Is it time? - Internationals

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Postby Lando_Griffin » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:19 am

In view of the latest f*ck-ups from UEFA, is it about time Rafa put his foot down and told the respective countries FA's to F-off?

I know players want to represent their countries, and it is a great honour to do so, but FFS - LFC is more important than any sh*tty national side.

We pay the wages, we suffer when the players get injured or knackered whilst p*ssing about against some t'uppence ha'penny sh*thole side like f*cking Andorra, or Moldova.

These f*cking 4th-rate countries are never, EVER going to be good enough to compete at any tournament, so why should Crouch, Stevie, JC, Xabi, Reina, Garcia, Agger, Kuyt, Bellamy, Finnan, Sissoko, Gonzalez, Kewell, Warnock, Paletta, Dudek and Riise, etc, have to waste their lives playing the feckers? For our entertainment? - B*llocks.

It's to fill UEFA's f*cking pockets. TV money, gates, f*cking merchandise.

Well if I were Rafa, I'd sit the players down and explain - quite politely - that each and every FA in the World could go and shove a cactus up their a*se, and if any of the players had any complaints, they could play for their country, but by forfeiting their wages for however long they're away/out injured.

Now don't give me any b*llocks about it being immoral, or unfair. Don't chat sh*te about breach of contract, etc - they'd be amended.

My way may not be the nice way, but it'd stop that grinning b*stard McClaren from tiring our players all the f*cking time.
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Postby account deleted by request » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:23 am

Fergie has been doing similar for years at Man U. Giggs has played in about 2 friendles in 10 years.

Playing internationals at the start of a season is IMO crazy. If we have to play internationals, we should have a winter break and play them then.

Any injuries on international duty and the players wages should be paid for by the country and compensation paid to the club. They should have to pay the clubs a fee for the use of players as well. 

I would be quite happy if Gerrard etc all retired from international football and concentrated on Liverpool.
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Postby Mannyk » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:05 am

I think most players love representing their country. However you make good point in saying that if the club stopped paying their wages if they got injured then they would reconsider it.
I would be dissapointed if Kewell didn't make mimself available for Australia and generally he doesn't because he is injured or he won't go and play against the bull sh it nations and I don't put :censored: on him for that.

One easy solution would be for the FA's of respective nations to play second string sides. Why Can't England put on a team comprised of Championship players against you Andorras Maltas Faroe Islands etc? In Australia recently they have been playing players from the current A league  and not relying on overseas players. They did this 2 weeks ago against Kuwait and won the game at home. Then a week later called up 10 overseas players in the squad ,played Kuwait in 40 degree heat and lost .It was fu__ ing pointless.
The answer to your question is not simple because you will always have players wanting to play for their country and wanting to play for a big team.
I wonder who in the liverpool team would choose Country over Club or vice versa?
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Postby The Manhattan Project » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:43 am

I posted this in another forum here on this site, but it's appropriate for this thread so I'll repost it here:

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The inclusion of teams like Andorra is absurd.

They need a new system where the weaker teams have to go through a first qualifying stage BEFORE entering the qualifying stage proper.

Like as follows (This is just an example. These might not necessarily be the teams selected for each group.)

First Qualifying Stage Teams

These teams would be divided into four groups of six. Playing each other twice. Whoever wins the groups goes into the qualifying stage proper.

1- Albania
2- Andorra
3- Armenia
4- Austria
5- Azerbaijan
6- Belarus
7- Scotland
8- Bosnia and Herzegovina
9- Bulgaria
10- Cyprus
11- Estonia
12- Faroe Islands
13- Wales
14- Georgia 
15- Kazakhstan
16- Latvia
17- Liechtenstein
18- Lithuania
19- Luxembourg
20- Macedonia
21- Malta
22- Moldova
23- Northern Ireland
24- San Marino

Second Qualifying Stage Teams

These teams would be divided into eight groups of four. Playing each other twice. The group winners and runners-up go into the EURO finals proper.

1- Croatia
2- Czech Republic
3- Denmark
4- Finland
5- England
6- France
7- Germany
8- Italy
9- Netherlands
10- Portugal
11- Spain
12- Ukraine
13- Sweden
14- Greece
15- Hungary
16- Iceland
17- Eire
18- Israel
19- Norway
20- Poland
21- Romania
22- Russia
23- Serbia
24- Slovakia
25- Slovenia
26- Switzerland
27- Turkey
28- Belgium
29- Qualifying Group A Winner
30- Qualifying Group B Winner
31- Qualifying Group C Winner
32- Qualifying Group D Winner
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Postby Mannyk » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:25 am

I like your model Manahtten. Makes perfect sense
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Postby Mannyk » Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:27 am

Maybe the top 28 in the second phase could be based on some sort of ranking system.
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Postby NiftyNeil » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:07 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:I posted this in another forum here on this site, but it's appropriate for this thread so I'll repost it here:

The Manhattan Plan


The inclusion of teams like Andorra is absurd.

They need a new system where the weaker teams have to go through a first qualifying stage BEFORE entering the qualifying stage proper.

Like as follows (This is just an example. These might not necessarily be the teams selected for each group.)

First Qualifying Stage Teams

These teams would be divided into four groups of six. Playing each other twice. Whoever wins the groups goes into the qualifying stage proper.

1- Albania
2- Andorra
3- Armenia
4- Austria
5- Azerbaijan
6- Belarus
7- Scotland
8- Bosnia and Herzegovina
9- Bulgaria
10- Cyprus
11- Estonia
12- Faroe Islands
13- Wales
14- Georgia 
15- Kazakhstan
16- Latvia
17- Liechtenstein
18- Lithuania
19- Luxembourg
20- Macedonia
21- Malta
22- Moldova
23- Northern Ireland
24- San Marino

Second Qualifying Stage Teams

These teams would be divided into eight groups of four. Playing each other twice. The group winners and runners-up go into the EURO finals proper.

1- Croatia
2- Czech Republic
3- Denmark
4- Finland
5- England
6- France
7- Germany
8- Italy
9- Netherlands
10- Portugal
11- Spain
12- Ukraine
13- Sweden
14- Greece
15- Hungary
16- Iceland
17- Eire
18- Israel
19- Norway
20- Poland
21- Romania
22- Russia
23- Serbia
24- Slovakia
25- Slovenia
26- Switzerland
27- Turkey
28- Belgium
29- Qualifying Group A Winner
30- Qualifying Group B Winner
31- Qualifying Group C Winner
32- Qualifying Group D Winner

That's a good idea, but wouldn't work.
When would the lower class teams play? They would have to play ten games each PRIOR to a 14 month qualifying campaign. It couldn't be done. Imagine if Wales qualified to play with "the big boys"? How many times would we be losing Bellamy for international duty?
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Postby murphy0151 » Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:15 pm

INternational football should be cancelled.  Its :censored:iiing shiiite anyway.

Its not going to happen but never mind.
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:50 pm

ive never loved watching england to be honest, i cant be passionate about some kunt from man u or chelsea, many a time i have stopped watching when there are no liverpool players left on the pitch.

it seems its just liverpool supporters who have this attitude on the whole.

anyway club first, country a very very distant second, and i am a patriot belive it or not, i love the fact i am english, it makes me proud in asia when i say i am from england, the mother country, the language that everyone wants to speak.

but i just cant bring my self to love the international team
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Postby CardinalRed » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:06 pm

Mention was made of the fact that Giggs has only played in a couple of friendlies in his time.... If he'd have woke up and smelled the coffee years ago and chose England over Wales he'd have over 100 caps by now because he'd have played all the time for them... I think it's because Wales are not a powerful Federation that Fergie has stood up to them for so long, he's never done it with players like Scholes, Neville, Ferdinand etc etc... The top and bottom of it is that these players get paid very well nowadays for playing in internationals and they themselves never seem to moan about it... I know we're all still seething over the weekend's result but it didn't seem to affect Man U and Chelski did it...?
Blaming the internationals is just too easy...

                                               
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Postby account deleted by request » Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:52 pm

CardinalRed wrote:Mention was made of the fact that Giggs has only played in a couple of friendlies in his time.... If he'd have woke up and smelled the coffee years ago and chose England over Wales he'd have over 100 caps by now because he'd have played all the time for them... I think it's because Wales are not a powerful Federation that Fergie has stood up to them for so long, he's never done it with players like Scholes, Neville, Ferdinand etc etc... The top and bottom of it is that these players get paid very well nowadays for playing in internationals and they themselves never seem to moan about it... I know we're all still seething over the weekend's result but it didn't seem to affect Man U and Chelski did it...?
Blaming the internationals is just too easy...

                                               
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While I agree with a lot of your post you have to remember that the Mancs didnt have to play 2 qualifyers and a Community shield match. So they had more time to prepare for the start of the season ,vital when players are coming back late after the world cup. Chelsea also didn't have to play qualifiers and have still had a shaky start, and Arsenal have had an even worse start than us.
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Postby J*o*n*D*o*e » Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:13 pm

its simple you just reduce the amount of teams for each tournament.

16 teams for the euro`s and 32 for the world cup, no qualifying games just take the teams from the top of each federations ranking list.

limit the amount of internationals to 5 a year, also grade each team so if you play 5 cr@p teams then you get cr@p points.
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Postby Bad Bob » Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:57 pm

Yes, Lando, it is time.  I'll pull the car round, you grab the rifles and ammo and we'll drive to Belgium--or wherever the feck those UEFA b.astards are cowering--and treat em all to a nice dirt nap.  Problem sorted.   :D
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Postby account deleted by request » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:30 pm

Bad Bob wrote:Yes, Lando, it is time.  I'll pull the car round, you grab the rifles and ammo and we'll drive to Belgium--or wherever the feck those UEFA b.astards are cowering--and treat em all to a nice dirt nap.  Problem sorted.   :D

What happened to Kofi Annan ? More like Al Capone and Machine Gun Kelly arranging a hit  :D
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Postby Bad Bob » Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:34 pm

s@int wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:Yes, Lando, it is time.  I'll pull the car round, you grab the rifles and ammo and we'll drive to Belgium--or wherever the feck those UEFA b.astards are cowering--and treat em all to a nice dirt nap.  Problem sorted.   :D

What happened to Kofi Annan ? More like Al Capone and Machine Gun Kelly arranging a hit  :D

My inner Kofi Annan is swimming with the fishes courtesy of my inner Tony Soprano!  :D
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