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woof woof ! wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:Just one other point, Muslims have seem to be at the brunt of racial tension for years, and this war on terror has hightened the tension. The Carribeans, Africans and Chinese in Britain never got such a stigma attached to them, so why is it that Muslims have?

As I mentioned earlier

"Certainly all sections of society should abide by the laws of the land and the Muslims do themselves no favours with their apparent determination to live by their own codes".



Whilst we're on the seperate communities issue. PeeWee , are the Thai's still issuing Black passports to some of their citizens ? I seem to recall that Thai nationals of Chinese descent were given a black passport whilst "pure" Thai's received a maroon (?) one . Also in Phuket ,there are villages that are entirely muslim . When I spoke to some about this I was told that the Gov't oblige them to live seperate from the Bhuddist Thai's (this was in the mid '70's) . I was never able to get this confirmed , have you heard anything about it ?

Bamaga man wrote:

With regard to some of the comments about Muslims failure to intergrate . If we are to be even handed about this discussion we should acknowledge that virtually all ethnic miorities tend to cluster together. In London for example there are areas that are recognised as Jewish ,Sikh, Irish , Korean, Portugese, Russian etc etc I live in Brixton which is 80% black (caribbean and west african) and in the last couple of years a steadily growing South American community (mainly Colombian) . How many cities throughout the world have "chinatowns" or "little Tokyo's" ,it wasn't that long ago that Earls Court (in London) had more Australians than all other nationalities put together, they have been replaced in recent years by South Africans.

Minorities set up "ghetto's" for all sorts of reasons ,primarily ,familiarity and self protection . We can say they should intergrate but I remember a time when "Paki bashing" was considered some kind of weekend sport by some members of our not so welcoming british society.

Certainly all sections of society should abide by the laws of the land and the Muslims do themselves no favours with their apparent determination to live by their own codes .However living in an apparently isolated group is not just a question of geography and it is an issue that affects all of us.

Thats fair enough, and I'd understand that if the Muslim population were a small pocket tucked away in Southall or somewhere. But there not, I dont even know if its correct calling Muslims an ethnic minoritie as they seem to be heavily populated accross England.
Also on the topic of "Paki bashing" my mates uncle lived in Berry park, Luton a Heavily populated Muslim community and one that didnt take to well to  a white man walking down. He lived there, the countless times his house got broken into, him being beaten up while walikng home, his daughter would get the same treatment too and she was around four years old.
So yes you can say that "Paki bashing" was some kind of weekend sport, wrongly so infact that was utter disgusting. But especially nowadays its not all one way traffic like, (with my mates uncle for example). But back in the eighties I reckon Muslims got "bashed" because they did look different, speak different and were a minority (thats not an excuse BTW) coupled with the fact people werent as educated about other cultures back then and the football hooligan culture was in full flow. The Muslim community were a minority back then and got picked on, so therefore they congregated, I understand that. But its 2006 and the tables have turned, interms of numbers and IMO the Muslim race is not a minority race anymore, and they are just as guilty as the White man, for not helping them intergrate, or being racist towards one another or whatever, there's two sides to this story.
But at the end of the day the Muslims are living in what was a prodominantly white christian country, its the Muslim people who have to adapt and change there ways to live in our country, by learning English or whatever, if I went to Pakistan to live, I'd have to abide by there laws and out of respect I'd learn there tongue to help my intergration.

Just one other point, Muslims have seem to be at the brunt of racial tension for years, and this war on terror has hightened the tension. The Carribeans, Africans and Chinese in Britain never got such a stigma attached to them, so why is it that Muslims have?

i've been racially abused by asians when visiting clients in parts of bolton, calling me a white c*nt and spitting on my car. plenty of times i can drive down an all-asian street and the whole street stops and stares as you drive past like they've never seen a white face before. my mate at uni went out with an asian girl and got openly abused regularly in the street by asian lads (SHE got abuse as well, calling her a white man's whore etc)

probably much like it was a generation ago for pakistanis coming to live in britain then, @rseholes everywhere waiting to have a go at you . funny though how i've never been abused by a black man, a jew, a sikh, a chinese man, a hindu...

there really is trouble brewing in this country between muslims and the rest of the population i think, the gutter press don't help with their sensationalist ramblings but i really get the impression that the white majority are getting to the point of there being a backlash against years of pussyfooting around the oversensitivities of some muslims; many people feel they've been bending over backwards for years to accommodate muslim culture and customs whilst getting f*ck all in return apart from another benefits bill, a whole lot of whingeing and moaning, and the occasional suicide omber

i really don't know what the answer is though - britain has tried and seemingly failed at multiculturalism whereas france has gone down the integration route and that has failed as well. the muslim community has to accept some responsibility for the problem though as just about every other ethnic group has fitted in just nicely whereas muslims generally haven't managed it even though many are now 3rd and 4th generation british

peewee wrote:might be of interest to you, in thailand they have changed the visa regulations, you know that before you could go to cambodia every 30 days and get another 30 day stamp, now you are only allowed 3 entries in 6 months, so if you leave every 30 days you will get 3 months and then have to leave thailand for 3 months before you can re enter. i think they are trying to get rid of the dead wood

Thats certainly gonna f'uck up some lifestyles .

In my time we got the 90 day multi entry visa and just took a 3-4 break in Penang where we were issued with a new 90 day visa , no problem .

I've got mates in Phuket who are gonna be screwed with this new system . Having said that , money talks,I'm sure some of them will buy their way around it.   

What visa are you on ?

woof woof ! wrote:

peewee wrote:might be of interest to you, in thailand they have changed the visa regulations, you know that before you could go to cambodia every 30 days and get another 30 day stamp, now you are only allowed 3 entries in 6 months, so if you leave every 30 days you will get 3 months and then have to leave thailand for 3 months before you can re enter. i think they are trying to get rid of the dead wood

Thats certainly gonna f'uck up some lifestyles .

In my time we got the 90 day multi entry visa and just took a 3-4 break in Penang where we were issued with a new 90 day visa , no problem .

I've got mates in Phuket who are gonna be screwed with this new system . Having said that , money talks,I'm sure some of them will buy their way around it.   

What visa are you on ?

i managed to get a 12 month student visa mate, i just have to report address every 90 days.

i beleive they will be very strict with this new regulation, one of the reasons its come into force is because of immigration in phuket funniy enough, with immigration actually doing visa runs for people    . 

now the actual passport holder has to go themselves. in a way its good but you are right, it will mess a lot of peoples lives up, but to be fair there is a lot of dead wood here mate and i think thats what they are trying to remove, but it will also hit the schools as most farang teachers do the monthly run to cambodia

JBG wrote:I think minority rights and cultures should be respected and tolerated

JBG wrote:From what I read in the papers and especially on these forums, there appears to be growing racial tensions in Britain between the Muslim community and the rest.

Where I live - Ireland - we have only a small muslim community, mostly doctors and other professionals although an increasing number of poorer Middle Eastern and African Muslims now live in the bigger cities, but by and large there is no trouble between the communities and we don't have problems with any militant clerics yet. Ireland has a very large percentage of Eastern European immigrants, mostly from Poland and the Baltics, and these have integrated quite well, particularly the Poles who have the same religious background as the Irish and live a lot in the smaller country towns, regularly going to Mass etc.

France have awful problems as last years riots showed, as does Holland, and increasingly Britain, all of which are partially a legacy of the old colonial days.

I think minority rights and cultures should be respected and tolerated, but a limit clearly has to be drawn, for public policy reasons. I mean, that incident in Australia earlier this year where a Muslim woman refused to take her veil off for her driver's licence photograph was simply ridiculous. I think the state should be allowed to intervene in these cases and say that the public good outweighs that particular woman's right.

As an aethiest and a person who was educated in schools where religion was forced down my neck I think the education system should be kept completely secular, although again some common sense needs to be shown, as we shouldn't fire teachers who wear tiny little crucifixes around their neck.