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by **A.B.** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:31 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:

I'll post when I stop laughing!

It's like Michael Jackson giving parents advice on what they should do with their kids.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:34 am

A.B. wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote::wwww

I'll post when I stop laughing!

It's like Michael Jackson giving parents advice on what they should do with their kids.

by **vlady16.1** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:37 am

i'm so glad that people are laughing already-- it pains me but i look to the 2nd half of the season when we get all the good teams at home.

rafa is a wonderful manager but i do admit some of his moves are baffling.

what are the anti kewell thinking as we could really use him-- when is he back???

bryan robson is looking for a job

by **The Manhattan Project** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:04 am

Is Barry Fry available?

:laugh:

by **red37** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:18 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:Is Barry Fry available?

no but 'Big Ron' might be :laugh:

by **112-1077774096** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:24 am

are you saying that one of the best, if not the best central midfielders in the world at the time (souness) is not qualified to give an opinion on one of the best central midfielders in the world (gerrard).

personally it p1sses me of when people slate souness, he was the driving force of our team for many years and maybe one day gerrard will be able to match his ability.

his managment was a let down, but that does not warrant the abuse he gets from some liverpool fans, evans also failed but where is his critiscim?

souness was a great servant for our club and i had the pleasure of watching him many times, and to be honest i wish he was still playing as i never saw him hide in any game.

people would do good to remember that when they question his opinions about the centre midfield position, especially when he is talking sense

by **red37** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:30 am

peewee wrote:people would do good to remember that when they question his opinions about the centre midfield position, especially when he is talking sense

yes that means even you Richard keys-you out and out f**king tool. :no

although souness should not be above reproach for his actions during the Hillsborough aftermath..and indeed he holds more than a little accountability post- Dalglish's reign it musnt be forgotten. but as a footballer, in my book he has every right to comment on the situation at the moment. and as Peewee states, is more than adequately qualified in doing so.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:54 am

peewee wrote:Souness was a great servant for our club and i had the pleasure of watching him many times, and to be honest i wish he was still playing as i never saw him hide in any game.

Souness is the best captain Liverpool have ever had ,and we have had some great captains. I remember Souness broke someones(Bulgarian?)jaw at Anfield and in the away leg the opposition team and fans were "after" him, he received death threats and various threats from the opposition about what they would do if Souness touched the ball. Hansen said for the first 20 mins every time Liverpool got the ball they just kept passing it to Souness for a laugh.

When the Mancs signed Bryan Robson, they also signed Moses a real tough nut as part of the deal. In the lead up to the League cup final Moses kept saying how he was going to sort Souness out at Wembley. First tackle Moses went in shin high to cripple Souness, only Souness went in knee high. Moses was carried off and was never the same player again.

Great player - cr@p manager

by **Big Niall** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:01 pm

I really only got the end of Souness playing days but he is the hardest player I've seen - much tougher than Roy Keane. I think he is the best LFC midfielder I've seen.

I agree though that as he is a poor manager you have to query his tactical ability.

by **Big Niall** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:06 pm

A lot of his signings - Morientes (flop), Spanish full back (flop)Crouch/pennant,Bellamy/Gonzales (questionable). In fact Sissoko and Alonso are really the only definite successes.

I am not convinced that Rafa has got to grips with the English game. Maybe like Morientes he is top class but can't adapt to English football.

by **67-1161385641** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:25 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:DO some people on here not realise the enormity of the task facing Rafa?

Could any boss in the World win the Premiership at LFC, other than our own Benitez? Could they f*ck.

Any placing Rafa gets us is better than any other manager could achieve.

You'd do well to remember that.

There is one another manager, he was pushed out by Gerard Houllier in 1998.

by **RUSHIE#9** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:25 pm

Still today I find myself wondering IF rafa can deliver the holy grail to anfield after yesterdays performance (and I didn't even see it so I may be getting some of this wrong but bear with me). In the previous poor displays away from Anfield I have been very defensive of Rafa and laid alot of the blame at the feet of the players, but after seeing the defending in yesterdays game for the goals I am starting to question some of his tactics. Teams have gone to the Emirates this season and flooded the midfield in a 4-5-1 and it HAS worked. What does Rafa do? 4-4-2 and plays straight into their hands

. The zonal marking is again causing us problems as opposition players just aren't being picked up properly. This tactic may work in spain and europe but when defending corners in these competitions the attackers aren't always as mobile as they are in the premiership.
Playing Sami against one of the paciest attacking sides in the league is again a questionable descision in my eyes. He's 33 for fooks sake and is struggling for pace. From what I've seen of the goals from yesterday his lack of pace was costly and maybe it's time to say 'Cheers for everything Sami but we need to move on now'.
Yesterday like many I thought Stevie would be moved into the middle. I can see what Rafa's thinking is by playing him on the right 'cos he is freed up to go roaming around the pitch and when he's in the middle it is going to leave us exposed at the back with his roaming runs forward. However Zenden for Gerrard

I'm seriously puzzled by this one.

This isn't another nob 'ead calling for Rafa's head I still have faith in him but that is starting to waiver ever so slightly. Rafa is only part way through what is a massive job and he fully deserves the minimum 5 years that foollier got.

The rest of this season now has to be about what it was for ME at the start. IMPROVEMENT. I always felt that a full on assault at the title was still a year or two away and I still believe that's the case but we need to have a long unbeaten run in the league from now 'til the end of the season with at least 10 out of 12 points taken from the games against Cheat$ki, MancSh1te, the arse and the Blues*i*e.

IN RAFA WE (I) STILL TRUST, but we need to see you addressing these blatantly obvious problems with the team that so far you're either being stubborn about or naive about.

:buttrock

by **stmichael** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:32 pm

RUSHIE#9 wrote:Still today I find myself wondering IF rafa can deliver the holy grail to anfield after yesterdays performance (and I didn't even see it so I may be getting some of this wrong but bear with me). In the previous poor displays away from Anfield I have been very defensive of Rafa and laid alot of the blame at the feet of the players, but after seeing the defending in yesterdays game for the goals I am starting to question some of his tactics. Teams have gone to the Emirates this season and flooded the midfield in a 4-5-1 and it HAS worked. What does Rafa do? 4-4-2 and plays straight into their hands . The zonal marking is again causing us problems as opposition players just aren't being picked up properly. This tactic may work in spain and europe but when defending corners in these competitions the attackers aren't always as mobile as they are in the premiership.
Playing Sami against one of the paciest attacking sides in the league is again a questionable descision in my eyes. He's 33 for fooks sake and is struggling for pace. From what I've seen of the goals from yesterday his lack of pace was costly and maybe it's time to say 'Cheers for everything Sami but we need to move on now'.
Yesterday like many I thought Stevie would be moved into the middle. I can see what Rafa's thinking is by playing him on the right 'cos he is freed up to go roaming around the pitch and when he's in the middle it is going to leave us exposed at the back with his roaming runs forward. However Zenden for Gerrard I'm seriously puzzled by this one.

This isn't another nob 'ead calling for Rafa's head I still have faith in him but that is starting to waiver ever so slightly. Rafa is only part way through what is a massive job and he fully deserves the minimum 5 years that foollier got.

The rest of this season now has to be about what it was for ME at the start. IMPROVEMENT. I always felt that a full on assault at the title was still a year or two away and I still believe that's the case but we need to have a long unbeaten run in the league from now 'til the end of the season with at least 10 out of 12 points taken from the games against Cheat$ki, MancSh1te, the arse and the Blues*i*e.

IN RAFA WE (I) STILL TRUST, but we need to see you addressing these blatantly obvious problems with the team that so far you're either being stubborn about or naive about.

The sad thing is under Rafa we have played some good football at times.

I recall a comment Benitez made in his first season (or was it his second) about the style of footballl he wanted us to play. He wanted a high back line, aggressive pressing high up the field and quick movement of the ball once we'd won it. In our best performances this is exactly how we've played. He commented at the time that he didn't think we had the players to play like this week in week out from both an ability and fitness perspective.

I don't know whether we still lack those players or Benitez has lost the confidence in some of the players he has to achieve this but surely this has to be the aim. We defended so deep against Arsenal after we conceded the first goal, failed to press and moved the ball slowly. Like the Man U defeat though, the problems start at the back where we're too deep and Hyypia in particular is so pedestrian in his distribution (his first 3 clearances were all closed down).

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:01 pm

He's still the best man for the job. Fact. He get's it wrong on occasion but all managers do (Mourinho playing Geremi at RB in the FA Cup semi? Fergie's John O'Shea at CM experiment? Wenger dropping Henry for a vital league match at Old Trafford last winter?). But, he's brought us a remarkable amount of success at a time when we are some ways behind the buying power and playing strength of our main rivals.

Those that want him out need to ask: who else could have achieved what he has with this club in the last 2.5 years? And, who else could step in now and turn us into a team that could fight off the Mancs, Arsenal and Chelsea for the title? No one.

by **67-1161385641** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:14 pm

Bad Bob wrote:He's still the best man for the job. Fact. He get's it wrong on occasion but all managers do (Mourinho playing Geremi at RB in the FA Cup semi? Fergie's John O'Shea at CM experiment? Wenger dropping Henry for a vital league match at Old Trafford last winter?). But, he's brought us a remarkable amount of success at a time when we are some ways behind the buying power and playing strength of our main rivals.

Those that want him out need to ask: who else could have achieved what he has with this club in the last 2.5 years? And, who else could step in now and turn us into a team that could fight off the Mancs, Arsenal and Chelsea for the title? No one.

I don't doubt Rafa's ability and don't confuse this for me wanting a Scouser in charge of the club or me taking Rafa for granted, but if Roy Evans wasn't forced out of the Anfield hot seat and was given the amount of money Houllier was given, I'm sure he would have won us the Premiership on more than one occasion and countless other trophies to boot. Would he still be able to do well as a manager? I think so and I'd love to see him back here after Rafa, of course.

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