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by **account deleted by request** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:29 pm

Today reminded me of Liverpool against Forest when we won 5 -0 with Barnes, Beardsley etc. Only then we were the pass and move team and today Arsenal were.

The problem with having an inspirational skipper is when he doesnt inspire we look clueless.

Back to the drawing board now Rafa.

by **puroresu** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:30 pm

DonnieDarko wrote:We have some major problems:

1). Lack of width. We have no "wingers" in the team that are worth a damn. As a result the field is narrow which equals back passes and lost possession in the midfield. This is probably 60% of our problems at the moment.

2). Lack of effort. We are simply not getting into support positions fast enough especially in the final 3rd of the field which means that the strikers do not have much support and as a result they struggle. If you watched Arsenal, they attacked as a unit and defended as a unit. We definately did not do that today.

3). Lack of quality. We just didn't have anyone today that looked like they could make things happen. I don't fault the team selection of Rafa today becuase I like Zenden over Pennant. I am not sure about Gonzo over Garcia though. Rafa needs to stop buying decent players and start picking up players one by one that can really make a difference. Arsenal this summer did just that: Rosicky and Gallas are class. We picked up Jermaine FKING Pennant.

I agree with the signing point. Arsenal didnt sign many players but the ones they did sign were World Class.

by **peterc1992** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:31 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:Only plus point is that we have our 5 hardest away games out of the way, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Bolton and Everton

The opportunity is there around Christmas time to have an extended run of wins.

I THINK YOUR RITE....we have all the big hard away games gone with and lets try get into the top 4 before christmas,i think wel qualify no problem for the champs league,but getting nowhere near the top

by **tubby** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:31 pm

Effes wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
Effes wrote:
bavlondon wrote:If nothing is done soon then we will find this club in limbo in 5 years as Blackburn are now.

Laughable

Mock me if you wish mate but where are we. Just do a quick calucultion and based on how many away games weve won this year, where do you think we will be come the end of the season?

You said after 5 years we'd be in limbo.

My response was - laughable

No but if we carry on like this how do you think we would function without European football.

Say for instance (and i know this is extreme) that we dont qualify for the CL for the next 2 years how long do you think it will be before Stevie leaves or Rafa is sacked. And if Rafa were to go how long do you think it would be before players like Alonso leave?

It would an absolute disaster if they do not make it into the CL next year.

by **Ciggy** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:32 pm

peewee wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
peterc1992 wrote:
romliv wrote:i think we won't have the qualification for champions league next season if we still having these poor performances

but i am a sad b**tard

its not a question that wel qualify for the champions league,wel do it no problem..

Do you think so?
last goal scored away from home in the prem was a pen scored by Fowler.
I am just hoping for finishing 4th if we can it will be a miracle.
I am totally disgusted in LFC today no passion, no threat no commitment, Id do a better fu.cking job and Im a woman.

just think ciggy, a few weeks ago some of these people were calling us fickle and not loyal supporters for stating the truth

I know, fickle whats f.ucking fickle anyway a new word fro SKY and Soccer am.
Them Liverpool players today are an embarressment of our clubs history.
Hugging f.uckin Henry whats that all about they are our rivals, we should have held their willys wilst they had a p.iss at half time aswell.
Talk about showing a team respect we where terrified of them.
It seemed that the whole team where watching Henry in awe.
I mean FFS Cmon these kunts are our rivals for 90 mins not our best bleedin mates.
Until we get a mean streak and start showing some f.uckin passion we wont be winning any league in my life time.
FUCKING SICK OF THIS TEAM LETTING US DOWN TIME AND TIME AND TIME OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
To many medeocre players brought in once again who quite frankly arnt good enough.

FUCK OFF LIVERPOOL :angry:

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:33 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:Only plus point is that we have our 5 hardest away games out of the way, Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Bolton and Everton

The opportunity is there around Christmas time to have an extended run of wins.

We have our five hardest away games out of the way, without a single point or goal and having conceeded 11 against them, AND THATS THE PLUS POINT!

by **DonnieDarko** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:33 pm

I watched the match ..... Liverpool were $#@! ..... What is Rafa thinking when he put SG on the Right and Zendan in the Center .....

It was either Zenden in the center or Garcia/Pennant on the right. Pick your poison.

by **tubby** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:34 pm

Ciggy wrote:
peewee wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
peterc1992 wrote:
romliv wrote:i think we won't have the qualification for champions league next season if we still having these poor performances

but i am a sad b**tard

its not a question that wel qualify for the champions league,wel do it no problem..

Do you think so?
last goal scored away from home in the prem was a pen scored by Fowler.
I am just hoping for finishing 4th if we can it will be a miracle.
I am totally disgusted in LFC today no passion, no threat no commitment, Id do a better fu.cking job and Im a woman.

just think ciggy, a few weeks ago some of these people were calling us fickle and not loyal supporters for stating the truth

I know, fickle whats f.ucking fickle anyway a new word fro SKY and Soccer am.
Them Liverpool players today are an embarressment of our clubs history.
Hugging f.uckin Henry whats that all about they are our rivals, we should have held their willys wilst they had a p.iss at half time aswell.
Talk about showing a team respect we where terrified of them.
It seemed that the whole team where watching Henry in awe.
I mean FFS Cmon these kunts are our rivals for 90 mins not our best bleedin mates.
Until we get a mean streak and start showing some f.uckin passion we wont be winning any league in my life time.
FUCKING SICK OF THIS TEAM LETTING US DOWN TIME AND TIME AND TIME OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
To many medeocre players brought in once again who quite frankly arnt good enough.

FUCK OFF LIVERPOOL

We all feel this way CGGY.

All i can say is, investors come on and save this geat team please before we become a joke.

by **BLANDY** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:35 pm

Somethings gotta be done Zenden middle of the park is a joke SG got to play middle give Pennant a run on the right should have played Bellamy upfront the list is endless at the moment:(

by **niv15** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:35 pm

daddyo wrote:To me its simply that we are basically set up as a counter attacking side.
How many times do we see our fullbacks ahead of the play/ball?
We always seem to react to the pass rather than be moving in anticipation.
We're looking dis-jointed, not a team with a pattern just a group of individuals.
Hopefully this is the calm before the storm, it cant really get much worse-caned by The . ManUsa, The bitters an Bolton before half way in the season aint good, so chin up boys an girls!!

We seemed to lack the aggression or the urgency to get back to the games when the chips are down.This liverpool team is got to be one of the slowest team in the premiership. It's just like watching a group of mid-thirties stroking the ball around the park and then got tore apart by a team way physically and technically better. I think the team is in a real slump now, no shape, no defending, passing is poor and strikers starved of any service. :angry:

by **tubby** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:36 pm

BLANDY wrote:Somethings gotta be done Zenden middle of the park is a joke SG got to play middle give Pennant a run on the right should have played Bellamy upfront the list is endless at the moment:(

Zenden is

and not good enough to play at this level.

by **Redman in wales** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:36 pm

So another dissapointing game away from home.

Looking at it realistically, we will face a big challenge to finish in the top 4 this season. We cant take any points from the top 3 teams, we are simply not good enough, and really need to be ontop of our game to get a point.

Saying that we have played utd, chelsea, arsenal and bolton away doesnt mean a thing if we dont take any points from those games. Arsenal have already won their away match against utd, so although utd dropped 3 points, they are still top, and arsenal picked up 3 points at old trafford. - so both sides did ok after that! Utd won 4-0 at bolton... so they can go there and get a result, we cant.

the excuse that we've had our toughest away games doesnt mean a thing if we lose them all because thats like saying we expected to lose those games... its a watford excuse, a charlton excuse.... not a liverpool excuse. We should be winning or drawing against arsenal or utd away... but we dont - why?

Because we are simply not good enough. Chelsea apart (as they just buy-in their quality) Arsenal had a bad start to the season, but since beating utd, they have been exceptional, passing, carrying the ball... looking like a really good footballing side. we are simply not that good.

Pennant, Zenden, bellamy while good, are not premiership winning material. aurelio and gonzalez need time to adapt and gonzo still has alot to learn. At this moment in time they are not premiership winning quality. Hyypia is solid as a rock, but is starting to look slightly jaded in a few games, he can be motm in some games then get confused in his partnership with cara in other games. - He doesnt seem like he can be 100% dependable every single game like he used to be.

I know you need money to buy decent players and we dont have the finances. So maybe we need better scouts.... look at arsenal... how much money have they spent on players like Eboue, Toure, Adebayor, Fabregas, Clichy, Rosicky, Helb, Flamini. Its wrong that they are all foreign and they practically have no englishmen what-so-ever, but good quality players can be found for very little money, if you have the right scouts.

We need ball carriers desperately. Good ball carriers (sorry pennant)... players like giggs, ronaldo, robben, SWP, Lennon, Fabregas, Flamini, Van Persie...even Eboue who was awesome going down the flanks as a wingback

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:37 pm

Its funny how some people only choose to post when we lose? You know who you all are.

Our problems are no were near as deep rooted as some people are suggesting. We were outdone today by the best footballing side in England on their own turf. We more than matched them in the first half but a conceding a poor goal cost us.

We seem to be having problems in midfield at the moment, Alonso is the only player for me who is having an impact in games. Gonzo is struggling to find any consistency with in games and Gerrard is struggling period.

We have a good squad of players and no rash reactions are needed. It’s just about sorting out problems with individual players.

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:37 pm

DonnieDarko wrote:We have some major problems:

1). Lack of width. We have no "wingers" in the team that are worth a damn. As a result the field is narrow which equals back passes and lost possession in the midfield. This is probably 60% of our problems at the moment.

2). Lack of effort. We are simply not getting into support positions fast enough especially in the final 3rd of the field which means that the strikers do not have much support and as a result they struggle. If you watched Arsenal, they attacked as a unit and defended as a unit. We definately did not do that today.

3). Lack of quality. We just didn't have anyone today that looked like they could make things happen. I don't fault the team selection of Rafa today becuase I like Zenden over Pennant. I am not sure about Gonzo over Garcia though. Rafa needs to stop buying decent players and start picking up players one by one that can really make a difference. Arsenal this summer did just that: Rosicky and Gallas are class. We picked up Jermaine FKING Pennant.

4). Tactics. If Rafa had studied the West Ham and Everton games he would have seen Arsenal really struggles to break defensive sides. Had we played 4-5-1 we might have looked a little more respectable.

Robbie Fowler needs to be playing right now as well.

The problem is RAFA .... we all know recently he been link with some clubs in Italy ... If he agrees to go ... he need to pay some money to Liverpool but if he keep losing and Liverpool have no choice to sack him. On top of that Liverpool still need to pay him ....

by **metalhead** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:38 pm

Ciggy wrote:
peewee wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
peterc1992 wrote:
romliv wrote:i think we won't have the qualification for champions league next season if we still having these poor performances

but i am a sad b**tard

its not a question that wel qualify for the champions league,wel do it no problem..

Do you think so?
last goal scored away from home in the prem was a pen scored by Fowler.
I am just hoping for finishing 4th if we can it will be a miracle.
I am totally disgusted in LFC today no passion, no threat no commitment, Id do a better fu.cking job and Im a woman.

just think ciggy, a few weeks ago some of these people were calling us fickle and not loyal supporters for stating the truth

I know, fickle whats f.ucking fickle anyway a new word fro SKY and Soccer am.
Them Liverpool players today are an embarressment of our clubs history.
Hugging f.uckin Henry whats that all about they are our rivals, we should have held their willys wilst they had a p.iss at half time aswell.
Talk about showing a team respect we where terrified of them.
It seemed that the whole team where watching Henry in awe.
I mean FFS Cmon these kunts are our rivals for 90 mins not our best bleedin mates.
Until we get a mean streak and start showing some f.uckin passion we wont be winning any league in my life time.
FUCKING SICK OF THIS TEAM LETTING US DOWN TIME AND TIME AND TIME OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
To many medeocre players brought in once again who quite frankly arnt good enough.

FUCK OFF LIVERPOOL

chill out ciggy

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