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Postby bigmick » Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:14 pm

Firstly apologies all for starting a new thread for this but it seems to have become the custon over the last couple of years and the people who used to start them are no longer around.

Reina- I'm still unconcerned despite his calamitous error at the end. The game was over. TBH I was more bothered by him getting beat near post for the second. I would've hoped he'd have made Johnson shoot accross him. 5.5/10

Aurelio- Maybe I'm one eyed but I thought he did OK. The free kick was in if it was on target and I didn't think he was personally at fault for either of the goals. Hit Fowler with a quality pass from the back in the first half.  He did on a couple of occasions attempt impossible long-range shots and volleys where a little more compusure would have been better employed. 6.5/10

Hyypia- No need to knee-jerk as we already knew that Sami was slow. I'm more liable to criticize his positioning because he got it wrong twice on Johnson today. First time he blocked him off and got away with it, second time he tried to block him off and failed. At fault for both of the first two goals and overall not one of his better games. 5/10

Carragher-Probably shouldn't have played. Dropped in it by his central defensive partner for both the first two goals, he would normally have dealt with both situations but alas, not today. It hurts me to give him a 6/10

Finnan- seemed to become unsettled by Evertons physical approach. I thought he could have been stronger for the first goal but was unlucky not to be given the foul. Unlucky with his shot in the second half. 6.5/10

Gerrard-Poor by his standards but still our best player by a mile. On a different day would have scored at least once and looked like the defeat hurt him more than most. 7.5/10

Alonso- I thought Xabi was nowhere near his best today. As a team we never dealt with their numerical superiority in the centre of the park and whats more Xabi's normally exceptional passing radar was off aswell today. 6/10

Sissoko- Did better in the second half but seems to suffer when Alonso is not at the races. Was not able to impose himself as we know he can. 7/10

Garcia- Very poor and ineffective today I thought. Minimal moments of inspiration and influence, I was very surprised to see him start the game given his recent form. He needs to improve and quickly if he is to feature much this season. 5/10

Crouch-A long way from his best today and looked very jaded. My suspicion is that Crouch and Fowler would probably have been the partnership which everton would most like to play against and for that reason, I wouldn't have gone with it. 6/10

Fowler-Provided more of a threat than Crouch and at times his movement was brilliant. Unfortunately these days he is a player who needs the team to play well around him to have any real influence and obviously today that wasn't the case. 6.5/10

Subs- the only one on long enough to give a mark to was Kuyt and I thought he did really well and contuinues to look a good buy 7/10.


Just a couple of thoughts. Firstly I didn't think we played that bad but didn't get a single break today. Unfortunately, the nature of derbies is that they are very competitive and therefore you are going to lose one occasionally. As an aside, I wonder if the various people on here who screamed about people such as me overreacting to the Sheffield United result are still of the same opinion.       :shifty
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Postby Ciggy » Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:19 pm

Havent read you post Mick I will later, but I am just so p1ssed off at the moment.
I have hardly slept all week had about 4 hours sleep last night, got no nails, got no hair, spoiled my own weekend on 120 quid a week when that lot who earn up to 100 thousand a week couldnt put the effort in.
Im sorry I am just so so p1ssed off.
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Postby bigmick » Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:20 pm

Back on the question of Five in the middle, it is my opinion that the best way to combat it is to drop one of your strikers permanently into the hole behind them.
This causes the 4-4-1-2 to become a 4-1-4-1 and the front man becomes isolated. To make this happen I would like to have seen Robbie drop in and suck Carsley out of his position of a central two. Everton seemed to settle on a policy of Phil Neville closing down Alonso whenever we had the ball so you wouldn't allow Cahill to sit sio high up and get clost to Johnson. It's a bit of a techie point but that's how I'd do it anyway.
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Postby bigmick » Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:22 pm

Ciggy wrote:Havent read you post Mick I will later, but I am just so p1ssed off at the moment.
I have hardly slept all week had about 4 hours sleep last night, got no nails, got no hair, spoiled my own weekend on 120 quid a week when that lot who earn up to 100 thousand a week couldnt put the effort in.
Im sorry I am just so so p1ssed off.

Lynds I read some of the bile which was posted up as examples of some Evertonian behaviour and don't envy you having to put up with that sh!te for the next few weeks. Under these circumstances, my own opinion is that drinking to the point of oblivious indifference is normally the best course of action.
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Postby Lionheart » Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:29 pm

Reina - 5/10 Substandard display. Dudek must be close to getting a run.
Carragher - 5/10 Not match fit, shouldn't have started
Finnan - 6.5/10 Tried hard
Hyypia - 6/10 Was better going forward than defending today
Aurelio - 6/10 A midfielder NOT a defender
Sissoko - 7.5/10 Hard at the ball all game.
Garcia - 5/10 Passenger
Alonso - 5.5/10 Meer shadow of the 2005 player thus far
Gerrard - 7/10 Not his best
Fowler - 5.5/10 Not at the standard we have come to expect.
Crouch - 7/10 Some nice passages of play. Improving
Kuyt - 7.5/10 Should have started
Pennent - 6/10 Needs more time on the park. Should have started too.
Riise - Why would you even put him on the park (at this stage)...three players fresh from injury, in the one team, starting in a derby? Hindsight, what a wonderful thing!!
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Postby stmichael » Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:40 pm

kuyt HAS to start on tuesday against PSV.
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Postby account deleted by request » Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:43 pm

I just feel physicaly sick. Wrong team ,wrong match ,wrong fkn day. Only player who played well was Gerrard - Kuyt showed why he should have been on from the start. Too many errors by too many players. Im off to bed , hopefully this is just a nightmare.
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Postby JC_81 » Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:47 pm

We were poor today, wouldn't give any of our boys over 7/10.  Gerrard was our best player but as Mick says nowhere near his own best, while Alonso, Carra and Hyypia - 3 of our most consistent players - were all a yard off the pace today.

That said, Everton weren't great either and if it hadn't been for the worst refereeing performance of the season so far, we'd probably have drawn today at least.

Osman clearly pushed Finnan to the ground to allow Johnson to score their first, while Cahill's assault on Alonso was inexplicably missed and allowed Everton to carry on up the field and score their second.  Fowler may hjave had a pen when Yobo clipped him early in the first half, while Yobo's shirt-pull on Hyypia at the corner and Hibbert's hand-ball on the line were both clear penalties.

When you consider that ALL FIVE crucial decisions in the game went against us, is it any surprise we lost??  You just get games like this from time to time.  Riise getting injured after we'd made 3 subs and then Reina's freak mistake for the 3rd goal sums up our day.

I'm fu.cked off, don't get me wrong, but I'd be a lot more worried if we'd have lost to that lot fairly.  They had all the breaks and they know it, fu.ck it I'm off to get drunk.
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Postby Graeme Noble » Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:21 pm

It should have been Kuyt and Bellamy in from the start, then we might have won the game.
Also, I think that either Sissoko or Alonso needs to be dropped, Gerrard should play central midfield, start playing Pennant otherwise that was a waste of £7mil.
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:23 pm

bigmick wrote:This causes the 4-4-1-2 to become a 4-1-4-1

mick, pm me your address and i will send you a calculator for xmas


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Postby Mikz » Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:41 pm

They let us down big time.  Dreadful performance and as someone said earlier, Everton just wanted it more. Im looking from afar and Im really disappointed- so how must our scousers feel who live and breathe this club? My heart goes out til yas all this day
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Postby bigmick » Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:47 pm

peewee wrote:
bigmick wrote:This causes the 4-4-1-2 to become a 4-1-4-1

mick, pm me your address and i will send you a calculator for xmas


:D

Feck me you're right lol. What I'm saying is in essense that if Fowler drops in and plays in the hole then they've immediately got to take a player off  :D  :laugh:
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:50 pm

bigmick wrote:
peewee wrote:
bigmick wrote:This causes the 4-4-1-2 to become a 4-1-4-1

mick, pm me your address and i will send you a calculator for xmas


:D

Feck me you're right lol. What I'm saying is in essense that if Fowler drops in and plays in the hole then they've immediately got to take a player off  :D  :laugh:

i thought you had stumbled on a cunning plan to help us win games, 11 outfield players and a keeper



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Postby 66-1120597113 » Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:22 pm

bigmick wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Havent read you post Mick I will later, but I am just so p1ssed off at the moment.
I have hardly slept all week had about 4 hours sleep last night, got no nails, got no hair, spoiled my own weekend on 120 quid a week when that lot who earn up to 100 thousand a week couldnt put the effort in.
Im sorry I am just so so p1ssed off.

Lynds I read some of the bile which was posted up as examples of some Evertonian behaviour and don't envy you having to put up with that sh!te for the next few weeks. Under these circumstances, my own opinion is that drinking to the point of oblivious indifference is normally the best course of action.

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Postby stew_the_red » Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:49 pm

Never in a million years should Garcia be playing in the wide areas in a game like this, that was a massive blunder by Rafa.

I don’t care what people say, Hyypia did the right thing in blocking Johnson’s way, Carragher should have dealt with it.

Crouch and Fowler were ineffective, especially Crouch. Aurelio was O.K, but the defence just didn’t look in sync today, but I’m not worried at all.

Bad play at the back and bad luck up front meant a freak result, don’t get me wrong, Everton played well, but we should have at least had 2 goals today, just one of those days.
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