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LittleHobo wrote:

bedlovedays wrote:If cisse and Pongolle had stayed we could have used the crouch bellamy money + the 6 on pennant to buy a player who is one of the top in the premiership.  Who do you figure we could have gotten for 18 mil?

At the very least the combination of Cisse and Pongolle is as good as Crouch Bellamy.

hahahhha

you talk more rubbish than me

LittleHobo wrote:i just think our style of play doesnt suit bellamy

we play a kinda slow passing game

bellamy needs direct balls using his pace to get the best out of him

A.B. wrote:

LittleHobo wrote:i just think our style of play doesnt suit bellamy

we play a kinda slow passing game

bellamy needs direct balls using his pace to get the best out of him

Err wrong. He doesn't need direct balls, that's what we have been feeding him with and it hasn't worked. He needs through balls through the channels he runs in instead we've hit it over the top to him for what reason exactly?

He's a midget, you don't need to hit it long to him.

A.B. wrote:

LittleHobo wrote:

A.B. wrote:Cisse, a world class player?

He has a first touch of a brick wall. You could take clips of anyone and make them look good even Traore.

Pongolle is on loan in Spain and has done alright, even he's a better footballer than Cisse.

these were not just clips

these were a series of wonder goals

trying things you only try when you know your team and manager has confidence in you

we never saw this side of cisse

So because he scored some wonder goals he's an amazing football player?

The French League in general is poor. Apart from Lyon there is no class teams in that league. The fact of the matter that Bourdeux finished 2nd last season says it all, they are one of the worst sides we've played in Europe in years.

A.B. wrote:

One needs only to look at the Prem to see its not all what its cracked up to be.  The fact we are only 5 points off 4th considering how dire we have been shows the league isnt that strong in reality.

What was the difference between 4th place and 3rd place last season? Close to 20 points.

In the past four years, English clubs have been advancing far more in European competions than French clubs have.

Lyon for all their domination in France can't get past the quarterfinals. AS Monaco reached the finals three years ago and that was the most impressive achievement for a French club for quite some time [since Marsaille won it in the early 90's I believe].

Chelsea have successfully made past the quarter-finals for the most part and reached the semi's. Arsenal were the finalists last year and we won it the year before.

Middlesbrough who were poor last seaoson made it to the finals of the UEFA Cup.

The French League is poor and isn't that much better than Eredivise.

Kuyt has looked better in two months than Cisse has in the two years he spent at the club.

FACT

puroresu wrote:

A.B. wrote:

One needs only to look at the Prem to see its not all what its cracked up to be.  The fact we are only 5 points off 4th considering how dire we have been shows the league isnt that strong in reality.

What was the difference between 4th place and 3rd place last season? Close to 20 points.

In the past four years, English clubs have been advancing far more in European competions than French clubs have.

Lyon for all their domination in France can't get past the quarterfinals. AS Monaco reached the finals three years ago and that was the most impressive achievement for a French club for quite some time [since Marsaille won it in the early 90's I believe].

Chelsea have successfully made past the quarter-finals for the most part and reached the semi's. Arsenal were the finalists last year and we won it the year before.

Middlesbrough who were poor last seaoson made it to the finals of the UEFA Cup.

The French League is poor and isn't that much better than Eredivise.

Kuyt has looked better in two months than Cisse has in the two years he spent at the club.

FACT

True about Lyon but no one can deny they are one of the best sides in Europe. If we drew them I would be worried as Lyon could rip us to shreds.

You cant really compare the records in Europe without looking at the spending power of those english sides compared to the french.  French sides dont have the means to sign the quality of player required to advance far in the CL.  Lyon are the only side who can pay £10 mil+ on one player.  Marsielle are the biggest side but cant compete in the transfer market.  The dutch sides are in the same boat and just like France, PSV are the only side capable of reaching the last  in the CL.

puroresu wrote:

A.B. wrote:

One needs only to look at the Prem to see its not all what its cracked up to be.  The fact we are only 5 points off 4th considering how dire we have been shows the league isnt that strong in reality.

What was the difference between 4th place and 3rd place last season? Close to 20 points.

In the past four years, English clubs have been advancing far more in European competions than French clubs have.

Lyon for all their domination in France can't get past the quarterfinals. AS Monaco reached the finals three years ago and that was the most impressive achievement for a French club for quite some time [since Marsaille won it in the early 90's I believe].

Chelsea have successfully made past the quarter-finals for the most part and reached the semi's. Arsenal were the finalists last year and we won it the year before.

Middlesbrough who were poor last seaoson made it to the finals of the UEFA Cup.

The French League is poor and isn't that much better than Eredivise.

Kuyt has looked better in two months than Cisse has in the two years he spent at the club.

FACT

True about Lyon but no one can deny they are one of the best sides in Europe. If we drew them I would be worried as Lyon could rip us to shreds.

You cant really compare the records in Europe without looking at the spending power of those english sides compared to the french.  French sides dont have the means to sign the quality of player required to advance far in the CL.  Lyon are the only side who can pay £10 mil+ on one player.  Marsielle are the biggest side but cant compete in the transfer market.  The dutch sides are in the same boat and just like France, PSV are the only side capable of reaching the last  in the CL.

john craig wrote:Can't believe this thread

Bellamy is everything that Cisse wasn't - he has awareness, he can pass a ball, he can control a ball, he wants to win, he plays for the team, he works hard.  Cisse was a lazy fu.cker who would have been sold a season sooner had he not broken his leg the first time.

Personally I'm sick of people coming on here and slating some of the new boys like Bellamy, Pennant and Gonzalez.  For fu.ck sake cut them some slack, they're not playing well but don't forget they're new signings who will take time to settle.  The whole team is playing shi.te - Gerrard and Carra, the local boys who can do no wrong, have been 2 of the worst offenders imo.  Carra has made more individual errors than any of our other defenders this season, while Gerrard has been awful by his standards, and don't give me any of that 'it's because he's played out of position' sh.ite, he won player of the year and scored 23 goals playing on the right last year so that's not the reason.

The whole side is lacking confidence and playing badly, which has made it 10 times harder for the new signings to settle, but people still single them out for abuse, it's pathetic.

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