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by **Kopite-Jud** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:44 pm

all our games this season we have not reached any where near our full potential the only time i have seen us get any where near our full potential was agenst chelsea , we need to get our act together and at the minuited the defence needs sortin out because goals are leaking through it

by **Kopite-Jud** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:49 pm

we contolled the game for most parts finnan and alonso got man handled like it was wrestling for the first two goals and the last one was in the last few minuites when we knew we where beat i think we had 16 attemps on goal to evertons measly 4 (im not too sure) basic errors coost us dearly on anotherday we could have scored 3 or 4 easily

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:23 am

Right.

I'm just about f*cked off with some of the nobjockies on here slating the team because of one poor result.

Listen here, you fickle b*stards - Reina is the best 'keeper in England. It doesn't matter what you have to say about it - you're wrong. He is the best, and 2 mistakes a season won't change that, you stupid, stupid w*nkers.
WHat exactly did you expect him to do? Carry the ball over the line? Would you have preferred that? WHat would YOU have done? You'd have sh*t your sorry pants and cried like a baby, is what. :angry:

We had 21 shots on goal, the bitter b*stards had, erm...8.

We SHOULD have had at least 1 penalty, and those feckers fouled us 23 times, the dirty b*stards. :angry:

On another day, we'd have battered them.

On another day, you bunch of f*cking fickle ar*eholes would be cheering us like we were the best thing since sliced bread. :no

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:25 am

Dalglish wrote:A typical response by some to a poor result !

You simply can't sack the whole squad based on their presumed lack of passion for the club so lets try and analyse where it went so badly wrong shall we !

Carra made an emotional decision when asked if he was fit cos it was patently obvious he wasn't !!!!! Fowler looks a yard off the pace and did nothing all game. Alonso isn out of form and it showed today !

Rafa has to take some responsibility here. He bought two natural wingers over the summer in Gonnzales and Pennant but started with neither. Pennant had 20 mins when the game was already lost and Gonzales didn't even make the bench ! He also chose to leave out the ideal striker for a difficult away trip in Bellamy who is a downright pest and chases lost causes. I'll bet my mortgage he plays Bellamy on Tuesday when we face a tricky away trip to PSV who like Everton are functional and physical.

Had he started with two NATURAL wingers and left Alonso who is in poor form on the bench then Gerrard and Sissoko in midfield would have been more than enough to cope with the hustle and bustle. Everton are not a good side in terms of ability but they were allowed to look a lot better because LFC didn't pass, dominate midfield or battle with any great conviction.

Despite this we had far the greater chances and a couple of penalty appeals.

I always try to be fair and balanced in my approach whether we win, lose or draw. I suggest some people on here do the same !

Absolutely right, Ian.

They make me f*cking dispair. :no

by **112-1077774096** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:28 am

but lando its not another day and as suporters we have every right to be dissapointed with the performance, it was not good enough, it doesnt matter if we had 300 shots we still didnt score and allowed them to score three times, THREE TIMES mate.

of course we all still love the club but some of us can just say it a it is, and you more than most normally say things 'as it is'.

we just didnt seem up for it toay and allowed ourselves to be hassld of the ball too easily

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:29 am

onizukaeikichi wrote:should reina be dropped? he has done so many mistakes nowadays that i think dudek should be given a chance back.

F*ck off.

Drop Carragher aswell, eh?

You stupid a*se. :no

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:34 am

peewee wrote:but lando its not another day and as suporters we have every right to be dissapointed with the performance, it was not good enough, it doesnt matter if we had 300 shots we still didnt score and allowed them to score three times, THREE TIMES mate.

of course we all still love the club but some of us can just say it a it is, and you more than most normally say things 'as it is'.

we just didnt seem up for it toay and allowed ourselves to be hassld of the ball too easily

That's fine, but when there are gimps saying "Drop Reina", and talkign absolute b*llocks about the team selection (which most people bloody well wanted anyway), then that's when I get p*ssed off.

I am hurt that we lost.

It hurts more to see supposed LFC fans drilling into the players.

Support means just that.

If Reina makes mistakes like that every week, THEN have a go.

Oh, and maybe Carragher should be dropped, too, as HE made as many mistakes as Pepe today. It's b*llocks.

FFS - the guy was being praised as the best 'keeper in the league not too long ago.

Where is the balance?

Nothing personal to you, peewee. Just annoyed.

by **112-1077774096** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:51 am

dont worry mate, i dont take it personally, and i agree that some people go over the top asking for players to be dropped, but at the same time reina was good last season, this season he has made mistakes and deserves to be shook up just as much as any outfield player, he cant be made to think that his place is safe no matter what.

i am also mystified as to why last season rafa talked about width and the need for wingers, and then does not play them. fair enough gonzalez may have been out of his depth yesterday if he played but pennant is used to the premier league and the bustle that can go with it. also alonso needs to spend some time out i think, gerrard back in the middle for the obvious battle that yesterday was going to be. dropping alonso would not be rotation, it would be playing our strongest line up and at the moment alonso is not in that team based on performance.

rotation is a good idea mate but only when its needed, dont do it just to show that you have the squad to do it, dont save players for the next game, the most important game is the game that you have on the day and should ALWAYS play your strongest team and get the points.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:08 am

peewee wrote:dont worry mate, i dont take it personally, and i agree that some people go over the top asking for players to be dropped, but at the same time reina was good last season, this season he has made mistakes and deserves to be shook up just as much as any outfield player, he cant be made to think that his place is safe no matter what.

i am also mystified as to why last season rafa talked about width and the need for wingers, and then does not play them. fair enough gonzalez may have been out of his depth yesterday if he played but pennant is used to the premier league and the bustle that can go with it. also alonso needs to spend some time out i think, gerrard back in the middle for the obvious battle that yesterday was going to be. dropping alonso would not be rotation, it would be playing our strongest line up and at the moment alonso is not in that team based on performance.

rotation is a good idea mate but only when its needed, dont do it just to show that you have the squad to do it, dont save players for the next game, the most important game is the game that you have on the day and should ALWAYS play your strongest team and get the points.

To be fair, though, with the possible exception of Fowler, that WAS our strongest line up.

Alonso didn't play well by his own standards, but the best way for a player to recover form is to play, albeit perhaps not in a derby.

I think there may be more than meets the eye with Pennant. I wonder if he's staying off the sauce.

by **112-1077774096** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:17 am

i dont the sauce is the problem mate, i just dont think rafa can fit him in while he persisits with gerrad, momo and alonso. i think our strongest team at the moment would be minus alonso, and gerrard and momo in the middle with pennant on the right. also we lacked any pace yesterday up front so i agree with you on fowler, as much as i love him, i think i would rather have seen bellamy yesterday.

the last couple of seasons now we havent hit the ground running, i know the league is a marathon but recently its been more of a sprint and we cant afford to drop silly points.

the players dont seem confident in their own ability at the moment, yesterday i saw too many balls played long straight to a blue shirt, i saw too many blue shirts get to the ball first, i saw too many blue shirts harrying red shirts but not the other way round.

this has happen before and it was only when rafa started putting out a regular line up that we gelled and started to play football. stop the uneccesary rotation rafa and use the squad when you have to

by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:27 am

peewee wrote:i dont the sauce is the problem mate, i just dont think rafa can fit him in while he persisits with gerrad, momo and alonso. i think our strongest team at the moment would be minus alonso, and gerrard and momo in the middle with pennant on the right. also we lacked any pace yesterday up front so i agree with you on fowler, as much as i love him, i think i would rather have seen bellamy yesterday.

the last couple of seasons now we havent hit the ground running, i know the league is a marathon but recently its been more of a sprint and we cant afford to drop silly points.

the players dont seem confident in their own ability at the moment, yesterday i saw too many balls played long straight to a blue shirt, i saw too many blue shirts get to the ball first, i saw too many blue shirts harrying red shirts but not the other way round.

this has happen before and it was only when rafa started putting out a regular line up that we gelled and started to play football. stop the uneccesary rotation rafa and use the squad when you have to

Some good points there, mate.

I think the thing we also have to remember is that virtually our entire squad were away on International duty over the previous week, and a lot didn't get chance to train with Rafa at all.

Things like that don't affect the bitters.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:40 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
peewee wrote:dont worry mate, i dont take it personally, and i agree that some people go over the top asking for players to be dropped, but at the same time reina was good last season, this season he has made mistakes and deserves to be shook up just as much as any outfield player, he cant be made to think that his place is safe no matter what.

i am also mystified as to why last season rafa talked about width and the need for wingers, and then does not play them. fair enough gonzalez may have been out of his depth yesterday if he played but pennant is used to the premier league and the bustle that can go with it. also alonso needs to spend some time out i think, gerrard back in the middle for the obvious battle that yesterday was going to be. dropping alonso would not be rotation, it would be playing our strongest line up and at the moment alonso is not in that team based on performance.

rotation is a good idea mate but only when its needed, dont do it just to show that you have the squad to do it, dont save players for the next game, the most important game is the game that you have on the day and should ALWAYS play your strongest team and get the points.

To be fair, though, with the possible exception of Fowler, that WAS our strongest line up.

Alonso didn't play well by his own standards, but the best way for a player to recover form is to play, albeit perhaps not in a derby.

I think there may be more than meets the eye with Pennant. I wonder if he's staying off the sauce.

When I saw the team before the match, (without the benefit of hindsight) I was delighted that Rafa had gone with such a strong team.

Fowler was a natural selection for this game (scouser, not played midweek) Carragher back ,Sissoko back. My only query would have been Garcia ,but as he has proved countless times he is a big game player so I was happy.

Anytime you lose you can always pick a better team AFTER the game, when you have such a strong squad as we have.

I still feel like sh!t but hopefully things can only get better.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:44 am

peewee wrote:i dont the sauce is the problem mate, i just dont think rafa can fit him in while he persisits with gerrad, momo and alonso. i think our strongest team at the moment would be minus alonso, and gerrard and momo in the middle with pennant on the right. also we lacked any pace yesterday up front so i agree with you on fowler, as much as i love him, i think i would rather have seen bellamy yesterday.

the last couple of seasons now we havent hit the ground running, i know the league is a marathon but recently its been more of a sprint and we cant afford to drop silly points.

the players dont seem confident in their own ability at the moment, yesterday i saw too many balls played long straight to a blue shirt, i saw too many blue shirts get to the ball first, i saw too many blue shirts harrying red shirts but not the other way round.

this has happen before and it was only when rafa started putting out a regular line up that we gelled and started to play football. stop the uneccesary rotation rafa and use the squad when you have to

I read somewhere today that Rafa had a big bustup with Bellamy about him playing for Wales against Brazil midweek. Probably the usually load of b*llocks, but may be a possible reason?

by **Bad Bob** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:45 am

Kuyt wrote:it is slapping you in the face the best 11.

If it aint broke , don't fix it.

The best 11 is slapping me in the face? Name it.

Name it following another ridiculous international break where 9/10ths of our squad are flying halfway around Europe and only returning 2 days before their next match.

Name it when that game is a derby which everyone recognizes is not just any old game. There's a reason to put players like Fowler on the field for a derby. He might not get on the teamsheet if it was just any old game but because it's Everton, he makes sense. Same goes for Carragher, who never would have played if it wasn't Everton.

Name it when we've got a bunch of new players in the squad who have barely played together and who have never had a taste of a Merseyside derby. Who out of the newbies are the obvious choice to play and who might just brick it and therefore need to sit this one out.

As for "if it ain't broke don't fix it," just what does that mean? It's not as though we've had a run of games, with a settled team that is racking up the results like a well oiled machine and Rafa just came along and tinkered for no reason. This is our third game of the season--a season that has been interrupted by international friendlies, CL qualifiers and now international qualifiers. It can't be considered "tinkering" if the machine ain't even been built yet!

IMO, when you look at the circumstances it is bloody hard to name a starting 11 for this match and Rafa's choices made sense given the context. Was it perfect? No but hindsight's always 20/20. If we'd gotten beat with Agger and Bellamy on the pitch instead of the local lads, everyone would be on here questioning why Rafa didn't play Fowler and Carragher.

The reason we lost is that our defense has become bizarrely pourous, shipping two ridiculous goals which allowed the bitters to park 10 men behind the ball for almost 60 minutes of the game and soak up what sporadic pressure the lads could muster. Our usually stalwart defenders, not Rafa, should be holding the bag for those goals and, ultimately, the loss.

by **Bretc** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:19 am

Our defence was pathetic and very schoolboyish. Something must be wrong somewhere cos even Carra looked shaky. I guess its' time to play Agger or Paletta ahead of Hyypia. As much as I respect Hyypia for his contributions to us all these years, one must admit that he's too slow and for the sake of Liverpool, Rafa must make the hard decision to replace him.

It makes me wonder if Paco Herrera's departure has got anything to do with our current disappointing form. Anyway, it's time to whip the defence into shape asap! :angry:

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