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Postby maximus » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:38 pm

Just suppose this takeover does go through, and we do buy a couple of world class players and we do win the league for the first ime in 15/16 years, how will the football world view that success.............on a par with Chelsea?? ie could only win the league with a sugar daddy investor, just a thought   ???

There are people on these boards, proclaiming we will win the league for the next ten years, we will be unstoppable e.t.c. however these are the same people slagging Chelsea off for doing the same sort of thing..........once again just a thought    ???
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Postby account deleted by request » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:50 pm

At best the investment will only put us on a level footing with Chelsea and the mancs, the problem will be for the other EPL teams, as the gap between the have's and have nots is going to be impossible to bridge. Arsenal are going to be under enormous pressure now ,and if they crack and dont get a CL place for a couple of seasons they will be joining the havenots. Especially with Villa and Portsmouth getting a bit of cash as well.
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Postby Anfield rapper » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:54 pm

maximus wrote:Just suppose this takeover does go through, and we do buy a couple of world class players and we do win the league for the first ime in 15/16 years, how will the football world view that success.............on a par with Chelsea?? ie could only win the league with a sugar daddy investor, just a thought   ???

There are people on these boards, proclaiming we will win the league for the next ten years, we will be unstoppable e.t.c. however these are the same people slagging Chelsea off for doing the same sort of thing..........once again just a thought    ???

I just think that this whole situation has been created by Chelsea, buying players just so nobody else can get them and picing people out of the market. Last year Rafa was interested in buying Simao, so what does maureen do? He offers them another £10m for him, Benfica then either want to keep him or sell him for the price that Chelsea anounced. So basically they won't talk to anyone apart from Chelsea. How can any other team compete with that. The only way keep this club near the top now is through investment so that when we go looking for players we can compete with the top teams.
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Postby LFC #1 » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:12 pm

I am both excited and a little worried at the same time about this deal. As Maximus mentioned their is a little bit of hypocrisy from a few on here I feel, who on the one hand criticise Chelsea for what they are doing but at the same time would be happy for us to do the same thing as long as we win the league, European Cup etc.

I don't want us to sell our soul, turn into a PLC instead of a FOOTBALL CLUB and all the rest of it, thats the precisely the things whch makes Liverpool FC such a special club and differs us from the likes of Chelsea and Manchester United PLC.

The positives are of course that this investment will allow us to build the new stadium we need and give Rafa the sort of budget which a manager of his ability shoudl be able to turn us into the best team in England and even Europe once again. Another positive is that Moores (unlike other chairman) is quite conservative and would never sell the club to someone who was going to turn us into a brand name first and a Football Club second. Moore has avioded deals for years and I'm confident himself and Parry are making sure this Dubai based consortium underastnads what this club is about. It would be nice to see Parry and many other board members stay on even if Moores is going. 

It's exciting times but at the same time I am still a little worried about us going down the road of Man Utd who are merely a brand name and not a football club, Chelsea are going the same way. I don't want that to happen, I don't want our club to attract the sort of sh!te fans Chelsea have, or to start charging exorbitant ticket prices so only the prawn sandwich brigade can afford to go see us play.

We are a special football club, hopefully this investment can help us become the cream of the crop once again, but if it goes the other way it will be a very very sad day and I think a lot of real fans will start questioning their love for this club.
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Postby tubby » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:43 pm

Did anyone read the mirror today?

Abramovich - 9bN - DIC - 15bn

It will be interesting to see how Rafa gets on in the transer market as we all know how shrewd he can be when it comes to clubs outpricing players as I dont think hes ever been at a club where this kind of cash has been made available.

One thing is for sure though and that is clubs will most certainly up the prices of players like they do with Chelsea knowig full well how rich Mr Shiekh is :D

First signings though should be Aaron Lennon, Daniel Alves and David Villa. And maybe even Carlos Teves. :D
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Postby tubby » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:47 pm

From the Guardian

"The potential new owners are said to be happy with the management of Rafael Benitez, and he is expected to be given more money to spend than any other manager in the club's history"
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Postby thegreedo » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:57 pm

I have to say this news excites me! I'm pretty sure the investment company are looking at the "brand" they are acquiring as the key to this move. We are second only to the scum in terms of our profile in this country and are among the most respected clubs in world football. The Mactoum's are winners in every sense in the world of commerce and this venture will probably be conducted with the same vigour passion and most importantly success that they have shown with godolphin in the racing world. Can you really see these guys wanting to finish 2nd?

I know an element of this smacks of hypocrisy but unfortunately big investment is the only way to stay at the top in modern football and if we have to sell a tiny piece of our soul to keep Liverpool FC where it belongs at the top table of football, so be it! We didn't ask for this, Chavski started all this nonsense, but we must do what we have to to stay with the leading pack. I just hope that the "feet on the ground" nature of the region that is our home and our fantastic fans can make the moneymen realise Liverpool is a very proud and traditional club and we will resist any move too far from those roots. We must also remember, unlike the scum, these guys don't have to put the club in hock up to its eyeballs to invest! Who knows, this could be the start of some great times!
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Postby thegreedo » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:01 pm

Mr Henry has always maintained the only other club he could play for would be us, it was never a financial possibility before, now, ?????
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Postby stmichael » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:11 pm

If there is loads of cash then personally I'd like to see it spent on making sure our new stadium is absolutely tip-top. This will ensure the possibility of a long term future for the club based mainly on match-day income, as the Mancs have always had and will mean that any future break-up with our new owners will not leave us destitute.

I'm as-yet undecided as to whether billionaires owning sports-teams is the way of the future or simply a bubble that will ultimately burst, whether because of mass outcry by the viewing public or some external economic pressure. Whatever the way I want to make sure that our club is protected against the very worst case.

While the Stanley-Park project has likely gone too far to be completely overhauled, and while planning permission for anything larger etc would be nigh-on impossible to achieve, in an ideal world I would like the new investors to run a full review of whether it was still our best option all round considering our new-found wealth. The project was conceived under the shackles of severe financial constraint, we may be able to do better without that burden, e.g. personally I think we could fill a 70K stadium every week and so long as we don't have to take on extra debt to achieve that then why not push for it?

It seems that Dubai holdings is a business venture and not simply a money-pump. Because of that I am optimistic that the owners will be looking to secure a credible long-term revenue stream from any initial investment so fingers crossed.
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Postby Red @ Heart » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:12 pm

Although this is good news that we have a billionair interested in the club, But i dont want (personally) The manager going out and spending money the same way chelsea has, i want Liverpool to win the league and not buy it, Providing that the new investor gives the same amount that chelsea has been used to over tha last few years, i would like to see some good players come to liverpool of course but i dont want to see over the odds paid.
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:23 pm

stmichael wrote:While the Stanley-Park project has likely gone too far to be completely overhauled, and while planning permission for anything larger etc would be nigh-on impossible to achieve, in an ideal world I would like the new investors to run a full review of whether it was still our best option all round considering our new-found wealth. The project was conceived under the shackles of severe financial constraint, we may be able to do better without that burden, e.g. personally I think we could fill a 70K stadium every week and so long as we don't have to take on extra debt to achieve that then why not push for it?

We shoudl do what Arsenal have at the Emirates. build a 70-75 thousand capacity stadium and fill it with bigger seats and aisles so that whenever needed the capacity can be added to with no building work whatsoever, you just make the seats smaller.
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Postby Anfield rapper » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:30 pm

Just been looking this Sheikh Mohammed chap up on Wikipedia (Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum) and was slightly suprised by what i found.

"On 4th December 2006, through his Dubai International Capital (DIC) Investment Group, Sheikh Mohammed has engaged in takeover negotiations for Liverpool Football Club in a deal rumoured to be worth £479m. As an adjunct to this takeover, the Dubai International Capital Group have also initiated a bid to purchase Tranmere Rovers F.C. for £19.75m. DIC see Tranmere Rover's role as being a nursery club to Liverpool Football Club as Tranmere Rovers are also based in Liverpool but play in a lower division in English professional football."

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Postby woof woof ! » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:37 pm

bavlondon wrote:Did anyone read the mirror today?

Abramovich - 9bN - DIC - 15bn

It will be interesting to see how Rafa gets on in the transer market as we all know how shrewd he can be when it comes to clubs outpricing players as I dont think hes ever been at a club where this kind of cash has been made available.

One thing is for sure though and that is clubs will most certainly up the prices of players like they do with Chelsea knowig full well how rich Mr Shiekh is :D

First signings though should be Aaron Lennon, Daniel Alves and David Villa. And maybe even Carlos Teves. :D

Before we get carried away , Isn't the money Abramovich pumps into Chelsea part of his personal fortune ? ie he has no shareholders to be accountable too . DIC on the other hand are a subsidiary of a larger organisation and cannot spray money about like confetti . Sure , Rafa will be given a more than decent transfer kitty but it may not be as big as some of us are expecting .
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Postby Leonmc0708 » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:40 pm

Exatly woof.

People who think its gonna be like Championship Manager at Anfield are wrong.

There will be no need to sell befroe we buy if the deals goes through, and the future will be debt free, but anyone who expects to see £30m signings every other week i nthe transfer windows are very much mistaken.
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Postby Anfield rapper » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:23 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:Exatly woof.

People who think its gonna be like Championship Manager at Anfield are wrong.

There will be no need to sell befroe we buy if the deals goes through, and the future will be debt free, but anyone who expects to see £30m signings every other week i nthe transfer windows are very much mistaken.

You maybe right,  I personally wouldn't want us to be buying everyone. It will be DIC and not Sheikh Mohammed who own liverpool. But he is the head of DIC and the more i read about him, the more i'm starting to realise that he wants to be the biggest and best at whatever he gets involved with.



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