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by **Rush** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:29 pm

Why not try Bellamy as left winger.? Before I get flamed, consider the following: He spends alot of the time out wide on the left, He nearly always gets to the by line and delivers a ball into the box, He is more than capable of getting past defenders and it would enable us to play Crouch and Kuyt up front with the additional threat of Bellamy as well. Plus, we wouldn,t need to play Gerrard on the left wasting the talents of our best player.

by **puroresu** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:35 pm

I dont want another Cisse situation. Strikers played out wide isnt the solution. Why sign wingers if u are ready to play strikers out there?

by **Rush** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:41 pm

puroresu wrote:I dont want another Cisse situation. Strikers played out wide isnt the solution. Why sign wingers if u are ready to play strikers out there?

Bellamy isn,t another Cisse though, He seems to go out wide as a natural part of his game. Watch him closely the next time he plays. By the way, whats the point in buying wingers and then playing Gerrard in that position.

by **Espionage** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:48 am

Rush wrote:Why not try Bellamy as left winger.? Before I get flamed, consider the following: He spends alot of the time out wide on the left, He nearly always gets to the by line and delivers a ball into the box, He is more than capable of getting past defenders and it would enable us to play Crouch and Kuyt up front with the additional threat of Bellamy as well. Plus, we wouldn,t need to play Gerrard on the left wasting the talents of our best player.

I agree with you on this one, sort of.......
I think that Bellamy playing as a winger is not that good an idea, but playing a normal 4-4-2 THAT CHANGES INTO the following pseudo 4-5-1 whenever Bellamy communicates with Gerrard that hes going to go wide would do very nicely.
Reina

Finnan Carragher Agger
Aurelio*
Alonso
Sissoko Gerrard
Pennant
Bellamy
Kuyt

(Alternatively take out Pennant for Gonzalez as do the same formation but inverted so Bellamy (and Gerrard) would be on the right)

Set up in a normal 4-4-2 formation but then change back and forth to this pseudo 4-5-1. Also to compensate for this lack of left-midfield player, Aurelio is very watchful that he is responsible for any play down that wing knowing that Alonso will restore balance by becoming a defender. This is the exact formation that we used for Cisse.

Some might say that this will be another Cisse situation, well IT IS!
Last time Rafa did not get the tactics wrong, Cisse was just sh!t.
In Bellamy we have someone whose major strength is pace and running the channels. Playing just inside a fullback or floating between the fullback and the Central defender stretches the back 4 in all sorts of ways.
Keep note of:
-Cisse never really played as a pure winger
-Cisse played better in that wide-right stiker role then he did as striker
-Dont accuse me of suggesting that we change Bellamy from a striker to a winger.

Bellamy is lightning quick and a lot of his goals from Blackburn seemed to be coming in from slightly wide areas. Rafa utilised Cisse when the team had slow fullbacks and centrebacks to be taken advantage of. After Bellamy's run forward down the left (in one of the early games this season) that he crossed onto Crouch's head was what got me thinking of this ages ago. I would like to see Rafa experiment with this wide-striker tactic once again as i think that Cisse failed because he was sh!t.
Also this accomodates for Gerrard as he can play right or left midfield without having to worry to much about width, and if Bellamy runs wide, there is big gaps for midfielders to run into.

by **The_Rock** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:55 am

I have a better idea...why don't we just play a left footed player at left wing...

Seriously..we have riise, auerlio, gonzales & garcia fit now. Anyone of them can do a job there.

I personally prefer riise (LB) & gonzales (LW) combo for home matches and auerlio (LB) & riise (LW) combo for away matches.....ie..riise should start most of our games because he is a goal threat...

But bellamy can do a job in the RW. I think he is better suited to play RW than a forward because he is fast, he can take on players and put crosses in. I would even go as far to say that he could be our best RW in this club at the moment.

The thing is he hated to play on the wings at newcastle...so don't think he fancies playing there....

by **Leonidas08** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:31 am

Bellamy should come off the bench until he can prove himself.

by **Ciggy** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:41 am

Bellamy was orderded to go left on saturday, why buy a striker and play him out wide

He isnt doing anything that Cisse didnt.

by **Espionage** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:51 am

Ciggy wrote:Bellamy was orderded to go left on saturday, why buy a striker and play him out wide
He isnt doing anything that Cisse didnt.

In my first post in this thread I pointed out a few reason why he should be played further left. Obviously because some people think that it would be for the benefit of the team. Cisse scored quite a few goals from this position (though on the right) but I felt that he was one footed therefore could only go around a player (and therefore away from goal) when he played on the right and could only beat people to the by-line and put in a cross as he always dribbling control was pretty poor.

Do you think that the my analysis in my first post is flawed?

by **Ciggy** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:59 am

Espionage wrote:In my first post in this thread I pointed out a few reason why he should be played further left. Obviously because some people think that it would be for the benefit of the team. Cisse scored quite a few goals from this position (though on the right) but I felt that he was one footed therefore could only go around a player (and therefore away from goal) when he played on the right and could only beat people to the by-line and put in a cross as he always dribbling control was pretty poor.

Do you think that the my analysis in my first post is flawed?

No mate nothing to do with what you said, what I meant was we have been crying out for pacy wingers, we have them now but neither of them play at the same time.
Instead Rafa uses Gerrard and Bellamy in their positions its so annoying.

by **jkop** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:10 am

I think keep the wingers on the wing and the strikers up front, and for Gods sake put Stevie in the middle. We have enough players for the wings dont start putting people out of position im not saying Bellamy couldnt do the job but like ive already stated we have players for those positions already.

by **Espionage** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:20 am

Ciggy wrote:
Espionage wrote:In my first post in this thread I pointed out a few reason why he should be played further left. Obviously because some people think that it would be for the benefit of the team. Cisse scored quite a few goals from this position (though on the right) but I felt that he was one footed therefore could only go around a player (and therefore away from goal) when he played on the right and could only beat people to the by-line and put in a cross as he always dribbling control was pretty poor.

Do you think that the my analysis in my first post is flawed?

No mate nothing to do with what you said, what I meant was we have been crying out for pacy wingers, we have them now but neither of them play at the same time.
Instead Rafa uses Gerrard and Bellamy in their positions its so annoying.

I think that Bellamy would just play as a wide striker the way that Cisse did. Cisse never hugged the touch line, but seemed to be just making runs when he was very close to the right back (which seemed to leave the right sided centre back a bit stranded). It was his tendancy only use his right foot that forced him wide and basically turned him into a winger. I understand that alot of people thought that Cisse's impact was hindered by playing further right but I think all the qualities that made him fail (could only go right, cant beat a defender without going around him so he always ran out of space, pretty poor finishing) are strengths of Bellamy.

I wouldnt suggest this tactic if we didnt have Gerrard (or maybe Garcia) on his wing. Bellamy running wide with pace is a good substitue for not having a winger that wants to go to wide. Gerrard (and Garcia) like to cut inside to provide a legitimate goal threat and Bellamy running wide and deep will give them space to run into (if that straded CB doesnt read the situation well).
I am not suggesting that he plays there for the whole game, I would like to see him have the freedom to make the read during the game and communicate with Gerrard and try it.

by **Leonidas08** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:52 am

maybe we sell him in the transfer window :P

by **puroresu** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:07 am

Ciggy wrote:Bellamy was orderded to go left on saturday, why buy a striker and play him out wide
He isnt doing anything that Cisse didnt.

Agreed. I don’t think Bellamy has shown anything more than what we had last season in Cisse. Everyone said Cisse missed chances, well people Bellamy has missed quite a few this season.

At the same time I feel just cos he has pace he will be the unlucky one and be asked to play wide. Newcastle played him wide as well and he didnt like it.

by **89-1159041913** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:33 am

class player
anyone who says
he aint
needs to be shot.

by **masterp** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:59 am

as much as i dislike Bellamy, we need to give him more time

but Rafa's rotation policy isn't doing him any favours - he needs to play all the time in his main position (up front) to get settled in - and that means consecutive games

it's still early days for him but if he doesn't get his confidence back soon, i fear his old character flaws will resurface once again

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