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Ciggy wrote:

Oasis wrote:What an over reaction, Gerrard will leave next season. So what if he does? People come and go, the club still remains. If he's scared of putting in hard graft to earn trophies then he shouldn't be playing for us, it's a simple as that.

JUST OFF

EddieC wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

Oasis wrote:What an over reaction, Gerrard will leave next season. So what if he does? People come and go, the club still remains. If he's scared of putting in hard graft to earn trophies then he shouldn't be playing for us, it's a simple as that.

JUST OFF

Totally agreed. Oasis, WTF are you on about? Don't you think you've p!ssed enough people off already?

Scared of putting in hard graft? Are you on about the same guy who pretty much won us the CL & FA Cup single-handedly?

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ConnO'var wrote:

Espionage wrote:

ConnO'var wrote:

Espionage wrote:

ConnO'var wrote:

Espionage wrote:

Ciggy wrote:Listen mate Rafa is to blame he continues to rotate, no palyer knows where the other one is,.
This rotation has got to stop, no one else does it.
Whys should we?
Gerrard will leave next season I am 99% sure of it.
He is not a winger, he is getting played out of postion on a weekly basis because he is so flexable, and if he does leave because of this reason.
I will not forgive Benitez, no matter how many tropheys we win.
Cause lets face it this title is over AGAIN.

And leave Momo on the bench.... I think not.

2 Changes..... How is that over-tinkering?
Its the fault of the players this time, Rafa played this one right.  I wouldnt have changed anything.....

Mate.... I disagree..... Rafa has to take some of the blame yet again.... Gerrard on the left? You have to be kidding me!

THE best Central Midfielder in the world IMO and we have him out on the left when he's right footed? You have to be kidding me..... Sometimes I wished he wasn't so versatile... then Rafa couldn't try to shoehorn him willy nilly into the midfield wherever it suits him....

Ciggy's right.... we may loose him in the long run if we don't get him back into the centre of the park...

C'mon Rafa.... either drop Momo (bad idea IMO) or change the system and play with 3 across the centre in a 5-3-2 or something similar.

Pennant was poor today.... passing and crossing were terrible and he seemed desperately afraid to take on Cashley Cole.....

4 points from 4 matches.... terribly disappointing.... Is it ok to feel bad that we'd dropped 2 points against relegation fodder like Sheffield United now?

v Sheffield ~ Lucky to get a draw via a generous penalty
v West Ham ~ Deserved to win and did but did not play well
v Everton ~ Played like and got our bottoms spanked
v Chelsea ~ Competitive but lacked attacking ideas and impetus... too predictable and Chelsea held on easily even with 10 men.

v PSV ~ too defensive minded and should have won but didn't

Tactically, I'm starting to question the gaffer's ability.... All this bleeding rotation and apparent tactical naivety is worrying me....

Already in 2 major finals, we fell behind partly due to his tactics.... was it really his tactical nous that got us back on track in Istanbul and v West Ham or did we just get lucky and rode on the back of Stevie's passion for the club?

I'm not so sure now.....

Hell, it could be that I'm a little drunk right now and need someone to blame... plus feeling a little melancholy.... not thinking straight.... I'll sleep this off and see what I think tommorow....

 

Tell me a one midfield 4 that would not be 'controvertial' and have half the people on this forum asking for his head.

I bet that no one can.

Mate.. with the players we have right now and Rafa's insistence on playing Momo, Stevie AND Xabi, any midfield 4 I suggest would be controversial.....

What I was saying is that if he does insist on playing ALL 3, he needs to change the midfield formation..... 5 across with 2 wingers or 3 across with 2 wingbacks......

No point shoving Stevie around as he is our best central midfielder IMO..

Name the formation.  I am curious.....

Sorry the personel 

0ne of two formations...

1. Against the stronger teams, I'd go for

Finnan                                   Aurelio
             Gerrard Xabi Momo


&

2. Against the weaker teams, I'd have

                         Xabi
Pennant    Gerrard      Momo      Gonzalez

In both formations, Riise would fit in quite nicely on the left once he's recovered...

Opinion?

I like this formation, but I think that the holding midfielder is redundant with there being 3 central midfielders.  We DID have a very good back 4, and it seems silly to try and change our system all togeather.  Also we have Gonzalez, Pennant and hopefully Kewell coming back who are all out-and-out wingers and would have no place in this system really.  Rafa says that we need people to get to the by-line, but this system doesnt really allow that all really.

Momo and Alonso make a great central midfield pairing in 4-4-2. Why change it?

EddieC wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

Oasis wrote:What an over reaction, Gerrard will leave next season. So what if he does? People come and go, the club still remains. If he's scared of putting in hard graft to earn trophies then he shouldn't be playing for us, it's a simple as that.

JUST OFF

Totally agreed. Oasis, WTF are you on about? Don't you think you've p!ssed enough people off already?

Scared of putting in hard graft? Are you on about the same guy who pretty much won us the CL & FA Cup single-handedly?

peewee wrote:todays performance was ok although we couldnt score against 10 men. the problem is today became a 'must win' game because of the poor performances prior to today, and those poor performances have been caused by instability in the team.

were are the people now who were saying the sheffield result didnt matter as its only the first game

Couldn't have put it better myself..... If we had won against eversh1t and SU...this result wouldn't have been so bad. I actually thought we played pretty good and just lost to a wonder goal by drogba.

Just wanting for someone to say...yeah its only 4 games into the season and chelsea and manure will drop loads of points this season.... 

ConnO'var wrote:

Espionage wrote:

ConnO'var wrote:

Espionage wrote:

ConnO'var wrote:

Espionage wrote:

ConnO'var wrote:

Espionage wrote:

Ciggy wrote:Listen mate Rafa is to blame he continues to rotate, no palyer knows where the other one is,.
This rotation has got to stop, no one else does it.
Whys should we?
Gerrard will leave next season I am 99% sure of it.
He is not a winger, he is getting played out of postion on a weekly basis because he is so flexable, and if he does leave because of this reason.
I will not forgive Benitez, no matter how many tropheys we win.
Cause lets face it this title is over AGAIN.

And leave Momo on the bench.... I think not.

2 Changes..... How is that over-tinkering?
Its the fault of the players this time, Rafa played this one right.  I wouldnt have changed anything.....

Mate.... I disagree..... Rafa has to take some of the blame yet again.... Gerrard on the left? You have to be kidding me!

THE best Central Midfielder in the world IMO and we have him out on the left when he's right footed? You have to be kidding me..... Sometimes I wished he wasn't so versatile... then Rafa couldn't try to shoehorn him willy nilly into the midfield wherever it suits him....

Ciggy's right.... we may loose him in the long run if we don't get him back into the centre of the park...

C'mon Rafa.... either drop Momo (bad idea IMO) or change the system and play with 3 across the centre in a 5-3-2 or something similar.

Pennant was poor today.... passing and crossing were terrible and he seemed desperately afraid to take on Cashley Cole.....

4 points from 4 matches.... terribly disappointing.... Is it ok to feel bad that we'd dropped 2 points against relegation fodder like Sheffield United now?

v Sheffield ~ Lucky to get a draw via a generous penalty
v West Ham ~ Deserved to win and did but did not play well
v Everton ~ Played like and got our bottoms spanked
v Chelsea ~ Competitive but lacked attacking ideas and impetus... too predictable and Chelsea held on easily even with 10 men.

v PSV ~ too defensive minded and should have won but didn't

Tactically, I'm starting to question the gaffer's ability.... All this bleeding rotation and apparent tactical naivety is worrying me....

Already in 2 major finals, we fell behind partly due to his tactics.... was it really his tactical nous that got us back on track in Istanbul and v West Ham or did we just get lucky and rode on the back of Stevie's passion for the club?

I'm not so sure now.....

Hell, it could be that I'm a little drunk right now and need someone to blame... plus feeling a little melancholy.... not thinking straight.... I'll sleep this off and see what I think tommorow....

 

Tell me a one midfield 4 that would not be 'controvertial' and have half the people on this forum asking for his head.

I bet that no one can.

Mate.. with the players we have right now and Rafa's insistence on playing Momo, Stevie AND Xabi, any midfield 4 I suggest would be controversial.....

What I was saying is that if he does insist on playing ALL 3, he needs to change the midfield formation..... 5 across with 2 wingers or 3 across with 2 wingbacks......

No point shoving Stevie around as he is our best central midfielder IMO..

Name the formation.  I am curious.....

Sorry the personel 

0ne of two formations...

1. Against the stronger teams, I'd go for

Finnan                                   Aurelio
             Gerrard Xabi Momo


&

2. Against the weaker teams, I'd have

                         Xabi
Pennant    Gerrard      Momo      Gonzalez

In both formations, Riise would fit in quite nicely on the left once he's recovered...

Opinion?

I like this formation, but I think that the holding midfielder is redundant with there being 3 central midfielders.  We DID have a very good back 4, and it seems silly to try and change our system all togeather.  Also we have Gonzalez, Pennant and hopefully Kewell coming back who are all out-and-out wingers and would have no place in this system really.  Rafa says that we need people to get to the by-line, but this system doesnt really allow that all really.

Momo and Alonso make a great central midfield pairing in 4-4-2. Why change it?

I hear what you're saying and to some extend I agree with the back four...

It's just that I've been saying for sometime now that the biggest problem Rafa has IMO is how to incorporate 3 central midfielders into a straight 4 midfield without having to make some compromises.

If he persists in using the 3 and using them well, then the system has to change.... I just can't fathom having Stevie out on the wing.... even when we were doing well last year, I thought that we would be a much better team with him in the center of the park.

Plus, it would help resolve the central defensive formation as well....
As Lando put it in a different thread, we'd have the aerial prowess of Sammi, the composure on the ball of Agger and the sheer grit of Carra...

Espionage wrote:

ConnO'var wrote:

Espionage wrote:

ConnO'var wrote:

Espionage wrote:

ConnO'var wrote:

Espionage wrote:

ConnO'var wrote:

Espionage wrote:

Ciggy wrote:Listen mate Rafa is to blame he continues to rotate, no palyer knows where the other one is,.
This rotation has got to stop, no one else does it.
Whys should we?
Gerrard will leave next season I am 99% sure of it.
He is not a winger, he is getting played out of postion on a weekly basis because he is so flexable, and if he does leave because of this reason.
I will not forgive Benitez, no matter how many tropheys we win.
Cause lets face it this title is over AGAIN.

And leave Momo on the bench.... I think not.

2 Changes..... How is that over-tinkering?
Its the fault of the players this time, Rafa played this one right.  I wouldnt have changed anything.....

Mate.... I disagree..... Rafa has to take some of the blame yet again.... Gerrard on the left? You have to be kidding me!

THE best Central Midfielder in the world IMO and we have him out on the left when he's right footed? You have to be kidding me..... Sometimes I wished he wasn't so versatile... then Rafa couldn't try to shoehorn him willy nilly into the midfield wherever it suits him....

Ciggy's right.... we may loose him in the long run if we don't get him back into the centre of the park...

C'mon Rafa.... either drop Momo (bad idea IMO) or change the system and play with 3 across the centre in a 5-3-2 or something similar.

Pennant was poor today.... passing and crossing were terrible and he seemed desperately afraid to take on Cashley Cole.....

4 points from 4 matches.... terribly disappointing.... Is it ok to feel bad that we'd dropped 2 points against relegation fodder like Sheffield United now?

v Sheffield ~ Lucky to get a draw via a generous penalty
v West Ham ~ Deserved to win and did but did not play well
v Everton ~ Played like and got our bottoms spanked
v Chelsea ~ Competitive but lacked attacking ideas and impetus... too predictable and Chelsea held on easily even with 10 men.

v PSV ~ too defensive minded and should have won but didn't

Tactically, I'm starting to question the gaffer's ability.... All this bleeding rotation and apparent tactical naivety is worrying me....

Already in 2 major finals, we fell behind partly due to his tactics.... was it really his tactical nous that got us back on track in Istanbul and v West Ham or did we just get lucky and rode on the back of Stevie's passion for the club?

I'm not so sure now.....

Hell, it could be that I'm a little drunk right now and need someone to blame... plus feeling a little melancholy.... not thinking straight.... I'll sleep this off and see what I think tommorow....

 

Tell me a one midfield 4 that would not be 'controvertial' and have half the people on this forum asking for his head.

I bet that no one can.

Mate.. with the players we have right now and Rafa's insistence on playing Momo, Stevie AND Xabi, any midfield 4 I suggest would be controversial.....

What I was saying is that if he does insist on playing ALL 3, he needs to change the midfield formation..... 5 across with 2 wingers or 3 across with 2 wingbacks......

No point shoving Stevie around as he is our best central midfielder IMO..

Name the formation.  I am curious.....

Sorry the personel 

0ne of two formations...

1. Against the stronger teams, I'd go for

Finnan                                   Aurelio
             Gerrard Xabi Momo


&

2. Against the weaker teams, I'd have

                         Xabi
Pennant    Gerrard      Momo      Gonzalez

In both formations, Riise would fit in quite nicely on the left once he's recovered...

Opinion?

I like this formation, but I think that the holding midfielder is redundant with there being 3 central midfielders.  We DID have a very good back 4, and it seems silly to try and change our system all togeather.  Also we have Gonzalez, Pennant and hopefully Kewell coming back who are all out-and-out wingers and would have no place in this system really.  Rafa says that we need people to get to the by-line, but this system doesnt really allow that all really.

Momo and Alonso make a great central midfield pairing in 4-4-2. Why change it?

I hear what you're saying and to some extend I agree with the back four...

It's just that I've been saying for sometime now that the biggest problem Rafa has IMO is how to incorporate 3 central midfielders into a straight 4 midfield without having to make some compromises.

If he persists in using the 3 and using them well, then the system has to change.... I just can't fathom having Stevie out on the wing.... even when we were doing well last year, I thought that we would be a much better team with him in the center of the park.

Plus, it would help resolve the central defensive formation as well....
As Lando put it in a different thread, we'd have the aerial prowess of Sammi, the composure on the ball of Agger and the sheer grit of Carra...

When we got Agger, Gonzalez (who seems like he could be a wingback), didnt have Pennant and were still in for Alves I thought that 5-3-2 would have been a good idea.  But not now, we just dont have the personel to pull it off. 

It would also provide more fuel for the "too much tinkering" fire!

Good point...... What I wouldn't give for Alves and Zambrotta right now...

What the hell do I know? Trying to look at this from both angles is doing me head in..... the Guinness is not helping either! 

All I know is that right now, I'm off and as hell.... I'll sleep this off and see if tomorrow I can be a little more lucid...

Cheers mate... I'm off to hit the hay....

Espionage wrote:

EddieC wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

Oasis wrote:What an over reaction, Gerrard will leave next season. So what if he does? People come and go, the club still remains. If he's scared of putting in hard graft to earn trophies then he shouldn't be playing for us, it's a simple as that.

JUST OFF

Totally agreed. Oasis, WTF are you on about? Don't you think you've p!ssed enough people off already?

Scared of putting in hard graft? Are you on about the same guy who pretty much won us the CL & FA Cup single-handedly?

I think that he was referring to the fact that Ciggy is 90% sure that he will leave Liverpool at the end of the season.  I may be wrong, but i think that he meant that if he was not prepared to accept Rafa not playing him in a central role if he chooses then he has to leave.  No man is bigger then Liverpool.

Dont take his posts out of context, he gets enough bullsh!t from people on here

Espionage wrote:

EddieC wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

Oasis wrote:What an over reaction, Gerrard will leave next season. So what if he does? People come and go, the club still remains. If he's scared of putting in hard graft to earn trophies then he shouldn't be playing for us, it's a simple as that.

JUST OFF

Totally agreed. Oasis, WTF are you on about? Don't you think you've p!ssed enough people off already?

Scared of putting in hard graft? Are you on about the same guy who pretty much won us the CL & FA Cup single-handedly?

I think that he was referring to the fact that Ciggy is 90% sure that he will leave Liverpool at the end of the season.  I may be wrong, but i think that he meant that if he was not prepared to accept Rafa not playing him in a central role if he chooses then he has to leave.  No man is bigger then Liverpool.

Dont take his posts out of context, he gets enough bullsh!t from people on here