Rafael benitez and the chicargo bulls

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Postby 5 stars » Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:16 am

I believe that there are a lot of parallels between what is Rafa has done with us, and what Phil Jackson has done with the Chicago Bulls. 

Rafa tactic's if you like, are based around playing in a formation that best brings out an indviduals qualities. He always talks about players interms what they can do for the team. He is big on the word "team", with saying like "I always say it's like having a table with three legs and you need to get the other one to fit properly".

It's interesting that Rafa has been a very good chess player since he was a child,  ever since he was young he has seemed to have an eye tactics and strategy. Chess strategy is about how to set and achieve long-term goals during the game, e.g. where to place different pieces, while tactics concentrates on immediate manoeuvres. It's comparable to using the wing as a starting point from where Gerrard can seek out space behind the strikers, so he can receive the ball in dangerous areas.

He sees his players as cogs in a machine, he moves his players if they are chess pieces. 

Phil Jackson used a system called Triangle offence or also known as Triple-post offence, it motion offence created by legendary University of Southern California coach Sam Barry in the 1940s. The Chicago Bulls enjoyed great success using triangle offence, winning six championships in the 1900s.

In triangle offence players must recognize mismatches of size and/or quickness between the offensive player and the defensive player. It was designed to bring out the best skills and talents of an individual player within the framework of a team offence. Essentially, the main philosophy behind the offence is to pursue the path of least resistance.  It is as much of tactic, but rather an offensive strategy. Here's a link if you're interested;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_offense

Rafa may not have used Triangle Offence like Phil Jackson did with the Chicago Bulls, but a lot of his ideas and aspects to play are very similar to it. You often will often hear Rafa talking about players in terms of their best qualities and what they can offer the team. Crouch is a good example, you will often hear him talking about how important he is to our team, because of his ability to hold up the ball and bring others into play.

As you said, the same as what he has done with Steven Gerrard and the role that he plays within the team. He seems to have identified his best qualities, and used them within the framework of the teams attacking play. Which is very similar to Triangle Offence, it's designed to bring out the best skills and talents of an individual player within the framework of a team offence.

Considering that he hasn't significant amounts of money to spend in the transfer market, he has been able to build a very good squad. We are a lot more organised, this is especially true with our defence.

We are at that stage that we only need 2-3 world-class players, because he has created a very good squad and has a framework in place, hopefully this means that Rafa really knows what he needs. Hopefully this takeover bid by DIC will go through, it be very interesting to see what Rafa will do if given some serious money.
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Postby LFC #1 » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:20 am

Interesting comparison, not sure I agree with all of it as they are quite different sports. That being said if we could turn out to be as successful as the Bulls team of the 90's I'll be very happy!
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Postby Paul C » Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:45 pm

Interesting post mate but I don't really see to much of a comparision between Phil and Rafa, I see Rafa as more of a Jerry Sloan person really.

Tony Kukoc, MJ, Steve Kerr and Scottie Pippen do remind me of Gerrard, Alonso, Momo and Carra :D
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Postby Sabre » Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:28 am

Ha. Interesting. Perhaps he learnt the rotation concept from Basket too  :)

But the zonal defence of Rafa doesn't fit well with the individual defending the NBA likes to play.

TO be honest I think the post is good, with good points, but the comparisons are bad. It's always nice to remember a great basketball team, though.

Chess is a much simpler game than football. It's that simple that you can program a decent player with a dumb machine like a computer. You only have to predict all the possible moves, make a tree, and cut the branches that had a bad score. The deeper you compute, the deeper the player is.

Football is much more complicated, that's why we always take our favourite team in a computer game and promote it from the Conference South to winning the champions league. :D

Anyhow, there are several good points in the post ;)
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Postby Espionage » Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:51 am

5 stars wrote:I believe that there are a lot of parallels between what is Rafa has done with us, and what Phil Jackson has done with the Chicago Bulls. 

Rafa tactic's if you like, are based around playing in a formation that best brings out an indviduals qualities. He always talks about players interms what they can do for the team. He is big on the word "team", with saying like "I always say it's like having a table with three legs and you need to get the other one to fit properly".

It's interesting that Rafa has been a very good chess player since he was a child,  ever since he was young he has seemed to have an eye tactics and strategy. Chess strategy is about how to set and achieve long-term goals during the game, e.g. where to place different pieces, while tactics concentrates on immediate manoeuvres. It's comparable to using the wing as a starting point from where Gerrard can seek out space behind the strikers, so he can receive the ball in dangerous areas.

He sees his players as cogs in a machine, he moves his players if they are chess pieces. 

Phil Jackson used a system called Triangle offence or also known as Triple-post offence, it motion offence created by legendary University of Southern California coach Sam Barry in the 1940s. The Chicago Bulls enjoyed great success using triangle offence, winning six championships in the 1900s.

In triangle offence players must recognize mismatches of size and/or quickness between the offensive player and the defensive player. It was designed to bring out the best skills and talents of an individual player within the framework of a team offence. Essentially, the main philosophy behind the offence is to pursue the path of least resistance.  It is as much of tactic, but rather an offensive strategy. Here's a link if you're interested;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_offense

Rafa may not have used Triangle Offence like Phil Jackson did with the Chicago Bulls, but a lot of his ideas and aspects to play are very similar to it. You often will often hear Rafa talking about players in terms of their best qualities and what they can offer the team. Crouch is a good example, you will often hear him talking about how important he is to our team, because of his ability to hold up the ball and bring others into play.

As you said, the same as what he has done with Steven Gerrard and the role that he plays within the team. He seems to have identified his best qualities, and used them within the framework of the teams attacking play. Which is very similar to Triangle Offence, it's designed to bring out the best skills and talents of an individual player within the framework of a team offence.

Considering that he hasn't significant amounts of money to spend in the transfer market, he has been able to build a very good squad. We are a lot more organised, this is especially true with our defence.

We are at that stage that we only need 2-3 world-class players, because he has created a very good squad and has a framework in place, hopefully this means that Rafa really knows what he needs. Hopefully this takeover bid by DIC will go through, it be very interesting to see what Rafa will do if given some serious money.

WTF............ I posted similarities between Rafa and Phil Jackson and their approach to their respective games in a thread ages ago.  I even sourced Wiki.............

I tried to find the thread but failed.

Bizzare....???


p.s.  I agree with you
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Postby RedBlood » Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:16 am

ofcourse you did mate :p
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