure on Rafa look at Pardew.
These wont have the fans best interest at heart either, they will want to make more and more money a.s.a.p.

What about the new stadium with new owners Anfield gone only a memory in our minds it will never be replicated never.
The famous European nights will be a thing of the past, it wont happen at the new ground.

Where will we be 10 years down the line?
What if the new owners sell us to some feckin no mark.
Its all ifs and buts, but you have to remember one thing LFC is the most special club in the world and Anfield is our home.
People far and wide know about it and its traditions.

Its going to be a sad sad day when them bulldozers are knocking it down, some people say Anfield died when the old Kop got seated, maybe part of it did.
But them nights against Juve and Chelsea in the CL resurrected it and no ther club can say they have witnessed that noise that joy that passion.

People have slammed David Moores in the past but for a poor millionair he has been very generous to us, he stays in the background and lets managers do their jobs.
He gives them transfer money not on Chelsea's scale but we have spent a lot over the years and if you add it up, its not that much behind the likes of Man United's spending power.
Only difference is they bought one player for thirty million we bought 4 of some wernt good enough.

So now Ive had a good long hard think about it, I dont really like the idea of the club changing hands.
I know we need a new stadium, and more money for better players.
But given the choice I prefer to stay as we are If I am being honest.

Being a scouser that club means the world to me, if we are taken over I feel we will just be another club.
And all we will have are memories of what used to be.

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:35 am

i would rather stay at anfiield and expand the ground than move. but in relation to the takeover, i dont think its a bad thing cigs. the guy is very shrewd, he is not an idiot like roman and he does want returns on his investment. we wont be in debt to be fair with this guy and if he keeps moores on the board then hopefully things wont go wrong.

by **66-1112520797** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:20 am

I'm unsure to, but football has changed rapidly and recently and Chelsea were responsible for the change of face. We've been left in their wake and instead of falling further behind we've had to jump on the finacial rollercoaster. Its a massive thing in Liverpool history this finacial transition, and who knows what the future will bring. I can see all top flight clubs eventually being brought out, to keep up with this new era in football.

by **Redman in wales** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:39 am

we all share your reservations ciggs.

its that age old thing of the heart not wanting it but the head saying it has to be.

None of us know the extent of the takeover, i mean what impact the takeover will have. how much they will be involved, timescales for possible investment returns, reselling etc

But we do know Parry/Moores have been involved in looking for a buyer/investor for years now. We know that they do have the clubs interests at heart and I trust their judgement that they have not only chosen someone who will put money into the club, but someone who will keep the traditions of Liverpool Football Club alive. They said no to so many people, some of whome (*cough, morgan, cough*) more than once

You have looked at it fairly pesimistically above so heres the optomistic version:
You said:
And how will it change?
There will be more pressure on Rafa look at Pardew.
These wont have the fans best interest at heart either, they will want to make more and more money a.s.a.p.

I dont think there will be any more pressure on Rafa than there already is. There will always be huge pressure on liverpool, arsenal, utd and chelsea to win the league and the cups. Pardew was an exception - he had lost 14 out of his last 18 matches - any manager with that record would be under scrutiny - and i've seen them get sacked for less than that.

More money and asap is not likely. They are wise businessmen who know this is long term. They are not stupid. Utd became the worlds richest club in the mid 90's and stayed there for 7years - but it took time for them to get there. DIC know that. They dont expect immeadiate results. They know they have to wait for 65000 bums on seats before they get a good revenue from a stadium, they know you need to build a team and allow them to gel before winning the league. They know that they will still be here in 10years - otherwise they wouldn't see any return.

What about the new stadium with new owners Anfield gone only a memory in our minds it will never be replicated never.
The famous European nights will be a thing of the past, it wont happen at the new ground.

Unfortunately i agree with you here. anfield is sacred. but we cannot build on anfield. utd, arsenal, man city have huge revenues from filling 50/60/70 thousand seater stadiums and we need to keep up. Man city moved from Maine road, heartbrakingly for them, but successfully, and enjoy a great atmosphere there. Arsenal are not quite used to their ground yet - but given time to settle in they will make it theirs.

Anfield and its history eclips all other grounds and is more sacred than most. but takeover or not, it had to happen. - Can you belive that we were actually thinking about groundsharing with the bitters as a serious option??

Moores has been good to us. and we thank him for it. we now need to trust that the people he has chosen to takeover the club are the right people. The people who will respect us as a football club and respect the traditions we hold so dear.
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It is a time of uncertainty for all of us. Not one of us really knows how this will turn out. But we have to have faith in Parry and Moores to be taking us down the right path and with the right people in this takeover bid.

We hope this will make Liverpool Football Club stronger, and bring back the glory days we once enjoyed. Lets try and think positively about it. Just like we do when we play utd or chelsea away. Somewhere in the back of our minds - we know we could lose - but we dont think about that. We just think about winning, about the positive side of the game. We will our team to do well. And thats what we have to do here. Even though - in the back of our mind, we have worries and doubts - we need to show the new owners what this club is about, and why we are the greatest football club in history.

YNWA

by **welsh wizzard** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:45 am

Redman in wales wrote:we all share your reservations ciggs.

its that age old thing of the heart not wanting it but the head saying it has to be.

None of us know the extent of the takeover, i mean what impact the takeover will have. how much they will be involved, timescales for possible investment returns, reselling etc

But we do know Parry/Moores have been involved in looking for a buyer/investor for years now. We know that they do have the clubs interests at heart and I trust their judgement that they have not only chosen someone who will put money into the club, but someone who will keep the traditions of Liverpool Football Club alive. They said no to so many people, some of whome (*cough, morgan, cough*) more than once

You have looked at it fairly pesimistically above so heres the optomistic version:
You said:
And how will it change?
There will be more pressure on Rafa look at Pardew.
These wont have the fans best interest at heart either, they will want to make more and more money a.s.a.p.

I dont think there will be any more pressure on Rafa than there already is. There will always be huge pressure on liverpool, arsenal, utd and chelsea to win the league and the cups. Pardew was an exception - he had lost 14 out of his last 18 matches - any manager with that record would be under scrutiny - and i've seen them get sacked for less than that.

More money and asap is not likely. They are wise businessmen who know this is long term. They are not stupid. Utd became the worlds richest club in the mid 90's and stayed there for 7years - but it took time for them to get there. DIC know that. They dont expect immeadiate results. They know they have to wait for 65000 bums on seats before they get a good revenue from a stadium, they know you need to build a team and allow them to gel before winning the league. They know that they will still be here in 10years - otherwise they wouldn't see any return.

What about the new stadium with new owners Anfield gone only a memory in our minds it will never be replicated never.
The famous European nights will be a thing of the past, it wont happen at the new ground.

Unfortunately i agree with you here. anfield is sacred. but we cannot build on anfield. utd, arsenal, man city have huge revenues from filling 50/60/70 thousand seater stadiums and we need to keep up. Man city moved from Maine road, heartbrakingly for them, but successfully, and enjoy a great atmosphere there. Arsenal are not quite used to their ground yet - but given time to settle in they will make it theirs.

Anfield and its history eclips all other grounds and is more sacred than most. but takeover or not, it had to happen. - Can you belive that we were actually thinking about groundsharing with the bitters as a serious option??

Moores has been good to us. and we thank him for it. we now need to trust that the people he has chosen to takeover the club are the right people. The people who will respect us as a football club and respect the traditions we hold so dear.
-----------------
-----------------

It is a time of uncertainty for all of us. Not one of us really knows how this will turn out. But we have to have faith in Parry and Moores to be taking us down the right path and with the right people in this takeover bid.

We hope this will make Liverpool Football Club stronger, and bring back the glory days we once enjoyed. Lets try and think positively about it. Just like we do when we play utd or chelsea away. Somewhere in the back of our minds - we know we could lose - but we dont think about that. We just think about winning, about the positive side of the game. We will our team to do well. And thats what we have to do here. Even though - in the back of our mind, we have worries and doubts - we need to show the new owners what this club is about, and why we are the greatest football club in history.

YNWA

Spot on with that post Redman mate. :bowdown

by **NiftyNeil** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:37 pm

12 months ago, I would of said a big fat no to a foreign takeover. But now, times are changing and it's a case of keeping up with the jones'.

by **Ciggy** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:45 pm

Top post red man in Wales

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:16 pm

like everyone, i would have loved to see us stay as a family club and win the league without the need for a sugar daddy.

But, realistically, we cannot afford our new ground and we cannot afford to compete with the top clubs for transfers. We're in a situation that's not too dissimilar from Arsenal. We have money but not enough to stabilise the club AND improve our on field players to a world-class level. Arsenal have borrowed a LOT of money to built their new ground, and that had an affect on their transfer policy. They simply cannot afford to splash out 10s of millions on new player now they dont have the money and if they were to fail to qualify for the champions league, things would get even tighter.

I dont want to be owned by a Johnny foreigner anymore than the next man (or woman), but this takeover is different from all the others in a big waythere will be no money borrowed to buy our club.

Man Utd are in 700 million worth of deb..West ham 150 million..even Chavski owe their chairman 100 million, thus guaranteeing him a large amount of money should his assets be frozen or taken away.

Our proposed new owners (as far as I understand) wish to BUY Liverpool with THEIR OWN MONEYand thats a reason for optimism.

by **redmikey** » Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:16 pm

this tread is how i am feeling about it , fear of the unknown sums it up for me

as far as anfield goes, imho it has died since the kop was seated and even on european night the air is still packed with magic it is still not the same

it is like calibur it looks similar but in the back of your mind you know it's not stella

these arabs will want to be the best in the world which i am praying that they turn us back into

without investment we will soon start looking down instead of up which would be the start of the end for our great club, we need to move anfield has served us well but it is time for the next generation and we are at the start which i am chuffed to bits about

will i miss anfield .... yes but not the anfield of now but of 1990 to 1995

great post cig and redman

by **RJONES** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:37 am

it would b nice 2 go out an buy players without thinkin of the finicial side of it take pennant he was 3rd choice 4 us at the right price as 4 the new ground i no its needed but this is anfield it will b missed nowhere genarates a better atmosphere.

by **Red Red Tom** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:15 am

I don't think it's Anfield that generates the atmosphere - I think it's the fans, the same fans that will be at the new ground. The proof? Istanbul...

by **The Manhattan Project** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:00 am

The takeover is necessary because of the changing nature of the game.

You want titles? You have to find a rich owner.

I don't think the switch from Anfield to the new place will harm anything. The fans will relocate and make it just as special. Also Liverpool's club image and culture is one of it's selling points that would attract investors. If the new owners are wise, then they won't mess that up.

by **Bad Bob** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:52 pm

Top post, Ciggy. Things will necessarily change at the club and that will be a shock to all of our systems but especially to the Scousers who have such an intimate, familial connection with the club, the stadium and with the traditions. My hope is that the positives outweigh the negatives with this investment and that the family feel of Liverpool Football Club is preserved and developed in a new fashion. I'm desperate to see us back at the top of the English game but not at the expense of the club's soul. For what it's worth, I think that this takeover is the best opportunity there has been in years for us to move forward financially and compete with the other big clubs while still retaining the special feeling that makes Liverpool Football Club the greatest family in the game. I share your reservations, Ciggs, but I'm optimistic enough to hope that, with the help of die-hard fans like yourself, the club can take an important step forward financially while still holding on to the traditions that make it unique in the game. The time has come to forge new traditions that honour and build on the past but which keep us on our rightful "perch" at the pinnacle of English football. Walk on...

by **hawkmoon269** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:00 am

The Daily Telegraph have just posted an article which suggests that it would be a VERY VERY bad idea if DIC took over control:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport....v27.xml

by **Ronny** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:39 pm

I've spoken to several Liverpool supporters since the news came out and the opinions are divided. Some want investment and to blow millions on players (I can't see your manager doing that) and you have some that have accept it what the Liverpool needs in order to compete long term with your rivals, which will be good for the game. You have others who are very conservative minded and want things to be won the Bill Shankly way, The Liverpool way and don't want Moores to step down.

I would like to add my sixth pence to the debate, I think it's a bloody good thing, Liverpool are a club that should be strongly challenging for the League every season and trophies like the Champions League, you shouldn't be anywhere near fourth place or even second place, it's quite bad for your club and the English game that Liverpool aren't challenging for the major honours.

Investment is a must have sadly; your current chairman's pound simply doesn't stretch far enough. You need to market yourself (you should have done this about fourteen years ago) and you need a larger stadium to generate more revenue to help you support yourselves and support your large aspirations that your clubs holds.

Liverpool no longer generate enough money by doing things "the Liverpool way", it reminds me of the old British Labour party who supported working class people working in industry and their doctrine clause four. It worked for a length of time and then ran its course. The same thing has happened with Liverpool, the days when you could trophies on the back of a few thousand is finished.

I wouldn't worry about becoming Chelsea, because the consortium want to make a profit from Liverpool, Ambramovich is the opposite he wants to spend excess money that's he's made from interest and one way to do that is to sign players like Shevchenko and Drogba for expensive prices. This Dubai based government want to make Liverpool self sufficient, so they make money from the club and the club makes money from it's revenue, so you can afford players like Alves. The fact that they still want Moores and Parry to stay on shows that they understand the club and what it means to you the fans, Ambramovich didn't understand the Chelsea way, but then Chelsea for years wanted to be top of the pile, like every fan, hell I want my team to win the Champions League.

As for the Liverpool way, times have changed, the ideology which dominates Liverpool is outdated, it's not finished by any means, everyone needs to remember the past, but you lot with no disrespect live in the past. You don't need to, the fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties are in the past, by all means remember them, but don't live in the past, you need to think about the future. Even the great Bill Shankly would acknowledge that football is forever changing, but the principles remain, the Liverpool way will always be with you LFC fans, but it's evolved and changed and a lot of Liverpool fans thinking on such issues need to change.

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