Sports commentators - Informative or insufferable

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Postby red37 » Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:57 pm

The standards of both Radio and Television broadcasting in general in my opinion has fallen sadly by the wayside largely over the last 15-20 years or so. although of course there are some shining examples of its brilliant luminescence littered throughout the previous decade and beyond. they however remain very few and far between. the same could equally be levelled at the Music industry on the whole. and its little coincidence that in each of the last two decades there have been 'defining' moments that have gone a long way in shaping the whole culture of todays entertainment in both our homes if not our whole lives, namely the establishments of MTV and SKY for example. but the debate i want to provoke isnt about programming content or any lament for things to return to the days where a choice between 3/4 terrestrial television channels and/or the 'archers' and 'desert island discs' was acceptable standard fare.

i dont know what made me think about penning this thread which ive decided to open up for your delectation and deliberation other than the brief recollection at some point during this morning about the Cambridge/Oxford boat race of all things.. and therein the conjuring up of the faded/distant memory of one of the finest Radio broadcasters ever to permeate the airwaves -FACT.  and one who's voice i swear, to this day i can fondly recall, such was its clarity and authority in many fields particularly when covering Liverpool matches: that of Peter Jones.

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Jones himself died at the age of 60 soon after commentating on the 1990 boat race and in those days id previously watched the event on the BBC. that year i decided for no explicable reason to listen to it on the wireless......his last ever commentary.
but its his narrative of  Liverpool's European cup final triumphs(77/78/81 and 84) that had a profound effect on me. ill always remember him exclaiming the words "Dalglish!!...or, "Saved by Grobelaar!!... and later "Rush......Goal"  time after time in league games on the radio throughout the eighties in his own unique inimitable dulcet Welsh tones. in light of this post ive done a little research on him and unearthed this poignant article from Wikipedia:

"Almost unrivalled for his ability to paint word pictures and capture the excitement of a great occasion, Jones was still regarded as a great broadcaster in the late 1980s, despite the rise of younger, brasher commentators who did not share his Received Pronunciation accent. He was deeply affected and saddened by the Hillsborough disaster in 1989, which he witnessed from the commentary box, and gave an emotional description of the memorial service for the victims of the disaster, reciting the words of "You'll Never Walk Alone". He continued to broadcast regularly, but it has been claimed that he never fully recovered emotionally and personally from the experience of witnessing the Hillsborough disaster, and on April 1st 1990 he collapsed on the BBC launch during his commentary on the Oxford and Cambridge Boat Race. He was hospitalised at the end of the race, but died the following day. He was universally mourned as a great broadcaster and, perhaps, the last of a line, for soon after his death sports broadcasting in the UK underwent a revolution with the arrival of Sky TV and of BBC Radio 5 (later Five Live), taking a more informal and, arguably, more populist and less eloquent style."

a true Radio great.

but what about the current crop of presenters that drivel their way through the motions on the TV and Radio nowadays.
a lot of them are ex-journalist/local radio presenters etc.. who have risen through their ranks to take their place week in week out for the entertainment of the masses on primetime transmissions. and what a poorer place the world is because of some of their input. my own impressions of whether i like someone or not, usually stems from their actual 'voice' as opposed to giving second thought to their appearance. and notable distinctive articulation more often than not catches both my ears and my imagination when it is done well. the following list of recent Sports Commentators/Presenters is not based on any allegiance or bias toward anything other than the simple fact that these are some of the current/recent crop of custodians our eyes and ears are in the company of while watching and listening to Sport in 2006. pick your own particular poison:

Alan Hansen  Andy Gray  Brough Scott  Christopher Martin Jenkins  David Gower  Elton Welsby  Gaby Yorath Logan  Gary Lineker  David Vine  Julian Ryder  Sue Barker  Henry Blofeld  Rob Palmer  Clive Everton  Bill McLaren  Ian Botham  Dennis Taylor  Alan Green  Jim Rosenthal  Jim Watt  Claire Tomlinson  Mark Lawrenson  Suzi Perry  Clive Tyldesley  John Inverdale  John Motson  Mike 'Stevo' Stephenson  Ian Darke  Gerry Armstrong  Ian Bolton  Richard Keys  Toby Moody  Steve Rider  Sid Wadell  David Coleman  Tony Gubba  Virginia Wade  Peter Drury  Trevor Brooking  Mike Ingham  Barry Davies  Ray French  Johnathan Pearce  John McCririck  Hazel Irvine  Andrew Castle  Kevin Keatings  Ray Stubbs  Claire Balding  Alan Smith  Eddie Hemmings  Johnathan Davies  Willie Thorne  John McEnroe  Trevor Francis  David Pleat  John Virgo  John Champion  etc etc.. im struggling to think of anymore and i apologise for not completely presenting an exhaustive list! maybe someone else could contribute their own suggestions either living or deceased. on a personal note, out of those that i have remembered i actually like the commentating style of very few of them, partly because of their condescending 'airs and graces' and little spoken of any significance other than the superfluous. there's no need for me to highlight the obvious exceptions either and this thread is less about slating anyone, more a nod towards their plus points, if any of merit ... but of the ones i consider worthy of note: i think Kevin Keatings is one i dont mind listening to on 'La Liga' he and Armstrong. The two fellas on Eurosports MotoGP coverage are worth a listen- if a little irritating after ninety minutes- but the noise of the bikes, more than compensates for that! and i love Dennis Taylors quips alongside Clive Everton on the snooker.. (again,these are based solely on their Vocal expression and mannerisms that i like in truth). as for the Premiership, i reckon Tyler can be reasonably Informative on occasion...beyond that, you tell me. (apologies for another 'Uber-thread' about basically nothing of any relevance other than that inspired by my bizarre meandering thoughts!- i didnt intend it to be this long)  :)
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Postby ste123lfc » Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:13 pm

Its got to be suzi perry and clair tomlinson for me :love:  :eyebrow
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Postby red37 » Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:12 pm

ste123lfc wrote:Its got to be suzi perry and clair tomlinson for me :love:  :eyebrow

how did i know you were going to say that  :D
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Postby jkop » Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:40 pm

Thats one way to get your point across, your fingers must be killing you red37. :D
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Postby red37 » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:34 pm

jkop wrote:Thats one way to get your point across, your fingers must be killing you red37. :D

:D  just trying to add a little variety to the place. though im beginning to wonder whether its worth going back to posting one-liners...
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Postby Feeney » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:59 pm

red37 wrote:a lot of them are ex-journalist/local radio presenters etc.. who have risen through their ranks to take their place week in week out for the entertainment of the masses on primetime transmissions.

There is a recent convertee to Sky Sports from Radio City - his name escapes me at the moment, but i've always found him easy to listen to on a Saturday.

He done the commentary for the Liverpool - Reading league game and done a decent job.
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:05 am

i see you mention roger 'elton' welsby, did you know his real name was roger?


i only get to hear the TV comentators now but be tahnkful for what you have, the thai commentators are woeful
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Postby red37 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:06 am

peewee wrote:i see you mention roger 'elton' welsby, did you know his real name was roger?

did i f**k  :D
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Postby Dalglish » Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:55 am

Spent my formative years listening to Peter Jones on the then Radio 2 in the days before we had wall to wall coverage of football and he was an absolute joy to listen to. With the advent of SKY and it's 18 camera angles can you honestly say you feel a part of the game ?

As a season ticket holder and attender at pretty much most Football games actually watching the game and the difference between being there and watching it on SKY is vast.

What Peter Jones could do which commentators since him have failed to do is transport you from wherever you was listening from into the ground itself and feel a part of the game and almost believe you was there........

He oozed knowledge, class, passion and sentiment into every word and sentence and didn't have to hype it up like so many seem to want to these in the present era.

Of the present day commentators I like Alan Green. After that I'm struggling.........
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Postby red37 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:06 am

Dalglish wrote:With the advent of SKY and it's 18 camera angles can you honestly say you feel a part of the game ?

never in a million years. Jones had a magical turn of phrase and 'style' that transported the listener into his authoritative realm and it was quite superb to behold. its a shame many younger Radio listeners dont know who he was. his panache and delivery vastly enriched any of his broadcasts. of course that has all too sadly been cast to one side these days in favour of pomposity, self pandering and cheap gags. the man was light years away from that and its nice to hear im not alone in celebrating his accomplished talent.
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Postby Dalglish » Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:17 am

red37 wrote:
Dalglish wrote:With the advent of SKY and it's 18 camera angles can you honestly say you feel a part of the game ?

never in a million years. Jones had a magical turn of phrase and 'style' that transported the listener into his authoritative realm and it was quite superb to behold. its a shame many younger Radio listeners dont know who he was. his panache and delivery vastly enriched any of his broadcasts. of course that has all too sadly been cast to one side these days in favour of pomposity, self pandering and cheap gags. the man was light years away from that and its nice to hear im not alone in celebrating his accomplished talent.

Football's become a "product" these days hence the need to hype it beyond belief.

People see sport and football in particular as a form of entertainment and thats not too unreasonable to expect especially when the prices are so high but I go to a lot of away games and the so called "entertainment" is insufferable.

I don't call some stuffed furry creature, an over zealous PA announcer with a limited vocabulary and a half-time penalty competition "entertainment ! :D
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:20 am

i used to love listening to radio city in the 70's for our european away games, the sound was just awsome, not as clear as today but it was special
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Postby red37 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:41 am

Dalglish wrote:
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Dalglish wrote:With the advent of SKY and it's 18 camera angles can you honestly say you feel a part of the game ?

never in a million years. Jones had a magical turn of phrase and 'style' that transported the listener into his authoritative realm and it was quite superb to behold. its a shame many younger Radio listeners dont know who he was. his panache and delivery vastly enriched any of his broadcasts. of course that has all too sadly been cast to one side these days in favour of pomposity, self pandering and cheap gags. the man was light years away from that and its nice to hear im not alone in celebrating his accomplished talent.

Football's become a "product" these days hence the need to hype it beyond belief.

People see sport and football in particular as a form of entertainment and thats not too unreasonable to expect especially when the prices are so high but I go to a lot of away games and the so called "entertainment" is insufferable.

I don't call some stuffed furry creature, an over zealous PA announcer with a limited vocabulary and a half-time penalty competition "entertainment ! :D

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Postby The Manhattan Project » Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:25 am

I liked Brian Moore.

He was a great announcer.


My favourite announcers at present are John Motson, Ian Darkel, Martin Tyler, and Alan Green from Five LIVE.

The worst announcers are Andy Gray, Jonathan Pearce, Trevor Francis, Chris Kamara and Alan Smith.
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Postby taff » Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:02 am

I watched the Welsh game last night on S4C, luckily I can speak Welsh.  I have to say they were great, dont know who they are but they were very honest and informative and debated the tactics and systems excellently.  I was well impressed, especially as they werent biased towards Wales just really into their football.
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