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Lando_Griffin wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

LittleHobo wrote:the problem for all these players is the ego

ballack and shevchenko both have a "big fish" ego, in their last teams they were the big fish, now all of a sudden they aint and they struggle to cope with this and find their place

same with pennant and bellamy, you can see that both men have egos to maintain, pennant was good at birmingham cause he was the star, he was the big fish............now all of a sudden he aint and hes struggling to cope with this mentally and find his own place

gonzalez is diffrent, south americans rarely settle instantly, we wont see the best of gonzo till the end of this season

Shevchenko is Sh*tski's best player by a country mile.

It's Moris' managerial incompetence that is the problem.

If he is thick enough to play the best striker of a generation "his way", then that's his look out.

One things for certain - if they were similar ages, and Sh*tski DID look at selling him, I'd swap him for Gerrard in a heartbeat.

Drogba is on form and is a better striker than Shevchenko at the moment, so how he can be a Chelsea's best player by a country mile beggers belief.
you'd swap Shevchenko for Gerrard even in his prime?
Me thinks your on a wind up or just having a bubble.

Shevchenko is pure class. He has never had a bad season previous to this in over 10 years at the top, he has never let his private life interfere with his performances, and he has never held a club to ransom.

Why is it that Gerrard is so untouchable? He's a top player (One of the top 5 midfielders in the World, IMHO), but Shevchenko is the top striker of his era.

Even Henry is poor in comparison. The only reason everyone cums in their pants over the Frenchman is because he plays in the Premiership.

Thierry has NEVER been near Sheva for ability - only pace. How many finals has the c*nt failed to deliver in? He's just a big-time bottler.
Gerrard DOESN'T bottle it in the big games, he just sulks for 3/4 of the season. He then hits a wonder goal to save us, and everyone says it's him that won the trophy for us.

Well folks - time for a reality check. Gerrard is brilliant. He's a fantastic footballer. But he will never be the best in the World until he gets off his high horse.
They say it was Gerrard's cup final. That, I can agree with.
They also say he "won us the Champions' League". - Utter bullsh*t. He scored a header that Dida thought was going wide. I could have saved it. He then throws his arms up to rouse the crowd, and we hear nothing from him for the rest of the game.

He was also on the pitch when we went 3-0 down, remember?

The 2 men responsible for our victory that night were Rafa and Hamann.

It's all very well saying "Rafa made a mistake by starting with Kewell" - hindsight, my friends. We're all wiser after the event.

I apreciate everything positive Gerrard has done on the pitch. I just want a balanced summary of the lad, is all.
(And before anyone thinks I'm backing a Sh*tski player - I'm not. I'm just telling it like it is.)

Bamaga man wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

LittleHobo wrote:the problem for all these players is the ego

ballack and shevchenko both have a "big fish" ego, in their last teams they were the big fish, now all of a sudden they aint and they struggle to cope with this and find their place

same with pennant and bellamy, you can see that both men have egos to maintain, pennant was good at birmingham cause he was the star, he was the big fish............now all of a sudden he aint and hes struggling to cope with this mentally and find his own place

gonzalez is diffrent, south americans rarely settle instantly, we wont see the best of gonzo till the end of this season

Shevchenko is Sh*tski's best player by a country mile.

It's Moris' managerial incompetence that is the problem.

If he is thick enough to play the best striker of a generation "his way", then that's his look out.

One things for certain - if they were similar ages, and Sh*tski DID look at selling him, I'd swap him for Gerrard in a heartbeat.

Drogba is on form and is a better striker than Shevchenko at the moment, so how he can be a Chelsea's best player by a country mile beggers belief.
you'd swap Shevchenko for Gerrard even in his prime?
Me thinks your on a wind up or just having a bubble.

Shevchenko is pure class. He has never had a bad season previous to this in over 10 years at the top, he has never let his private life interfere with his performances, and he has never held a club to ransom.

Why is it that Gerrard is so untouchable? He's a top player (One of the top 5 midfielders in the World, IMHO), but Shevchenko is the top striker of his era.

Even Henry is poor in comparison. The only reason everyone cums in their pants over the Frenchman is because he plays in the Premiership.

Thierry has NEVER been near Sheva for ability - only pace. How many finals has the c*nt failed to deliver in? He's just a big-time bottler.
Gerrard DOESN'T bottle it in the big games, he just sulks for 3/4 of the season. He then hits a wonder goal to save us, and everyone says it's him that won the trophy for us.

Well folks - time for a reality check. Gerrard is brilliant. He's a fantastic footballer. But he will never be the best in the World until he gets off his high horse.
They say it was Gerrard's cup final. That, I can agree with.
They also say he "won us the Champions' League". - Utter bullsh*t. He scored a header that Dida thought was going wide. I could have saved it. He then throws his arms up to rouse the crowd, and we hear nothing from him for the rest of the game.

He was also on the pitch when we went 3-0 down, remember?

The 2 men responsible for our victory that night were Rafa and Hamann.

It's all very well saying "Rafa made a mistake by starting with Kewell" - hindsight, my friends. We're all wiser after the event.

I apreciate everything positive Gerrard has done on the pitch. I just want a balanced summary of the lad, is all.
(And before anyone thinks I'm backing a Sh*tski player - I'm not. I'm just telling it like it is.)

Fair enough Lando.

But why is we either constantly talk Gerrard up (me) or constantly belittle him (you). Everytime you post something about him, its more to do with his personality than his footballing ability. Yes he may sulk at being shunted out wide, but not all proffessionals are robots and nod in agreement. I can honestly say I can see where he's coming from. Rafa talked about building a team around the Liverpool captain and I believe he would of intended to play Gerrard in themiddle more. But Momo has been brilliant since his arrival and our RM needed filling. As I saw it, same with Gerrard I suppose, I thought him filling the RM was a stop gap until someone new was brought in. Rafa IMO panicked in the transfer marker bought Pennant, who so far has failed to deliver, thus Gerrard goes back out wide. Now if I were Gerrard I'd be thinking the gaffa has let the team down with his purchase of Pennant who has been poor, and yet again I (gerrard) have been shunted out wide yet again when I prefer to play in CM. I agree that a manger has the final word and you should play bascily wherever he tells you, but does that mean you have to humanly be happy with it? Either way we are talking about him, what about the TEN other players on the field, his teamates who never reach the limits he can and usually more often than not look to him to drag us out of a hole. Is he really that bad a bloke? He was tempted by Chelsea a couple of summers back, he didnt know where the team were going and wants to win silverwear, he was contemplating the move for trophies........ but did he go, no, is he a traitor NO. He stayed and believed he could achieve that here with us, but this season he probably is thinking ' what if I'd a gone to the Chavs' on reflection of our performances .......... so what, its upto RAFA to help deliver the goods for us now, and in two words IMO if you want to look up traitor, spell out Michael Owen.

I understand your point mate, and credit to you for actually going into detail.

I think we must resign ourselves to agreeing to disagree on this, as I have an intense dislike of his overrall attitude.

I do understand his desire to play centrally, but the fact is he is better to himself and the team when he plays as a roaming right midfielder.

I suppose I just support the "You play where you are told - we are Liverpool" mentality, where the club is a machine, and the players simply parts OF that machine.

What rankles me quite a bit, is that Gerrard is in danger of being remembered for his mentality, rather than his ability. If only he would knuckle down and be the player he is capable of being, rather than nit-picking about his position, salary, and teammates.

On the Pennant issue, I do believe Gerrard actually persuaded Rafa to take a gamble of him. I could well be wrong, but I seem to remember reading that somewhere.

I have to make it clear, though, that I DO appreciate his contributions to this club, and the times he's pulled us out of a quagmire. It just bothers me that he could be twice as good if he actually applied himself throughout a season.


And Owen!?! Don't get me started on that little b*stard!   

*_*.SEX.*_* wrote:Why can't Pennant make a cross into the box?
Why does he smell like a rat?

Why did Liverpool overestimate the quality of their new wingers?

*cough* Gonzalez
*cough* Pennant

Hmmm...

Veron - £28.1m,
Carrick - £18m,
Ferdinand £30m,
Djemba Djemba,
Taibi,
Smith,
Howard,
Fortune,
Evra,
Silvestre, etc, etc, etc.

Those in glass houses... 

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

LittleHobo wrote:the problem for all these players is the ego

ballack and shevchenko both have a "big fish" ego, in their last teams they were the big fish, now all of a sudden they aint and they struggle to cope with this and find their place

same with pennant and bellamy, you can see that both men have egos to maintain, pennant was good at birmingham cause he was the star, he was the big fish............now all of a sudden he aint and hes struggling to cope with this mentally and find his own place

gonzalez is diffrent, south americans rarely settle instantly, we wont see the best of gonzo till the end of this season

Shevchenko is Sh*tski's best player by a country mile.

It's Moris' managerial incompetence that is the problem.

If he is thick enough to play the best striker of a generation "his way", then that's his look out.

One things for certain - if they were similar ages, and Sh*tski DID look at selling him, I'd swap him for Gerrard in a heartbeat.

Drogba is on form and is a better striker than Shevchenko at the moment, so how he can be a Chelsea's best player by a country mile beggers belief.
you'd swap Shevchenko for Gerrard even in his prime?
Me thinks your on a wind up or just having a bubble.

Shevchenko is pure class. He has never had a bad season previous to this in over 10 years at the top, he has never let his private life interfere with his performances, and he has never held a club to ransom.

Why is it that Gerrard is so untouchable? He's a top player (One of the top 5 midfielders in the World, IMHO), but Shevchenko is the top striker of his era.

Even Henry is poor in comparison. The only reason everyone cums in their pants over the Frenchman is because he plays in the Premiership.

Thierry has NEVER been near Sheva for ability - only pace. How many finals has the c*nt failed to deliver in? He's just a big-time bottler.
Gerrard DOESN'T bottle it in the big games, he just sulks for 3/4 of the season. He then hits a wonder goal to save us, and everyone says it's him that won the trophy for us.

Well folks - time for a reality check. Gerrard is brilliant. He's a fantastic footballer. But he will never be the best in the World until he gets off his high horse.
They say it was Gerrard's cup final. That, I can agree with.
They also say he "won us the Champions' League". - Utter bullsh*t. He scored a header that Dida thought was going wide. I could have saved it. He then throws his arms up to rouse the crowd, and we hear nothing from him for the rest of the game.

He was also on the pitch when we went 3-0 down, remember?

The 2 men responsible for our victory that night were Rafa and Hamann.

It's all very well saying "Rafa made a mistake by starting with Kewell" - hindsight, my friends. We're all wiser after the event.

I apreciate everything positive Gerrard has done on the pitch. I just want a balanced summary of the lad, is all.
(And before anyone thinks I'm backing a Sh*tski player - I'm not. I'm just telling it like it is.)

Give credit where credit is due....


Gerrard had to play RB or Right wing back in the 2nd half of the champions league. If gerrard hadn't played there the milan left winger (forgot his name) would have run rings around smicer. And for your info......he did a damn good job in that role.

IMO, Hamann, Gerrard and Dudek were the main reasons why we won that champions league.....

The_Rock wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

LittleHobo wrote:the problem for all these players is the ego

ballack and shevchenko both have a "big fish" ego, in their last teams they were the big fish, now all of a sudden they aint and they struggle to cope with this and find their place

same with pennant and bellamy, you can see that both men have egos to maintain, pennant was good at birmingham cause he was the star, he was the big fish............now all of a sudden he aint and hes struggling to cope with this mentally and find his own place

gonzalez is diffrent, south americans rarely settle instantly, we wont see the best of gonzo till the end of this season

Shevchenko is Sh*tski's best player by a country mile.

It's Moris' managerial incompetence that is the problem.

If he is thick enough to play the best striker of a generation "his way", then that's his look out.

One things for certain - if they were similar ages, and Sh*tski DID look at selling him, I'd swap him for Gerrard in a heartbeat.

Drogba is on form and is a better striker than Shevchenko at the moment, so how he can be a Chelsea's best player by a country mile beggers belief.
you'd swap Shevchenko for Gerrard even in his prime?
Me thinks your on a wind up or just having a bubble.

Shevchenko is pure class. He has never had a bad season previous to this in over 10 years at the top, he has never let his private life interfere with his performances, and he has never held a club to ransom.

Why is it that Gerrard is so untouchable? He's a top player (One of the top 5 midfielders in the World, IMHO), but Shevchenko is the top striker of his era.

Even Henry is poor in comparison. The only reason everyone cums in their pants over the Frenchman is because he plays in the Premiership.

Thierry has NEVER been near Sheva for ability - only pace. How many finals has the c*nt failed to deliver in? He's just a big-time bottler.
Gerrard DOESN'T bottle it in the big games, he just sulks for 3/4 of the season. He then hits a wonder goal to save us, and everyone says it's him that won the trophy for us.

Well folks - time for a reality check. Gerrard is brilliant. He's a fantastic footballer. But he will never be the best in the World until he gets off his high horse.
They say it was Gerrard's cup final. That, I can agree with.
They also say he "won us the Champions' League". - Utter bullsh*t. He scored a header that Dida thought was going wide. I could have saved it. He then throws his arms up to rouse the crowd, and we hear nothing from him for the rest of the game.

He was also on the pitch when we went 3-0 down, remember?

The 2 men responsible for our victory that night were Rafa and Hamann.

It's all very well saying "Rafa made a mistake by starting with Kewell" - hindsight, my friends. We're all wiser after the event.

I apreciate everything positive Gerrard has done on the pitch. I just want a balanced summary of the lad, is all.
(And before anyone thinks I'm backing a Sh*tski player - I'm not. I'm just telling it like it is.)

Give credit where credit is due....


Gerrard had to play RB or Right wing back in the 2nd half of the champions league. If gerrard hadn't played there the milan left winger (forgot his name) would have run rings around smicer. And for your info......he did a damn good job in that role.

IMO, Hamann, Gerrard and Dudek were the main reasons why we won that champions league.....

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

LittleHobo wrote:the problem for all these players is the ego

ballack and shevchenko both have a "big fish" ego, in their last teams they were the big fish, now all of a sudden they aint and they struggle to cope with this and find their place

same with pennant and bellamy, you can see that both men have egos to maintain, pennant was good at birmingham cause he was the star, he was the big fish............now all of a sudden he aint and hes struggling to cope with this mentally and find his own place

gonzalez is diffrent, south americans rarely settle instantly, we wont see the best of gonzo till the end of this season

Shevchenko is Sh*tski's best player by a country mile.

It's Moris' managerial incompetence that is the problem.

If he is thick enough to play the best striker of a generation "his way", then that's his look out.

One things for certain - if they were similar ages, and Sh*tski DID look at selling him, I'd swap him for Gerrard in a heartbeat.

Drogba is on form and is a better striker than Shevchenko at the moment, so how he can be a Chelsea's best player by a country mile beggers belief.
you'd swap Shevchenko for Gerrard even in his prime?
Me thinks your on a wind up or just having a bubble.

Shevchenko is pure class. He has never had a bad season previous to this in over 10 years at the top, he has never let his private life interfere with his performances, and he has never held a club to ransom.

Why is it that Gerrard is so untouchable? He's a top player (One of the top 5 midfielders in the World, IMHO), but Shevchenko is the top striker of his era.

Even Henry is poor in comparison. The only reason everyone cums in their pants over the Frenchman is because he plays in the Premiership.

Thierry has NEVER been near Sheva for ability - only pace. How many finals has the c*nt failed to deliver in? He's just a big-time bottler.
Gerrard DOESN'T bottle it in the big games, he just sulks for 3/4 of the season. He then hits a wonder goal to save us, and everyone says it's him that won the trophy for us.

Well folks - time for a reality check. Gerrard is brilliant. He's a fantastic footballer. But he will never be the best in the World until he gets off his high horse.
They say it was Gerrard's cup final. That, I can agree with.
They also say he "won us the Champions' League". - Utter bullsh*t. He scored a header that Dida thought was going wide. I could have saved it. He then throws his arms up to rouse the crowd, and we hear nothing from him for the rest of the game.

He was also on the pitch when we went 3-0 down, remember?

The 2 men responsible for our victory that night were Rafa and Hamann.

It's all very well saying "Rafa made a mistake by starting with Kewell" - hindsight, my friends. We're all wiser after the event.

I apreciate everything positive Gerrard has done on the pitch. I just want a balanced summary of the lad, is all.
(And before anyone thinks I'm backing a Sh*tski player - I'm not. I'm just telling it like it is.)

Fair enough Lando.

But why is we either constantly talk Gerrard up (me) or constantly belittle him (you). Everytime you post something about him, its more to do with his personality than his footballing ability. Yes he may sulk at being shunted out wide, but not all proffessionals are robots and nod in agreement. I can honestly say I can see where he's coming from. Rafa talked about building a team around the Liverpool captain and I believe he would of intended to play Gerrard in themiddle more. But Momo has been brilliant since his arrival and our RM needed filling. As I saw it, same with Gerrard I suppose, I thought him filling the RM was a stop gap until someone new was brought in. Rafa IMO panicked in the transfer marker bought Pennant, who so far has failed to deliver, thus Gerrard goes back out wide. Now if I were Gerrard I'd be thinking the gaffa has let the team down with his purchase of Pennant who has been poor, and yet again I (gerrard) have been shunted out wide yet again when I prefer to play in CM. I agree that a manger has the final word and you should play bascily wherever he tells you, but does that mean you have to humanly be happy with it? Either way we are talking about him, what about the TEN other players on the field, his teamates who never reach the limits he can and usually more often than not look to him to drag us out of a hole. Is he really that bad a bloke? He was tempted by Chelsea a couple of summers back, he didnt know where the team were going and wants to win silverwear, he was contemplating the move for trophies........ but did he go, no, is he a traitor NO. He stayed and believed he could achieve that here with us, but this season he probably is thinking ' what if I'd a gone to the Chavs' on reflection of our performances .......... so what, its upto RAFA to help deliver the goods for us now, and in two words IMO if you want to look up traitor, spell out Michael Owen.

I understand your point mate, and credit to you for actually going into detail.

I think we must resign ourselves to agreeing to disagree on this, as I have an intense dislike of his overrall attitude.

I do understand his desire to play centrally, but the fact is he is better to himself and the team when he plays as a roaming right midfielder.

I suppose I just support the "You play where you are told - we are Liverpool" mentality, where the club is a machine, and the players simply parts OF that machine.

What rankles me quite a bit, is that Gerrard is in danger of being remembered for his mentality, rather than his ability. If only he would knuckle down and be the player he is capable of being, rather than nit-picking about his position, salary, and teammates.

On the Pennant issue, I do believe Gerrard actually persuaded Rafa to take a gamble of him. I could well be wrong, but I seem to remember reading that somewhere.

I have to make it clear, though, that I DO appreciate his contributions to this club, and the times he's pulled us out of a quagmire. It just bothers me that he could be twice as good if he actually applied himself throughout a season.


And Owen!?! Don't get me started on that little b*stard!   

Surely you didnt post this Lando, a constructive argument with no swearing, surely not. Did you have sex just before posting?

Good read.

I think we all just have different opinions about people and i know that i can sometimes look through the rose tinted specs as you mentioned on a different thread. But, i just feel that i understand where he is coming from in situations where people dont agree with his attitude.

All i am trying to say in Gerrards defense is that he is VERY ambitious and is a winner. He wants to be playing at the top level in what is a short career that only comes around once. He assessed his future at a time when we would have  possibly been playing in the UEFA cup the following season and then again when LFC were refusing to show him a contract, when he had made it public he wanted to sign it straight away. Personally i dont blame him for looking at his options, any world class footballer would.

mattylfc wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

LittleHobo wrote:the problem for all these players is the ego

ballack and shevchenko both have a "big fish" ego, in their last teams they were the big fish, now all of a sudden they aint and they struggle to cope with this and find their place

same with pennant and bellamy, you can see that both men have egos to maintain, pennant was good at birmingham cause he was the star, he was the big fish............now all of a sudden he aint and hes struggling to cope with this mentally and find his own place

gonzalez is diffrent, south americans rarely settle instantly, we wont see the best of gonzo till the end of this season

Shevchenko is Sh*tski's best player by a country mile.

It's Moris' managerial incompetence that is the problem.

If he is thick enough to play the best striker of a generation "his way", then that's his look out.

One things for certain - if they were similar ages, and Sh*tski DID look at selling him, I'd swap him for Gerrard in a heartbeat.

Drogba is on form and is a better striker than Shevchenko at the moment, so how he can be a Chelsea's best player by a country mile beggers belief.
you'd swap Shevchenko for Gerrard even in his prime?
Me thinks your on a wind up or just having a bubble.

Shevchenko is pure class. He has never had a bad season previous to this in over 10 years at the top, he has never let his private life interfere with his performances, and he has never held a club to ransom.

Why is it that Gerrard is so untouchable? He's a top player (One of the top 5 midfielders in the World, IMHO), but Shevchenko is the top striker of his era.

Even Henry is poor in comparison. The only reason everyone cums in their pants over the Frenchman is because he plays in the Premiership.

Thierry has NEVER been near Sheva for ability - only pace. How many finals has the c*nt failed to deliver in? He's just a big-time bottler.
Gerrard DOESN'T bottle it in the big games, he just sulks for 3/4 of the season. He then hits a wonder goal to save us, and everyone says it's him that won the trophy for us.

Well folks - time for a reality check. Gerrard is brilliant. He's a fantastic footballer. But he will never be the best in the World until he gets off his high horse.
They say it was Gerrard's cup final. That, I can agree with.
They also say he "won us the Champions' League". - Utter bullsh*t. He scored a header that Dida thought was going wide. I could have saved it. He then throws his arms up to rouse the crowd, and we hear nothing from him for the rest of the game.

He was also on the pitch when we went 3-0 down, remember?

The 2 men responsible for our victory that night were Rafa and Hamann.

It's all very well saying "Rafa made a mistake by starting with Kewell" - hindsight, my friends. We're all wiser after the event.

I apreciate everything positive Gerrard has done on the pitch. I just want a balanced summary of the lad, is all.
(And before anyone thinks I'm backing a Sh*tski player - I'm not. I'm just telling it like it is.)

Fair enough Lando.

But why is we either constantly talk Gerrard up (me) or constantly belittle him (you). Everytime you post something about him, its more to do with his personality than his footballing ability. Yes he may sulk at being shunted out wide, but not all proffessionals are robots and nod in agreement. I can honestly say I can see where he's coming from. Rafa talked about building a team around the Liverpool captain and I believe he would of intended to play Gerrard in themiddle more. But Momo has been brilliant since his arrival and our RM needed filling. As I saw it, same with Gerrard I suppose, I thought him filling the RM was a stop gap until someone new was brought in. Rafa IMO panicked in the transfer marker bought Pennant, who so far has failed to deliver, thus Gerrard goes back out wide. Now if I were Gerrard I'd be thinking the gaffa has let the team down with his purchase of Pennant who has been poor, and yet again I (gerrard) have been shunted out wide yet again when I prefer to play in CM. I agree that a manger has the final word and you should play bascily wherever he tells you, but does that mean you have to humanly be happy with it? Either way we are talking about him, what about the TEN other players on the field, his teamates who never reach the limits he can and usually more often than not look to him to drag us out of a hole. Is he really that bad a bloke? He was tempted by Chelsea a couple of summers back, he didnt know where the team were going and wants to win silverwear, he was contemplating the move for trophies........ but did he go, no, is he a traitor NO. He stayed and believed he could achieve that here with us, but this season he probably is thinking ' what if I'd a gone to the Chavs' on reflection of our performances .......... so what, its upto RAFA to help deliver the goods for us now, and in two words IMO if you want to look up traitor, spell out Michael Owen.

I understand your point mate, and credit to you for actually going into detail.

I think we must resign ourselves to agreeing to disagree on this, as I have an intense dislike of his overrall attitude.

I do understand his desire to play centrally, but the fact is he is better to himself and the team when he plays as a roaming right midfielder.

I suppose I just support the "You play where you are told - we are Liverpool" mentality, where the club is a machine, and the players simply parts OF that machine.

What rankles me quite a bit, is that Gerrard is in danger of being remembered for his mentality, rather than his ability. If only he would knuckle down and be the player he is capable of being, rather than nit-picking about his position, salary, and teammates.

On the Pennant issue, I do believe Gerrard actually persuaded Rafa to take a gamble of him. I could well be wrong, but I seem to remember reading that somewhere.

I have to make it clear, though, that I DO appreciate his contributions to this club, and the times he's pulled us out of a quagmire. It just bothers me that he could be twice as good if he actually applied himself throughout a season.


And Owen!?! Don't get me started on that little b*stard!   

Surely you didnt post this Lando, a constructive argument with no swearing, surely not. Did you have sex just before posting?

Good read.

I think we all just have different opinions about people and i know that i can sometimes look through the rose tinted specs as you mentioned on a different thread. But, i just feel that i understand where he is coming from in situations where people dont agree with his attitude.

All i am trying to say in Gerrards defense is that he is VERY ambitious and is a winner. He wants to be playing at the top level in what is a short career that only comes around once. He assessed his future at a time when we would have  possibly been playing in the UEFA cup the following season and then again when LFC were refusing to show him a contract, when he had made it public he wanted to sign it straight away. Personally i dont blame him for looking at his options, any world class footballer would.