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by **craig da Toxteth iron** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:54 pm

I heard that rumour more than 100 times. Even if he was dead it will not end the evli

by **Woollyback** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:43 pm

metalhead wrote:
Woollyback wrote:6When was the last time a Christian blew himself up in a crowded public train to get his point across?

When was the last time a Sikh flew a passenger jet into an office building?

When was the last time a Buddhist burnt down a mosque?

When was the last time a Hindu murdered a nun doing humanitarian work?

When was the last time an Jew destroyed an embassy over a cartoon?

When was the last time an atheist passed a death sentence on one of his own citizens for not conforming to his belief system?

Does Howard Kendall blame the middle east crisis on Liverpool FC?

3. Buddhists and Hindus, well mostly hindus still fight with muslims in Pakistan and India, I saw a picture not long ago of a hindu Indian burning the Koran.. so this is also a problem

Dare I suggest that the common denominator in this equation was that there was a Muslim involved? I can't remember the last time I heard of Hindus fighting with Jews or Christians etc but I hear of plenty of rumbles involving Hindus vs. Muslims in Kashmir

I have no axe to grind with Islam, most Muslim people I've met (and living in Manchester I've met plenty) are absolutely fine (although a couple have been amongst the most horrible, cheating little c*nts I've ever met in my life). My problem is with a sizeable minority who engage in Islamist extremism and an extremely sizeable proportion of Muslims who take disproportionate offence to something trivial like a cartoon or the fact that I don't want to subscribe to an Islamic way of life

by **afs66** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:23 pm

Woollyback wrote:When was the last time a Christian blew himself up in a crowded public train to get his point across?

When was the last time a Sikh flew a passenger jet into an office building?

When was the last time a Buddhist burnt down a mosque?

When was the last time a Hindu murdered a nun doing humanitarian work?

When was the last time an Jew destroyed an embassy over a cartoon?

When was the last time an atheist passed a death sentence on one of his own citizens for not conforming to his belief system?

Does Howard Kendall blame the middle east crisis on Liverpool FC?

Let me ask some questions mate.And dont worry, i’ll answer those myself.

Q:Which religion’s innocent people were last butchered in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?Which religion’s innocent women were last raped in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?Which religion’s innocent children were last hanged up in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)? Which religion’s innocent pregnant women were last stabed up in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?
A: Islam

Q:Which religion’s innocent houses were last bombed mercilessly in Iraq? Which religion’s innocent men,women,children were last become homeless and helpless in Iraq .Which religion’s country was tumbled to pieces?
A: Islam

Q: Which religion’s country was occupied in Middle East and which religion’s people are continuously being killed in Paletsine?
A: Islam

Q:Which religion’s country were last razed for days in Lebanon?Which religions innocent men,women,children were last abandoned to helpless,to hunger, to aridity by United Nations in Lebanon?
A: Islam
And i dont want to mention about Afghanistan, Chechnya, East Turkestan,...etc.. All of them are Muslims.

Anyhow, I am trying not to be prejudiced and i hope that one day all the world will try not to be prejudiced.

by **EddieC** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:38 pm

afs66 wrote:
Woollyback wrote:When was the last time a Christian blew himself up in a crowded public train to get his point across?

When was the last time a Sikh flew a passenger jet into an office building?

When was the last time a Buddhist burnt down a mosque?

When was the last time a Hindu murdered a nun doing humanitarian work?

When was the last time an Jew destroyed an embassy over a cartoon?

When was the last time an atheist passed a death sentence on one of his own citizens for not conforming to his belief system?

Does Howard Kendall blame the middle east crisis on Liverpool FC?

Let me ask some questions mate.And dont worry, i’ll answer those myself.

Q:Which religion’s innocent people were last butchered in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?Which religion’s innocent women were last raped in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?Which religion’s innocent children were last hanged up in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)? Which religion’s innocent pregnant women were last stabed up in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?
A: Islam

Q:Which religion’s innocent houses were last bombed mercilessly in Iraq? Which religion’s innocent men,women,children were last become homeless and helpless in Iraq .Which religion’s country was tumbled to pieces?
A: Islam

Q: Which religion’s country was occupied in Middle East and which religion’s people are continuously being killed in Paletsine?
A: Islam

Q:Which religion’s country were last razed for days in Lebanon?Which religions innocent men,women,children were last abandoned to helpless,to hunger, to aridity by United Nations in Lebanon?
A: Islam
And i dont want to mention about Afghanistan, Chechnya, East Turkestan,...etc.. All of them are Muslims.

Anyhow, I am trying not to be prejudiced and i hope that one day all the world will try not to be prejudiced.

afs66, the difference is everything Woollyback mentioned was done in the name of Islam, everything you mentioned wasn't.

You might try and argue that the Israel/Palestine issue is about religion, and while the root cause of it is, you are talking about Israel killing Palestinians, and when this has happened it has been in retaliation for Israeli deaths, not because they were Muslims. And if you want to get technical about it, the Jews had the land robbed off them, they were living there before Islam existed.

What happened in Bosnia was atrocious, I don't deny it, but it was a civil war over who had control of the country, nothing to do with religion. The fact that one of the sides happened to be Islamic doesn't make it a holy war.

People can argue what the war in Iraq was really about, but it definately wasn't about religion. If it was, we wouldn't be letting a Muslim parliament run the country.

Chechnya again, has nothing to do with religion. The region has a high level of natural resources that the Russians don't want to lose. This is wrong yes, but it is not an affront on Islam.

None of the points you made involved Christians/Jews/Hindus/Sikhs/Buddhists attacking others to enforce their religious beliefs on them. Every instance that Woollyback cited did.

End of.

by **metalhead** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:13 pm

peewee wrote:metalhead you hit the nail on the head mate and i am glad you understand.

the part that annoys me is the 'going overboard', but in all fairness mate we do have freedom and part of humour is character assasination, scousers get it, the irish get it, but we dont start screaming in the street and setting fire to buildings.

humour is humour mate, what i am trying to get across is that we are under no obligation to respect islam despite muslims irrational demands that we do, i can turn this round and ask how many muslims respect christianity? why are we called filthy and infidels? maybe if muslims started practicing what they preach in relation to tolerance then we can move ahead, however it seems ok for muslims to be offensive about other religions but when someone makes a joke about islam all hell breaks loose, the cartoon in question was a joke, you do know what a joke is?

the problem is not with the 'rank and file' muslims, like i say i know many. when i lived in england my view of islam was tainted by the british muslims and their behaviour in the area where i policed and later where i studied. however when i moved to malaysia it was an eye opener that people are nice and not once did anyone try to force their religion on me, they even had a sense of humour in relation to religion. the problem however is the extremists who are trying to stir up hatred against the west. i read in intersting article about religion an beliefs, some muslims truly believe that if the commit an act of terrorism as a suicide bomber then they can spend the rest of their days in heaven being looked after by virgins, the problem is they truly believe this and this seems a better option than the life they have on earth so they are happy to go down that avenue. these people need to educated against such extremism.

listen i just want to make clear that i am not anti islam, just anti extremist no matter what religion they claim to represent, but most conflicts in the world at the moment involve islam and there has to be something in that, the extremists need reigning in but as far as i can see islam does not have a figurhead to do this.

Aye.. I understand your point Pewee, I'm also an anti- extremist myself and other muslims also in this part of the world. No, educated muslim would call Christians or Jews infidels or filthy because first of All Christianity have so many in common with Islam, but disagree in Jesus being son of god (thats the main issue that Christians and Muslims argue about). The only ones that would call Christians infidels or filthy are the ones who either support Al-Quada or any other Extremist Terror group. Second, the Pope shouldn't have said what he has said even if it was taken from a text because it isn't the proper time to offend muslims especially when we are talking about extremists and not to provoke any anger or violence. Pewee, I don't recall any huge offensive remarks that the Arab Muslim media did to Christians, they never drew any Prophet Jesus carecatures with a bomb on his head.

the cartoon in question was a joke, you do know what a joke is?

I know what a Joke is ofcourse, I do have a sense of humor :laugh:

but again it seems that these cartoons aren't jokes to some muslims who aren't educated enough or muslims who live in war and violence to understand the joke. Most of the muslims here in Lebanon or any other middle eastern country love to see Al-Quada or any extremist terrorist group crumble! The Thing is, who do you think started this movments? In my last post I said the American regime.

Cheers

by **metalhead** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:20 pm

By the way afs66 Ramadan Kareem! I hope you are having a wonderful Ramadan, I am enjoying it.. its a wonderful month.

and Ramadan Kareem to any Muslims on this forum too.

by **112-1077774096** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:32 pm

again metalhad you have hit the nail on the head with just one word

EDUCATION

by **metalhead** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:36 pm

peewee wrote:again metalhad you have hit the nail on the head with just one word

EDUCATION

Hopefully everything will end soon

by **Woollyback** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:05 am

yup, happy ramadan metalhead :cool:

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:49 am

afs66 wrote:
Woollyback wrote:When was the last time a Christian blew himself up in a crowded public train to get his point across?

When was the last time a Sikh flew a passenger jet into an office building?

When was the last time a Buddhist burnt down a mosque?

When was the last time a Hindu murdered a nun doing humanitarian work?

When was the last time an Jew destroyed an embassy over a cartoon?

When was the last time an atheist passed a death sentence on one of his own citizens for not conforming to his belief system?

Does Howard Kendall blame the middle east crisis on Liverpool FC?

Let me ask some questions mate.And dont worry, i’ll answer those myself.

Q:Which religion’s innocent people were last butchered in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?Which religion’s innocent women were last raped in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?Which religion’s innocent children were last hanged up in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)? Which religion’s innocent pregnant women were last stabed up in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?
A: Islam

Q:Which religion’s innocent houses were last bombed mercilessly in Iraq? Which religion’s innocent men,women,children were last become homeless and helpless in Iraq .Which religion’s country was tumbled to pieces?
A: Islam

Q: Which religion’s country was occupied in Middle East and which religion’s people are continuously being killed in Paletsine?
A: Islam

Q:Which religion’s country were last razed for days in Lebanon?Which religions innocent men,women,children were last abandoned to helpless,to hunger, to aridity by United Nations in Lebanon?
A: Islam
And i dont want to mention about Afghanistan, Chechnya, East Turkestan,...etc.. All of them are Muslims.

Anyhow, I am trying not to be prejudiced and i hope that one day all the world will try not to be prejudiced.

Each and every instance you mention was brought about by nobheads acting "In the name of" Islam.

You start it, others end it.

by **Fowler_E7** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:05 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
afs66 wrote:
Woollyback wrote:When was the last time a Christian blew himself up in a crowded public train to get his point across?

When was the last time a Sikh flew a passenger jet into an office building?

When was the last time a Buddhist burnt down a mosque?

When was the last time a Hindu murdered a nun doing humanitarian work?

When was the last time an Jew destroyed an embassy over a cartoon?

When was the last time an atheist passed a death sentence on one of his own citizens for not conforming to his belief system?

Does Howard Kendall blame the middle east crisis on Liverpool FC?

Let me ask some questions mate.And dont worry, i’ll answer those myself.

Q:Which religion’s innocent people were last butchered in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?Which religion’s innocent women were last raped in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?Which religion’s innocent children were last hanged up in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)? Which religion’s innocent pregnant women were last stabed up in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?
A: Islam

Q:Which religion’s innocent houses were last bombed mercilessly in Iraq? Which religion’s innocent men,women,children were last become homeless and helpless in Iraq .Which religion’s country was tumbled to pieces?
A: Islam

Q: Which religion’s country was occupied in Middle East and which religion’s people are continuously being killed in Paletsine?
A: Islam

Q:Which religion’s country were last razed for days in Lebanon?Which religions innocent men,women,children were last abandoned to helpless,to hunger, to aridity by United Nations in Lebanon?
A: Islam
And i dont want to mention about Afghanistan, Chechnya, East Turkestan,...etc.. All of them are Muslims.

Anyhow, I am trying not to be prejudiced and i hope that one day all the world will try not to be prejudiced.

Each and every instance you mention was brought about by nobheads acting "In the name of" Islam.

You start it, others end it.

how do you work that out, none of those conflicts were started in the name of islam, infact the only war he mentioned that has anything to do with religion is the palestine issue

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:23 am

Fowler_E7 wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
afs66 wrote:
Woollyback wrote:When was the last time a Christian blew himself up in a crowded public train to get his point across?

When was the last time a Sikh flew a passenger jet into an office building?

When was the last time a Buddhist burnt down a mosque?

When was the last time a Hindu murdered a nun doing humanitarian work?

When was the last time an Jew destroyed an embassy over a cartoon?

When was the last time an atheist passed a death sentence on one of his own citizens for not conforming to his belief system?

Does Howard Kendall blame the middle east crisis on Liverpool FC?

Let me ask some questions mate.And dont worry, i’ll answer those myself.

Q:Which religion’s innocent people were last butchered in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?Which religion’s innocent women were last raped in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?Which religion’s innocent children were last hanged up in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)? Which religion’s innocent pregnant women were last stabed up in the heart of Europe(Bosnia Herzegovina)?
A: Islam

Q:Which religion’s innocent houses were last bombed mercilessly in Iraq? Which religion’s innocent men,women,children were last become homeless and helpless in Iraq .Which religion’s country was tumbled to pieces?
A: Islam

Q: Which religion’s country was occupied in Middle East and which religion’s people are continuously being killed in Paletsine?
A: Islam

Q:Which religion’s country were last razed for days in Lebanon?Which religions innocent men,women,children were last abandoned to helpless,to hunger, to aridity by United Nations in Lebanon?
A: Islam
And i dont want to mention about Afghanistan, Chechnya, East Turkestan,...etc.. All of them are Muslims.

Anyhow, I am trying not to be prejudiced and i hope that one day all the world will try not to be prejudiced.

Each and every instance you mention was brought about by nobheads acting "In the name of" Islam.

You start it, others end it.

how do you work that out, none of those conflicts were started in the name of islam, infact the only war he mentioned that has anything to do with religion is the palestine issue

So "The war on Terror" was not a reaction to a "Muslim" c*nt ordering 2 planes to be flown into the Twin Towers?

At the end of the day, virtually every action against Islam has merely been a reaction to something they have started. (With the exception of centuries old persecution that happened before/during the Middle ages and continued due to a lack of intellect by the propagators.)

In the modern World, they start all the problems they find themselves in.
If they don't like the heat - they should stop making fires.

by **LFC #1** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:32 am

Sorry Lando you're well wide of the mark. The Bosnia Herzegovina issue was due to a man who IMO was as evil as Hitler, Slobodan Milosevic, wanting to take control of the whole of Yugoslavia. Like Hitler did with the Jews and Slavs, Milosevic saw Muslims as inferior so he committed a mass genocide in Bosnia. The Muslims did absolutely nothing wrong. One of my mates is a Bosnian Muslim and his best friend's dad was taken by the Serbian forces and they they never know what happened to their father, as himself and hsi fmaily had to flee the country.

This comment which you said below is little ignorant IMO.

"In the modern World, they start all the problems they find themselves in.
If they don't like the heat - they should stop making fires."

I suppose you could argue your point for the other instances afs6 mentioned, but I still disagree with you.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:43 am

LFC #1 wrote:Sorry Lando you're well wide of the mark. The Bosnia Herzegovina issue was due to a man who IMO was as evil as Hitler, Slobodan Milosevic, wanting to take control of the whole of Yugoslavia. Like Hitler did with the Jews and Slavs, Milosevic saw Muslims as inferior so he committed a mass genocide in Bosnia. The Muslims did absolutely nothing wrong. One of my mates is a Bosnian Muslim and his best friend's dad was taken by the Serbian forces and they they never know what happened to their father, as himself and hsi fmaily had to flee the country.

This comment which you said below is little ignorant IMO.

"In the modern World, they start all the problems they find themselves in.
If they don't like the heat - they should stop making fires."

I suppose you could argue your point for the other instances afs6 mentioned, but I still disagree with you.

Well that's your choice mate.

But I did say,

"virtually every action against Islam has merely been a reaction to something they have started. (With the exception of centuries old persecution that happened before/during the Middle ages and continued due to a lack of intellect by the propagators.)"

Meaning that Old Slobba was continuing something that had been running for hundreds of years. He was wrong, and lacking in the brain department.

But by "modern" world, I mean the here and now.

They (obviously I am referring to the extremists) are the ones bringing all the heat onto themselves by their lunatic methods. (Suicide bombings/terrorism/burning the Embassy, etc.)

Here's a tip for old Dusty Bin Laden:

Get to f*ck, you long-bearded c*nt.

We shall NEVER surrender to your f*cking twisted ideas.

You thick, uneducated, cowardly b*stard.

You know what? I'd love to have a scrap with the tw*t. He's such a pussy, sending all those brainwashed dickheads to their doom so he can sit pretty and reap the rewards.

Time for the dumb punks that follow him to wake up and realise that they are just pawns in his retarded chess game.

by **zarababe** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:53 am

Bin Laden does NOT represent the 'muslim world' indeed, for most people whether they are muslims or not, this is a lunatic using the 'name ' of religion to justify the actions he and his band of 'not so' merry men carry out. It is in all our interests for these 'lunes' to disappear, for they degrade my faith and sully its name.

No religion propagates violence, suicide bombings, torture and evil. However ALL religions are open to interpretation because the challenge for those who follow any 'ism' is to find the right way and understand what that journey entails. Unforunately this means that there are those who will then use unambiguity as the means for irrational behaviours which actually go against the true tenents of that faith.

For me the true values of Islam, kindness towards others, humanitarianism, charity and goodwill towards all, exists in 'abundance' in the western world. Islamic values are everyones values really. The middle east despite its problems, some of them self inflicted, rarely displays these 'values'. Herein lies the irony, frustrated nations, governed by tyrants and monarchy's who lavish themsleves with the luxuries of life, while the majority live in poverty. Fuel is added to the fires that rage through the foriegn policies of the west, which deliver divide and rule outcomes, and further injustices in the guise of a war torn annhilated Iraq and unresolved Palestinian situation, which the tyrants and monarchs, sit by and passively allow (infact can do little about so inept and inadequte they are).

I think that for those of us who are muslims on these pages, we do not need to defend our faith, for being muslim and living wherever we do, is hopefully not a reason of conflict rather one of reconciliation, personal and social gratification.

For those who are not muslim, there needs to be recognition that there is a 'fundamental' difference between those who distort the true teachings of our faith, and those of us who also find the actions and propaganda in the name of our religion totally abhorant. Lets not tarnish all with one brush and live as what we are on here, Liverpool supporters not clerics, fanatics and lunes.

The Quran teaches us; "let there be no compulsion in religion". Respect for other faiths and people's beliefs is an utmost requirement and challenge for us in our faith. One, that outwardly, the 'muslim world' is struggling with, but one which most moderates would argue is the only way.. the way of and to peace - the literal meaning of Islam. No-one is compelled to be a muslim, christian or anything - do what you must to live and 'let-live', in that is true freedom.

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